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PoliGAF 2nd Pres. Debate 2008 Thread (DOW dropping, Biden is off to Home Depot)
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grandjedi6
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I'm conflicted :/
The Librarian
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Don't; you're childhood would be ruined, even if you are through your childhood.Zapages said:
Hispanics turn cold shoulder to McCain.
There's one thing I don't understand, though: why air aids in Spanish?
Report: US Spied on Americans' Intimate Conversations Abroad
Now seems as good a time as any to ask again - Does Barack Obama support these kind of actions?
Now seems as good a time as any to ask again - Does Barack Obama support these kind of actions?
Much as I love poligaf, I kinda wonder what it's like going to a McCain rally (other than the stupid chants). I know when I went to Obama's rally, I couldn't go 5 feet without being asked if I'm registered to vote or to volunteer. I'm guessing the same isn't true of a McCain rally.
ryutaro's mama
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mAcOdIn said:
The problem with Ayers is, making t a talking point right now, makes it looks like what it is: desperate.
If Ayers was this HUGE point of concern for the American people, why not mention it back in August? Or July?
Steve Youngblood
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It also serves as a great reassurance for those fearing an October surprise. There's less than a month left until the election. McCain's getting killed. If there's anything McCain has been holding back on, now's the time to put it out there. So, he and his team retreat to the war room, and THIS is the best they've got?ryutaro's mama said:
Stoney Mason
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HylianTom said:
Drudge will now switch off Zogby polls until the race tightens with that poll or he will switch to whatever is the closest poll and declare the race a tie.
The Librarian
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Shouldn't they already know English, though? So what's the point?Iksenpets said:
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HylianTom said:
You mean McCain -2? I thought Zogby had it at a 4 point difference yesterday?
Tyrone Slothrop
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lol zogby
WickedAngel
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Steve Youngblood said:
It's not really surprising when you look at the overall direction that this campaign has taken. There has been a fundamental lack of direction and planning since day one; almost every one of their moves has been half-assed, reactionary, or both. It's no shock that they're recycling Clinton attacks from the primary season.
Dax01 said:
Not all that well. The English requirements for citizenship are pretty basic. And in campaign advertisement a pretty high degree of nuance and careful connotation is required, so communicating to someone in a language they only have conversational knowledge of is pretty hard. Much more effective to run a Spanish language ad on Spanish language channels.
The American Hunters and Shooters Association endorses Obama
Second largest gun organization btw.
Second largest gun organization btw.
The Librarian
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So it's only on Spanish channels, then? Okay, that makes sense.Iksenpets said:
:lol :lol Palin must be crying right now.Shiggie said:
Trakdown said:
They probably do that to a smaller extent, though McCain doesn't have nearly the ground game that Obama has. Obama bases it on a message of optimism and getting voters to register, and for those people to get other people to register, while McCain tries to get people to vote based on fear, misinformation, and flat-out lies.
Hellsing321
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I eagerly await the ads calling them a terrorist organization.Shiggie said:
Fragamemnon
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This is really good news for us NC folk. As anyone with a GOP governor knows, the only thing that they really excel at is cutting taxes during the good years and then hitting massive budget snafus during the lean ones. Perdue has received an uptick in the polls and is now narrowly ahead everywhere, and is murdering McCrory on the airwaves.
Hope it lasts, GOP governors are just terrible, terrible folk. Oh, and to Washington State GAF-that Republican dude running there is BAD NEWS BEARS and you better not split your ticket and vote for him.
Steve Youngblood said:
It's like I said: Nobody in that campaign wants to admit they're wrong. There's been some legendary failure in this campaign (going hyper-negative when your problem is your unfavorables, and on top of that, announcing that you're going to do it). There's rampant communication problems, like when Palin whined about Michigan.
If they would've entered October with a positive campaign that had some focus on the issues, it might still be a game. But who wants to come forth and say "Look, my idea sucked. We need to turn this campaign around and do something different NOW"? Fiorina said one bad thing about McCain and got grounded, what'll happen if you admit to an idea that's nearly doomed the campaign?
WickedAngel
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:lol I love those "Socialist swine!!!111" comments on that video. McCain just offered to buy up the failing mortgages of Americans at the debate.
I wonder how it feels to have bigots as your base.
I wonder how it feels to have bigots as your base.
It's a bullshit organization.
The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is an organization involved in advocacy for gun control,[1] founded to more effectively promote the efforts of the Brady Campaign.[2] Its critics claim that AHSA is a front organization aimed at dividing gun owners by pointing to AHSA members' bias against private ownership of the most popular modern sporting firearms, and note AHSA leaders have donated money to gun control groups[3] and maintained ties to individuals and organizations who advocate gun control.[4] Despite the similarity in name, AHSA has no ties to the field marksmanship promoting organization, the Hunter's Shooting Association (HSA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Hunters_and_Shooters_Association
The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is an organization involved in advocacy for gun control,[1] founded to more effectively promote the efforts of the Brady Campaign.[2] Its critics claim that AHSA is a front organization aimed at dividing gun owners by pointing to AHSA members' bias against private ownership of the most popular modern sporting firearms, and note AHSA leaders have donated money to gun control groups[3] and maintained ties to individuals and organizations who advocate gun control.[4] Despite the similarity in name, AHSA has no ties to the field marksmanship promoting organization, the Hunter's Shooting Association (HSA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Hunters_and_Shooters_Association
I'm gonna send in my CA vote by mail ballot tomorrow... I voted for Bob Barr! 
No, really. I did.
Seriously though. Even though this is only my second opportunity to vote, I've never been more proud to vote for a national candidate, and I don't know if I ever will be again. Here's hoping Barack can get us out of this mess.
TheGrayGhost
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I'm genuinely sad. So depressed. Watching that video of the "McCain/Palin Mob." So, so sad.
Hellsing321
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So you'd say they're a terrorist organization? Excellent.Nicodimas said:
platypotamus
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Incognito said:
Easty Beasty Washington better not screw it up for the rest of us.
Well they're not terrorists, but who the fuck are they exactly? It almost seems like they were invented right around the start of the election. I hardly see this as meaning anything worthwhile for Obama.Hellsing321 said:
That said, as a gun owner, I do think it's about time that someone did start an organization that opposed the NRA, I'll be watching and reading about these guys and see where they stand on everything.
speculawyer
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Now there is a non sequitur. :lolZapages said:
I kind of suspected that something like that was up since I had never heard of it.Nicodimas said:
Actually, since I'm for gun control I would prefer if it's just a bs organization.
Edit: Well, maybe I don't hope that they are bs so much as I don't want Obama giving gun-toting gun-toters more reason to be happy than McCain would.
speculawyer
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Are they like a liberal version of the NRA?Shiggie said:
Fragamemnon
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Shiggie said:
Do you have a reference on that? They feel like an astroturf-style group to me.
You want to know who will be best for sportsman? Vote for the guy (Obama) that is going to ensure that state and local governments have funds even in a downturn, fish and wildlife agencies depend on that money to both maintain existing gamelands and purchase/swap land (with parters) to open up to hunters and fishermen. Talk to the guy that wants to spend money developing the tech for cellulosic ethanol (Obama), which can be managed such that it becomes prime game and nongame grassland bird habitat.
Hunting and fishing in America is slowly dwindling because the places for people to hunt and fish easily are dwindling.
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