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PoliGAF 2nd Pres. Debate 2008 Thread (DOW dropping, Biden is off to Home Depot)

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LCGeek

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Saint Gregory said:
I just read that Levi Johnston story and some of that is pretty sad. I can't believe that he dropped out of high school to start working. That's not the best way to set yourself up as your family's breadwinner :(
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Someone needs to free levi! :lol
 
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ViperVisor

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Shiggie said:
MY GOD HE CAN BEARLY KEEP MY ATTENTION!
look at his rehashed, 30fps, n64 graphics speech.
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30fps N64 graphics you can believe in.
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Saint Gregory

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Since the first two debates were supposed to be advantages for McCain's strengths (foreign policy and town halls respectively) and Obama won both by most estimates is there any chance that this last economic debate, which everyone has thought from the begining was Obama's biggest strength, might end up being a trap for him if he doesn't dominate McCain?
 
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Father_Brain

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CharlieDigital said:
What about when black kids do it?
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I think National Review's Byron York actually pointed this out pretty incisively:

I don't usually engage in these scenarios, but I'll do it here. If the Obamas had a 17 year-old daughter who was unmarried and pregnant by a tough-talking black kid, my guess is if that they all appeared onstage at a Democratic convention and the delegates were cheering wildly, a number of conservatives might be discussing the issue of dysfunctional black families.
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A stopped clock is right twice a day, as they say.
 
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Stoney Mason

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Saint Gregory said:
Since the first two debates were supposed to be advantages for McCain's strengths (foreign policy and town halls respectively) and Obama won both by most estimates is there any chance that this last economic debate, which everyone has thought from the begining was Obama's biggest strength, might end up being a trap for him if he doesn't dominate McCain?
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The most variable part of the last debate is Bob Schieffer (whom I'm like) who is sending signals that he suddenly wants to be an active moderator (which I don't like).

The close in table debates are surprisingly often the most affable of the debates but McCain had a really nasty one with Romney so who knows how this will go.

Historically the later debates in a series of them tend to have less effect than the earlier ones anyway but this is an unusual election cycle with a great degree of voter interest so who knows if that dynamic will play out here.
 
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Son of Godzilla

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Saint Gregory said:
Since the first two debates were supposed to be advantages for McCain's strengths (foreign policy and town halls respectively) and Obama won both by most estimates is there any chance that this last economic debate, which everyone has thought from the begining was Obama's biggest strength, might end up being a trap for him if he doesn't dominate McCain?
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I'm not one to be optimistic, but if there's any issue Obama can railroad McCain on, it's the economy. A large number of his policies are just flat out terrible. I mean, jaw dropping, how can he be speaking the words he is speaking, terrible.
 
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Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
Stoney Mason said:
Some person at some website claimed it was their report card that had been photoshopped. I'm too lazy to find the link at the moment.
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why would anyone admit to being the owner of that report card??!

:lol
 
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Flo_Evans

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gogo Missouri! Obama volunteers have been pounding the streets HARD here. I was a bit worried, this weekend I drove through Ladue (million$+ homes, private drives, private country clubs), and McCain Palin signs where EVERYWHERE. :lol
 
Duane Cunningham

Duane Cunningham

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syllogism said:
SurveyUSA Missouri poll: 51o% to 43m%

http://www.kmox.com/KMOX-Survey-Shows-Big-Swing-In-Voter-Support-For-O/3127150
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I'm telling you. It may be anecdotal, but it really feels like MO could go blue. Some of the most hard ass, grumpy AM Radio guys and local bloggers just get more and more ambivalent as the weeks go by. The part of KC that I live in that was probably the most Bushy the last two elections is slathered in Obama yard signs and bumper stickers. KC, St Louis and Jefferson City will be huge wins for Obama. The Ozarks and southern rural parts of the state (where the The Billboard is) may offset it and keep MO red, but I know what presidential election cycles feel like in the Show-Me state at this point, and I'm really feeling more and more like Obama will edge him out in the end.

Besides, MO always picks the winner.
 
The Lamonster

The Lamonster

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Flo_Evans said:
gogo Missouri! Obama volunteers have been pounding the streets HARD here. I was a bit worried, this weekend I drove through Ladue (million$+ homes, private drives, private country clubs), and McCain Palin signs where EVERYWHERE. :lol
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I drove thru rural MO yesterday on hwy 70 and 40 and there were TONS of McCain-Palin signs. It's all about KC and STL voter turnout.

