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[Cesare Borgia]

If @RepMarkMeadows, @Jim_Jordan and @Raul_Labrador would get on board we would have both great healthcare and massive tax cuts & reform.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/847559239149158401

Now he is dropping names.

And he's going to need them for tax reform lol. Amazing.

How does he even negotiate or talk with them after this?

 

[Surfinn]

They voted for this.

Yeah, doesn't make it any less fucked to blame everyone else for your problems though.

I mean I don't really feel bad just pointing that out.

 

[nintendoman58]

What does it take to get rid of the filibuster? Shouldn't that be a whole new area of legislation or something? Also, is the vote for the SCOTUS coming soon? If they filibuster him now, when's the next chance to vote?

Sorry, I live in Canada and I'm not too familiar with this.

Quoting for new page.

 

[BlastProcessing]

And he's going to need them for tax reform lol. Amazing.

How does he even negotiate or talk with them after this?

How close to you think Trump and the Freedom Caucus are to a point of no return here? It feels like we are getting close, fast. A competent Speaker would have shut this shit down by now.

 

[Blader]

What does it take to get rid of the filibuster? Shouldn't that be a whole new area of legislation or something? Also, is the vote for the SCOTUS coming soon? If they filibuster him now, when's the next chance to vote?

Sorry, I live in Canada and I'm not too familiar with this.

It's a rules change that only requires a majority vote in the Senate. Which Republicans, holding 52 seats, have.

How close to you think Trump and the Freedom Caucus are to a point of no return here? It feels like we are getting close, fast. A competent Speaker would have shut this shit down by now.

Tbf to Ryan, no Speaker is going to stop Trump from tweeting out intraparty incendiary bullshit at any given moment.

And with that, I will never speak in Ryan's defense again.

 

[smokeymicpot]

A distraction they want nothing to do with. I'm sure they don't feel like defending themselves from literally being called out by the president of the US to do something (and questioned by the media). Kinda fucked up if you think about it.

But yeah just wildly pointing fingers at everyone else.

Just trying to push the Russia story. He just gave Fox News a talking point for tonight.

Holy shit at the whole Russia thing though. They just had something about it on CNN. Russians literary spammed specific stories thinking and knowing Trump was up at points. Just so he would reference it.

And he's going to need them for tax reform lol. Amazing.

How does he even negotiate or talk with them after this?

No idea but sadly they will.

 

[nintendoman58]

It's a rules change that only requires a majority vote in the Senate. Which Republicans, holding 52 seats, have.

Shit, so when do they plan on doing this, and when is the vote to confirm Gosurch?

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Shit, so when do they plan on doing this, and when is the vote to confirm Gosurch?

Next week I think.

 

[Blader]

Shit, so when do they plan on doing this, and when is the vote to confirm Gosurch?

McConnell wants to confirm Gorsuch by, or on, next Friday. I don't know if the rules change would be done just before or would have to be on a separate day.

 

[pigeon]

They would just do the rules change on the day, probably, although there is some debate over whether McConnell can do the rules change at all since it's not the first day of the session. Also he needs to get 50 votes for the rules change.

 

[nintendoman58]

McConnell was to confirm Gorsuch by, or on, next Friday. I don't know if the rules change would be done just before or would have to be on a separate day.

So wait, if they have the vote to confirm him, and the Dems filibuster it, could they literally just nuke the filibuster days later and have the vote again?

 

[kirblar]

If you don't use the Fillibuster on Gorsuch, the next D nomination will be fillibustered.

If you do use the Fillibuster on Gorsuch, the next D nomination will be fillibustered.

There's only one thing to do here.

 

[Fenderputty]

Shit, so when do they plan on doing this, and when is the vote to confirm Gosurch?

They wanted to confirm Gorsuch before the break. That was supposed to happen after the AHCA and Tax/Budget overhauls. Neither of the first two happened. I don't think anyone is really sure what they're gonna try and do next. People thought the AHCA was dead but they're still fighting over it publicly.

There's debate on if the GOP will actually nuke the filibuster. All this back and forth regarding the topic could just be political poker. Who's bluffing?

 

[BlastProcessing]

It's a rules change that only requires a majority vote in the Senate. Which Republicans, holding 52 seats, have.



Tbf to Ryan, no Speaker is going to stop Trump from tweeting out intraparty incendiary bullshit at any given moment.

