And those were the last questions asked. I could spend all day theorizing why Nunes asked those questions when he did.
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And those were the last questions asked. I could spend all day theorizing why Nunes asked those questions when he did.
BoogieWoogie
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GOP senators and congressmen could just be straight up arrested right? No procedures or anything like with the Presidency?
Mark Meadows was saying last night the HFC won't formally oppose the bill as a group, but that he doesn't believe Trump/Ryan have enough conservatives on board to pass it.
cartoon_soldier
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I feel that the bill will pass House for sure.
That seems to be different from the tune he was singing last week... I wonder if enough changes were made to shift them over.
Shit. This may pass the House.
Starting to get the same feeling.
It'll be passed on the promise of "this is just the first wave" "we're going to take care of seniors". Then falter in the Senate.
I also think it'll pass the House, but I don't see how it passes the Senate in it's current form. moderate Senators won't vote for a bill that cuts Medicaid so deeply and the conservatives won't be appeased unless all the tax credits and Medicaid expansion are gone. The Senate amendments will make the bill unpassable in the House, as it will likely make tax credits more generous, especially for the near elderly. This will either force them to keep some of the taxes or make the bill add to the deficit, because remember this bill really only works by hanging people 50-65 out to dry. Otherwise it won't save any money and premiums in 10 years won't be lower compared to current law.
I mean, if Ryan had to make more concessions to the crazies in the HFC then I can't imagine that it's going to be palatable to more moderate members of the Senate.
But I never underestimate the ability of Republicans to fall in line.
IggyChooChoo
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Seems like the best-case scenario is for it to pass the House, then fail in the Senate. That way we get to tie it around congressmens' necks in 2018, Trump takes a huge L, and we avoid a horrible policy outcome. I suppose the downside is that it makes passing it more likely.
balladofwindfishes
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The "plan" for the GOP is probably
- The house "barely" passes the House
- It gets him stalled in the senate for awhile, hoping people kind of just forget about it
- If people don't, they make some nothing changes to pretend to care
- They pray to god that the Democrats filibuster
- They spend the next 2 years screaming on TV that the Democrats won't let them do anything, AND they don't get the bill they didn't even want passed and their names aren't etched into the steaming pile of failure
They basically want their cake and to eat it as well. It's probably not going to work out so cleanly for them. They went a little overboard on step 1.
- The house "barely" passes the House
- It gets him stalled in the senate for awhile, hoping people kind of just forget about it
- If people don't, they make some nothing changes to pretend to care
- They pray to god that the Democrats filibuster
- They spend the next 2 years screaming on TV that the Democrats won't let them do anything, AND they don't get the bill they didn't even want passed and their names aren't etched into the steaming pile of failure
They basically want their cake and to eat it as well. It's probably not going to work out so cleanly for them. They went a little overboard on step 1.
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Gorsuch's hearing is pretty good. Republicans probably unhappy with his answers. Grassley looked like an idiot.
His voice is so similar to Howard Stern too.
His voice is so similar to Howard Stern too.
Rep. Maxine Waters:
I mean, I'm ready but this seems like an ill-advised tweet. Not that it matters. Not that anything matters anymore, really.
https://twitter.com/MaxineWaters/status/844170858159636480
I mean, I'm ready but this seems like an ill-advised tweet. Not that it matters. Not that anything matters anymore, really.
Veritigo_X
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She's been talking like this for awhile right? I remember she was openly talking about the piss tape as if it were true.
balladofwindfishes
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There are so many things going wrong with the GOP right now, the Dems could easily just stop this SC nominee forever if they wanted. Whose going to actually vote against the Democrats for a Supreme Court nominee when people are dying in the streets and nobody has jobs?
The Dems hold power in this, they just need to realize it.
I really wish people wouldn't throw comments (the tweet) like this out there lightly. It pushes the "he'll never get impeached" narrative so much harder when they're wrong.
But hopefully this is something?
Won her district with 77% of the vote last election. There's a reason she's the one that made the tweet, she's pretty safe.
edit: year - victory percent
2016 - 77%
2014 - 71%
2012 - 71% (against another Dem due to redistricting)
2010 - 80%
2008 - 83% (a Republican and Libertarian split the rest)
2006 - 84%
2004 - 80%
2002 - 76%
2000 - 87%
etc..
An alternate take- She is throwing out copious red meat to her base, a la Trump, which apparently gets them interested in the current political climate of the day.
She frankly has sounded like a lunatic lately, and I wouldn't take a goddamn thing she says seriously.
nature boy
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So it's basically "vote for the bill or you'll lose your seat."
#WINNING
#WINNING
balladofwindfishes
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They're not going to like his stance on Roe v Wade or gay marriage.