Us city folk can easily squash those rural voters if we show up to the polls in large numbers.
 
JCreasy

JCreasy

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Saint Gregory said:
Since the first two debates were supposed to be advantages for McCain's strengths (foreign policy and town halls respectively) and Obama won both by most estimates is there any chance that this last economic debate, which everyone has thought from the begining was Obama's biggest strength, might end up being a trap for him if he doesn't dominate McCain?
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This is an interesting observation.

The expectations game has served Obama well.

But I'd also like to point out that Obama is a clutch player. I think he's ready to bring it.
 
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Saint Gregory

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kkaabboomm said:
wtf? i know ARG is regarded as crap, SUSA isn't like super gold standard but wtf? +8?
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I think the McCain strategy of the last couple weeks is having some backlash in ways they didn't anticipate. In the past whenever the republicans employed these tactics it was more insidious, more like whispers and code words to convey their message of fear. But what you've seen coming out of these rallies and on the web is frightening racism. Even someone who has misgivings about black people is going to be repulsed by what they've seen coming out of the mouths of these supporters.

I also think that although race is still a huge issue in U.S. politics the McCain campaign is overestimating the populous view of Obama. If people saw him as a black person first and a candidate second it might have worked but people have a tendency to not always associate people with the groups they discriminate against. (ie, Will Smith, Michael Jordan, etc.)

Also, just saw John Voigt on MSNBC. I had no idea how batshit insane he is. No wonder Angelina wants nothing to do with him.
 
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Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Kerry bloc/IA/NM(264) + NV/CO/MO/IN/OH/WV/VA/NC/FL(116) = 380 EVs

At this point it's not whether or not Obama will win but by how much. The odds of McCain keeping Obama from getting only five votes out of battleground states is approaching infinitesimal.
 
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BotoxAgent

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Saint Gregory said:
Also, just saw John Voigt on MSNBC. I had no idea how batshit insane he is. No wonder Angelina wants nothing to do with him.
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I did, ever since I saw him all the time on stage behind Guliani during the primaries.
 
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belvedere

Junior Butler
Flo_Evans said:
gogo Missouri! Obama volunteers have been pounding the streets HARD here. I was a bit worried, this weekend I drove through Ladue (million$+ homes, private drives, private country clubs), and McCain Palin signs where EVERYWHERE. :lol
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I was surprised to see more Obama signs on my commute home through Creve Cour than McCain signs. Weird considering Creve Cour is basically a carbon copy of Ladue.
 
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Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Saint Gregory said:
I think the McCain strategy of the last couple weeks is having some backlash in ways they didn't anticipate. In the past whenever the republicans employed these tactics it was more insidious, more like whispers and code words to convey their message of fear. But what you've seen coming out of these rallies and on the web is frightening racism. Even someone who has misgivings about black people is going to be repulsed by what they've seen coming out of the mouths of these supporters.
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Yeah, people may be prejudiced, but most people are equally adverse to open racism.
 
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Fatalah

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Stoney Mason said:
Damnit GAF is going to be happy with the gallups

It is my mission to strike pessimism and derive hopium until the election.
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Holy crapo @ today's Gallup. I was expecting McCain to gain a point with all the polls we've been seeing this weekend.
 
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maximum360

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Stoney Mason said:
Damnit GAF is going to be happy with the gallups

It is my mission to strike pessimism and to stifle hopium until the election.
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John Voight is that you? You should also add that Obama is a commi-socialist-marxist and has associations that have not yet been mentioned on television.
 
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Cloudy

Banned
Saint Gregory said:
I think the McCain strategy of the last couple weeks is having some backlash in ways they didn't anticipate. In the past whenever the republicans employed these tactics it was more insidious, more like whispers and code words to convey their message of fear. But what you've seen coming out of these rallies and on the web is frightening racism. Even someone who has misgivings about black people is going to be repulsed by what they've seen coming out of the mouths of these supporters.

I also think that although race is still a huge issue in U.S. politics the McCain campaign is overestimating the populous view of Obama. If people saw him as a black person first and a candidate second it might have worked but people have a tendency to not always associate people with the groups they discriminate against. (ie, Will Smith, Michael Jordan, etc.)

Also, just saw John Voigt on MSNBC. I had no idea how batshit insane he is. No wonder Angelina wants nothing to do with him.
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I also think the insane media coverage hurt McCain. It's one thing to drop red meat to a crowd that wants it but it just doesn't play well on TV. And the stations have to cover it since it's all over youtube..
 
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