And with that, I will never speak in Ryan's defense again.

Ryan rolled over for Trump during the Primary. If he had a backbone and stood for anything, he could have started it there. A competent Speaker would have also been able to see the lay of the land before he tried to ram a divisive bill through Congress. Ryan's complete inability to stand for anything creates a complete inability to hold his party together.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I hear pundits say that Dems shouldn't filibuster Gorsuch because they would lose that power for when Trump picks a real asshole for next judge.

Trump can do that anyway, Mconnell would just change the rules next time and Dems base would still be pissed.

I don't get it.

You have nothing to lose by filibustering Gorsuch

 

[Tranqueris]

If @RepMarkMeadows, @Jim_Jordan and @Raul_Labrador would get on board we would have both great healthcare and massive tax cuts & reform.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/847559239149158401

Now he is dropping names.

Mark Meadows was on his side with the healthcare before he said he was going to go after him..

Trump is horrible at this.

 

[smokeymicpot]

If you don't use the Fillibuster on Gorsuch, the next D nomination will be fillibustered.

If you do use the Fillibuster on Gorsuch, the next D nomination will be fillibustered.

There's only one thing to do here.

I just don't want Trump's lasting mark for years to be a Judge besides the Russia thing.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Mark Meadows was on his side with the healthcare before he said he was going to go after him..

Trump is horrible at this.

lol he's just lumping al the terrible plans together into a thing nobody wants.

 

[Zolo]

Mark Meadows was on his side with the healthcare before he said he was going to go after him..

Trump is horrible at this.

I'm guessing at least most of the HFC members have pretty big egos and a lot of pride?

 

[Zips]

Mark Meadows was on his side with the healthcare before he said he was going to go after him..

Trump is horrible at this.

Trump is familiar with situations where he can order, bully, and intimidate people he wants to have do something. He is just trying to do the same here. Seems like it's all he has up his sleeve, considering how his businesses go to shit.

Good for us, and unfortunately for him, he is now working with people who that doesn't work so well on.

The fact that a group of nutballs so far to the right they are unpalatable to the moderately right is all that is standing between the American people and terrible legislation is pretty scary. It's like the U.S.currently has Mr. Burns's syndrome where he's only alive because all the terrible diseases are jammed up trying to get in at the same time.

 

[smokeymicpot]

This is huge.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-f...-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

As an adviser to Mr. Trump's presidential campaign, and later one of Mr. Trump's top aides in the White House, Mr. Flynn was privy to some of the most sensitive foreign-policy deliberations of the new administration and was directly involved in discussions about the possible lifting of sanctions on Russia imposed by the Obama administration.

He has made the offer to the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees though his lawyer but has so far found no takers, the officials said.

 

[Tranqueris]

This is huge.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-f...-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

Flynn who? Clearly this is a bitter intern that somehow found himself in the administration for a brief time. Come on people.

 

[woodland]

This is huge.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-f...-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

As an adviser to Mr. Trump's presidential campaign, and later one of Mr. Trump's top aides in the White House, Mr. Flynn was privy to some of the most sensitive foreign-policy deliberations of the new administration and was directly involved in discussions about the possible lifting of sanctions on Russia imposed by the Obama administration.

He has made the offer to the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees though his lawyer but has so far found no takers, the officials said.

Just saw that - but the phone banner alert did NOT mention immunity. That is seriously fucking huge.

edit: Found no takers. So either he doesn't have anything worthwhile? Or the FBI/CIA/etc already has all they need from him without his testifying.

 

[sangreal]

This is huge.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-f...-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

As an adviser to Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, and later one of Mr. Trump’s top aides in the White House, Mr. Flynn was privy to some of the most sensitive foreign-policy deliberations of the new administration and was directly involved in discussions about the possible lifting of sanctions on Russia imposed by the Obama administration.

He has made the offer to the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees though his lawyer but has so far found no takers, the officials said.

welp

 

[Dominican Power]

It's happening?

 

[LostMyNarbles]

Hopefully the FBI has a lock on Flynn before he mysteriously commits suicide by shooting himself in the head or falling out a window.

 

[smokeymicpot]

It's happening?

Not yet but getting closer to finding the fire.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

OK, *now* I'm getting in the happening bunker.

 

[Zips]

I imagine nobody will want to grant immunity, but it is good that some of the scum involved in all this seem terrified of prison.

