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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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TheWasTheJoke

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neurosisxeno said:
I don't understand the hate for Pelosi. She's a boss. I guess that's why Republicans target her. Definitely a move straight out of the Karl Rove playbook. Attack the strongest link.
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Her intransigence over single-payer is incredibly frustrating, plus her "were capitalist" answer is pretty off-putting and she could have at least admitted the current framework is not working for many and reforms within the system are necessary. No one can win by championing the status quo.

That's just recently. Generally she doesn't seem terrible though.
 
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neurosisxeno

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TheWasTheJoke said:
Her intransigence over single-payer is incredibly frustrating, plus her "were capitalist" answer is pretty off-putting and she could have at least admitted the current framework is not working for many and reforms within the system are necessary. No one can win by championing the status quo.

That's just recently. Generally she doesn't seem terrible though.
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She got a draft of the ACA through the House that included Single Payer. In 2009. That's pretty impressive. The Capitalism comment isn't wrong, it's just not what trendy millennials who started paying attention to politics when Bernie showed up want to hear.
 
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TheWasTheJoke

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neurosisxeno said:
She got a draft of the ACA through the House that included Single Payer. In 2009. That's pretty impressive. The Capitalism comment isn't wrong, it's just not what trendy millennials who started paying attention to politics when Bernie showed up want to hear.
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It's absolutely wrong. Both normatively and pragmatically. You know the shtick, real wages haven't risen in aeons, inequality is rising, the poor are being shafted. Moreover, even if it isn't true you still need a cogent economic message, Trump had his, Democrats need one too and there's none better than going after the undeserving rich.

Also infantilize young people as much as you like, not going to change the fact they are massive, active and ever growing group who might have actually felts some hope that a candidate could offer them a world where they didn't have to work their ass off to play loans while their homes become gradually inundated under waves.

The sort of elitism you display is really inimical to your case
 
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eBay Huckster

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Ernest said:
No it's not. We've been here before and saying this about so many things for a year now, and nothing's fucking happened. Trump has been made responsible for fucking zero of his crap so far, that is, except for being elected and getting away with all his bullshit even more due to being president. I'd love nothing more than to be wrong, but this will be more of that. This isn't a movie where the bad guys get their comeuppance. It's real life where they fucking get away with it, and us regular folk end up eating shit.
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For approximately the millionth time: we are less than a year into a scandal described as very similar to Watergate, which took two years to fully hit the fan.
 
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Sen. Angus King tells Morning Joe the Senate Intel investigation into Russia/Trump could take 6-8 months, reasonably.
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He also mentioned infiltration of state voting systems.
 
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Cesare Borgia

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Aaron Strife said:
Yeah, I don't think anyone should expect a bomb to drop like, tomorrow. But this demonstrates why it's so crucial to win big in 2018 - I won't expect the GOP to dislodge Trump even if footage came out of him fucking Paul Ryan's wife. They're terrified of what their base would do to them. Remember that it was the far right Freedom Caucus that sunk that abomination of a healthcare bill, the "moderates" were willing to go full steam ahead with it.

Get a Democratic majority so that when this shit blows open, we're ready to impeach the orange fucker.
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That's not true, they lost multiple moderates in the House but the focus was entirely on the FC. The bill wasn't going to pass, one way or another. And if a revised bill caters to either side, the other will reject it.
 
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Vixdean

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Do other news stations do these broadcasts from near the Capitol Hill SCIF that looks like blurry 90s internet porn or only MSNBC? Why bother, what difference does it make if you're standing close to the door or not?
 
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dramatis

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They got to make cuts somewhere. Somebody's going to get cut, somebody's going to bleed a little bit. That's just a fact of life, but to get things back into balance.
Strong City is a former railroad town of about 460 people, less than half the size it was in 1890. Trump's proposed budget aims at killing the program that threw a lifeline to the town's water system.

Shari DeWitt, the city clerk, says a couple of years ago, even its water treatment plant was dying. DeWitt says the plant was built 40 years ago inside the town's abandoned high school, but the plant kept breaking down.

"Water's very important and a lot of people don't realize it until they don't have it," she says.
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Jim Fink runs the store, and he agrees. Both Fritch and Fink voted for Trump.

"If you ask me would I rather see the money go for our water plant, or to possibly try to control our borders and the security of our nation, the security of our nation is more important to me," Fink says.
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I wonder how well Fink did in biology. You can live with immigrants but you sure as hell can't live without water.
 
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BoogieWoogie

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Man I wish we were seeing Kushner's testimony live.

Does this 35 year old pampered kid really think he can dance around our intelligence community and the Senate?
 
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The Technomancer

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TheWasTheJoke said:
It's absolutely wrong. Both normatively and pragmatically. You know the shtick, real wages haven't risen in aeons, inequality is rising, the poor are being shafted. Moreover, even if it isn't true you still need a cogent economic message, Trump had his, Democrats need one too and there's none better than going after the undeserving rich.

Also infantilize young people as much as you like, not going to change the fact they are massive, active and ever growing group who might have actually felts some hope that a candidate could offer them a world where they didn't have to work their ass off to play loans while their homes become gradually inundated under waves.

The sort of elitism you display is really inimical to your case
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I am a young person and I'll continue to be disdainful of my generation's performative politics until they actually turn out at the ballot box. 2018 is our chance to prove the "active" part of your equation
 
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barber

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The best part is that it reminds me of the report that the leader of the Freedom Caucus likes Trump and was willing to give up until he insulted them, makinig it so that giving up would make them look weak (post last week). Clearly the best of negotiators!
 
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BoogieWoogie

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Trump attacking the Freedom Caucus is also a pretty big tell that they aren't budging for Healthcare despite Ryan trying to restart talks again.

They only have two weeks now for this and Tax Reform to go through. Tick tock.
 
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Holmes

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Cesare Borgia said:
That's not true, they lost multiple moderates in the House but the focus was entirely on the FC. The bill wasn't going to pass, one way or another. And if a revised bill caters to either side, the other will reject it.
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Some moderates were always against it but the floodgates really opened at the end when it seemed like it wasn't going to pass anyway, and the White House kept adding things to woo HFC members.
 
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Armaros

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Holmes said:
Some moderates were always against it but the floodgates really opened at the end when it seemed like it wasn't going to pass anyway, and the White House kept adding things to woo HFC members.
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The flood gates opened when Ryan decided that cutting basic health services was a good way to get the HFC onboard.
 
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balladofwindfishes

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Maybe this whole fever dream will wake people up that maybe being an outsider non-politician isn't really good qualifications to be president.

But I'm not confident Trump will be our last unqualified businessman president.
 
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Blader

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Why are congressmen/women even allowed to group themselves into these named factions in the first place? Once you've started going tribal within your own party, and give those tribes labels that you identify with, you're fucked.
 
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Armaros

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Blader said:
Why are congressmen/women even allowed to group themselves into these named factions in the first place? Once you've started going tribal within your own party, and give those tribes labels that you identify with, you're fucked.
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The whole point of caucuses is to find like minded people and band together to get political concessions. Concessions that then can be used to run for reeelction.

The HFC is just unique as the most conservative group that basically never takes any concessions for votrs. They want to write the legislation or they it's a no vote.
 
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