Or vote for the bill AND you'll lose your seat.
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Did he not read about Plessy V Ferguson and Brown Vs Board of Education?
BoogieWoogie
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That's the approach they decided to take? Shit maybe this bill is really dead.
I meant in terms of voters booting out House Rs next year they vote for this thing.
That seems like a weird position for a SCOTUS justice to take. Since they literally have that power.
From what I understand, his public persona and his record contradict drastically.
He often breaks legal precedence when presiding over corporate overreach cases... I wouldn't believe a fucking word the guy says, but he sure does play the part well.
Retromelon
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i dont understand why mika and joe were giving donny softball interviews and fawning over him during the election, and now on their show every day its like the donald trump is ass hour
Probably because: A) He was entertaining, B) They thought that campaign Trump would actually be different than president Trump.
Or, maybe they now realize that they were partially complicit in letting him off the hook for ratings.
There's a lot of liberals who just want Dems to obstruct the GOP congress at every turn like the Republicans did during Obama. Retribution and all that, and I get that even if I don't entirely agree with it.
However, I do think that Dems need to learn from this that if they take back power in 2018 and 2020, they need to be fearless. Not try to appease the right. Sure, maybe reach out to some moderates, but otherwise, next time they're in power, they need to go for broke.
However, I do think that Dems need to learn from this that if they take back power in 2018 and 2020, they need to be fearless. Not try to appease the right. Sure, maybe reach out to some moderates, but otherwise, next time they're in power, they need to go for broke.
Carpe Libertatem
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I am truly shocked that Trump doesn't understand how politics works
I wonder if he's realized you can't run government like a business yet.. probably not
hydragonwarrior
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Lol he will try until the very end anyway, and rack up as many nice weekend vacations as possible.
Yeah, I don't believe any conservative justice would ever say or believe that Roe v. Wade is untouchable by virtue of already being SCOTUS precedent. I also don't believe for a second that Trump never discussed certain issue litmus tests -- particularly Roe v. Wade, which he talked about endlessly on the campaign -- with Gorsuch. Just seems like a strange statement to make, since the power to overturn previous SCOTUS rulings is a large part of SCOTUS' power. They're literally the only judges able to do that.
A Human Becoming
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Is there any doubt Trump's worst enemy is himself?
Retromelon
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sean hannity loves saying 'alt left' like there are liberals out there as equally bad as the anti semitic, xenophobic, propaganda swilling young 4 chan assholes that commit such wonderful acts like sending a gif to someone they don't like that causes them to have a seizure
Host Samurai
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I'am watching it now and I'am quite surprised TBH. So far he doesn't seem so bad. He's not regressive which is quite good.
Alt left radical left jihad. The guy is a clown who learned new snowflake words.
Roland_Gunner
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Its like John Roberts all over again. Gorush will sound reasonable and then vote with Thomas and Alito 80% of the time.
Don'tbelievehislies.gif.
Look at his history, not his words. Not that I think he's ultra-conservative or anything (probably less so than Scalia), but he almost always sides with big business at the expense of the little guy.
Not that he has much of an understanding of how businesses work in the first place.
Host Samurai
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I mean he's not ideal, but anyone is a step up from Scalia. As long as he doesn't overturn some shit than I'am not raging. I was expecting some crazy conservative religious zealot. I would never expect a republican pick to ever be for the employee.
Not that I am happy with this pick as I wish we got a real progressive, but I'am not throwing a brick at my TV.
Cesare Borgia
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How do you go broke with multiple members from rural white districts? We're going to see a return of blue dog-type democrats winning seats, assuming Trump implodes the House. Redistricting/gerrymandering reform would likely help with this, but in the meantime it's not a good situation if you're dreaming of single payer and other things that won't happen anytime soon.
Ignatz Mouse
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But I heard that Trump liked the Gays!
He held a rainbow flag that one time!
My biggest issue with Scalia is not that he was a Constitutional originalist or super conservative, but that he was plainly a bigot, used his originalism to justify his bigotry and, perhaps worst of all, clearly delighted in trolling people with opinions that reveled in his thinly veiled bigotry.
It's like how Trump uses fake news to describe literally any legitimate media outlet. It's just a way of co-opting an anti-Trump talking point and devaluing its effectiveness.
heh, that's exactly what Schumer said after meeting with him, too.
It's like how Trump uses fake news to describe literally any legitimate media outlet. It's just a way of co-opting an anti-Trump talking point and devaluing its effectiveness.
heh, that's exactly what Schumer said after meeting with him, too.
AntraxSuicide
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Yep, same here. Scalia was pretty clearly a bad person who hated various minority groups and seemed to enjoy that. I'm not sad at all that he's gone.
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