 

[platypotamus]

I imagine nobody will want to grant immunity, but it is good that some of the scum involved in all this seem terrified of prison.

Yeah I hope the counter offer is just "how about no death penalty for treason, life in prison instead"

 

[Veritigo_X]

OK, *now* I'm getting in the happening bunker.

I'm not quite ready to get in yet, but I'm going to check over my supplies to make sure everything is ready.

 

[smokeymicpot]

I imagine nobody will want to grant immunity, but it is good that some of the scum involved in all this seem terrified of prison.

I know jack shit about their process but wouldn't they wait to see if Page, Stone, or Manafort to see if they will use the same offer.

 

[sc0la]

This is huge.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-f...-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

As an adviser to Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, and later one of Mr. Trump’s top aides in the White House, Mr. Flynn was privy to some of the most sensitive foreign-policy deliberations of the new administration and was directly involved in discussions about the possible lifting of sanctions on Russia imposed by the Obama administration.

He has made the offer to the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees though his lawyer but has so far found no takers, the officials said.

 

[BlastProcessing]

This is huge.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-f...-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

As an adviser to Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, and later one of Mr. Trump’s top aides in the White House, Mr. Flynn was privy to some of the most sensitive foreign-policy deliberations of the new administration and was directly involved in discussions about the possible lifting of sanctions on Russia imposed by the Obama administration.

He has made the offer to the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees though his lawyer but has so far found no takers, the officials said.

I hope the FBI's counter offer was "You'll get a cell with a window"

 

[Plinko]

That's one flip. More will probably follow.

 

[smokeymicpot]

That's one flip. More will probably follow.

Yup. Carter Page or Manafort will be the jackpot.

 

[Zereta]

Willing to testify is one thing. Asking for immunity?


itshappening.gif?

 

[Zips]

That's one flip. More will probably follow.

I am excited to see the weak links get increasingly nervous and start making deals of their own as those with dirt on them start flipping.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

This is huge.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-f...-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

As an adviser to Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, and later one of Mr. Trump’s top aides in the White House, Mr. Flynn was privy to some of the most sensitive foreign-policy deliberations of the new administration and was directly involved in discussions about the possible lifting of sanctions on Russia imposed by the Obama administration.

He has made the offer to the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees though his lawyer but has so far found no takers, the officials said.

 

[pigeon]

I hear pundits say that Dems shouldn't filibuster Gorsuch because they would lose that power for when Trump picks a real asshole for next judge.

Trump can do that anyway, Mconnell would just change the rules next time and Dems base would still be pissed.

I don't get it.

You have nothing to lose by filibustering Gorsuch

This is literally what Schumer said today, thank God.

In the interview, Schumer doubted that an agreement could be reached.

“The deal would be, ‘We won’t change the rules on the next one,’ but the nuclear option is always available,” he said. “So how do you solve that?”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...9aa75d3ec57_story.html?utm_term=.0f0039667195

 

[metalslimer]

There's no guarantee he won't use his immunity to shield Trump and co.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

We have to remember to account for the alternative hypothesis that Flynn is just extremely stupid.

 

[Tall4Life]

There's no guarantee he won't use his immunity to shield Trump and co.

It's likely they'll have evidence for the contrary, so if he does that and he's caught he's fucked even more

 

[smokeymicpot]

We have to remember to account for the alternative hypothesis that Flynn is just extremely stupid.

The man just got fired and is probably pissed. He knows something and wants to saved out of this sinking ship.

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

Do you think the people who produce Game Change 3 regret going into production so early?

 

[Rebel Leader]

Israel just approved first new settlement

 

[Vixdean]

No surprise on Flynn, they've already been throwing him under the bus.

 

[metalslimer]

The fact that no one is taking the offer actually makes me feel better because it means they don't even need his testimony and don't trust him enough to take it currently.

But I'll also remind people that people freaked out on the right when that guy who set up the server got offered immunity in the e-mail investigation.

 

[pigeon]

There's no guarantee he won't use his immunity to shield Trump and co.

I mean he's not going to get immunity if he has nothing to offer. People get immunity because they can implicate others higher up the chain.

 

[Grym]

This is huge.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-f...-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

I audibly gasped reading that. :O

At the very least Flynn knows he's screwed for his lawyer to be the one requesting immunity. So there is fire. Now who else does his info directly implicate?