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PoliGAF 2nd Pres. Debate 2008 Thread (DOW dropping, Biden is off to Home Depot)
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Fragamemnon
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Slurpy said:
Man that website sucks complete nuts compared to Obama for America. I mean, not even close, it's terribad.
Gruco said:
My god, if Obama could get a supermajority it would be perfect. Obama could get the big campaign platforms done.
The best thing he can do longterm is universal healthcare. Once we have it on the books, no one will ever get rid of it (just like social security).
I want UHC so fucking bad for this nation.
The Chosen One
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The problem with the "That One" comment is that he ended with "Me". If he had said, "That one" and "This one", it could be smoothed over. But the way he phrased it, it came off as "condescending" at best, at worst it was demeaning borderline racist. Everybody I was watching the debate with was like "wat?!".
McCain overall just comes off as a snarky SOB. He talks about bipartisanship, but his entire tone and sarcasm is in total contradiction of this. Even if Obama doesn't like McCain, you still get the feeling that Obama at least respects him. McCain on the other hand, it seems can't show an ounce of respect toward Obama. He wears the disdain for Obam on his sleeve.
McCain overall just comes off as a snarky SOB. He talks about bipartisanship, but his entire tone and sarcasm is in total contradiction of this. Even if Obama doesn't like McCain, you still get the feeling that Obama at least respects him. McCain on the other hand, it seems can't show an ounce of respect toward Obama. He wears the disdain for Obam on his sleeve.
speculawyer
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I felt sorry for him when he lost the 2000 primary.Thai said:
After the transformation into the new-right-McCain and the addition of Palin, I have zero pity for him now.
Byakuya769
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""This is McCain's mantra. I know how. I know how. Here's what I will do."
John Podhoretz
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A comment from McCain's own website... Is there a deeper meaning to this pathetic campaign? That was NOT a good comment.
John Podhoretz
Commentary"
A comment from McCain's own website... Is there a deeper meaning to this pathetic campaign? That was NOT a good comment.
AniHawk said:
prolly too late. They already pulled the money out and threw all their eggs in the presidential race, and now the dems look to have 57 seats on lockdown with 4 more leaning republican races that could very well tip Dem. If we can somehow get to 60 (61 even better we could boot Lieberman) it would be bigger than Obama winning.
speculawyer
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Who will be the first Fox News person to blame this on Obama winning the debate? :lolbesada said:
Fragamemnon
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Gruco said:
Perhaps. I think there's a bigger danger of McCain's bsae voting a third party protest vote in significant numbers rather than not voting at all. I think that factors beyond the GOP's control-namely the economic tailspin we are in-are going to wind up hurting them much, much more than McCain's collapse is going to.
I will come out and say this-when all votes are counted, one of the following Republican Senators will be unseated in an epic upset:
Saxby Chambliss (GA)
Mitch McConnell (KY)
John Cornyn (TX)
And Dems will expand their house lead past 250 seats.
speculawyer said:
I felt bad for McCain for much of this campaign, as I used to like him quite a bit (as far as Republicans go), and I don't feel that he believes a lot of the bullshit he's spurted out the past several months (not that this necessarily the greatest quality).
After the Palin pick however, and the recent increasingly desperate and mean-spirited tone his campaign has undertaken, I don't feel sorry for the man at all and welcome Obama's impending win with glee.
The Chosen One
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As for Tom Brokaw, I didn't think he did as bad as you guys say. He had to moderate an absolute CRAP format that was agreed to by the two campaigns and the commission. If he didn't try to enforce the rules, then he would have gotten a lot of shit from one of the campaigns and possibly the commission for not enforcing the format.
Hopefully by him trying to enforce such a ridiculous format, it shows just how awful it was and future presidential town halls will be more free-flowing.
Hopefully by him trying to enforce such a ridiculous format, it shows just how awful it was and future presidential town halls will be more free-flowing.
SouthernDragon
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Slurpy said:
Wow.
AniHawk said:
I think Al Franken will win by about 3-4%. Norm Coleman is too afraid to even stake a claim in McCain's health plan. Right now, Democrats are looking at least 7 pickups. I wouldn't be surprised to see around 10 pickups, though.
EDIT: It's also important to note that 60 isn't really needed in order to defuse the filibuster. Even if the Democrats have 57 or 58 Senators, there's still quite a few Republican Senators who are safe bets to work across the aisle to pass legislation. And after this year's bloodbath, a lot of them don't need to put their finger in the wind to gauge which way the wind is blowing. Sticking with the GOP is a recipe for packing your bags in this climate.
Fragamemnon
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Incognito said:
I think there is some time to salvage some of the House seats that are on the brink in states where Obama has no ground game. ( Arizona, Wyoming, CA-4, Idaho, etc.) The Senate situation is a whole lot more tricky due to timing but some last minute cash could help keep the total disaster scenario from unfolding.
Money spent on McCain just doesn't seem effective at this point, though.
MaddenNFL64
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I like that CNN can cut to their international network, and inform americans of this shit when all their US anchors are sleeping.
Franken is still in it, he really has been closing hard. The fact that Obama isn't very active in MN worries me though.AniHawk said:
Locks: CO, NM, VA
Near-locks: NH, AK
Likely: OR, NC
Stretch: MN, MS
Longshot: KY, GA
That's how I see it, at this point. I wish Noriega or Kleeb could make the list, but such is life.
Fragamemnon said:
I really wish Obama had put a few offices in Idaho just so that Bill Sali would have been sent packing.
EDIT: The RNC has been adept, however, at fundraising. I believe September was their largest fundraising month of all time. IIRC, $66 million. The previous high was $40 million or so back in 2000. So clearly, they have the resources to make things interesting. I'm with you, though; I don't think funneling cash to McCain at this point is worth it.
Evlar said:
no prob, I pay almost as much attention to Senate races. If obama can continue to create a wave of support that carries him through the election we could get a supermajority which would be gigantic.
Imagine Obama with a free pass to do 90% of what he wants.
Revengeance
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Srsly. That's some elementary school level shit.omg rite said:
Gruco said:
I agree, but I would throw TX into longshot status, probably longer than the other two.
Something in my gut says an Obama wave and turnout will carry bout Musgrove and Franken to wins. That would get us to 58+2. I just really want it to go to 59+1 in the worst way so we can punish Lieberman.
mckmas8808
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# As of October 7, 8:00PM EDT:
# Obama: 353
# McCain: 185
# Meta-margin: Obama +5.44%
WOW!
# Obama: 353
# McCain: 185
# Meta-margin: Obama +5.44%
WOW!
...on UHC. To say I want this is an understatement. Right now, as a 25 year old adult, I have absolutely none of the legal rights that are enjoyed by my peers. Can't get married. Can't own a home. Can't own a car(you should have seen the hoops I went through just to purchase a car...). Can't earn over $8,000 a year. Basically, can't do anything that proves self-sufficiency or my coverage that runs $60,000+ a month would be yanked. If I want to purchase something on credit, I have to have a family member "buy" the teevee, computer, furniture, etc. Again, self-sufficiency. So yeah, I cannot wait for UHC...
StoOgE said:
Ditto. Noriega and Cornyn had a debate today but for some ungodly reason they scheduled it at the exact same time as the presidential one. I'll have to see if I can dredge it up somewhere as I do want to watch it. Noriega campaign's e-mail said it would be on PBS and KHUT.
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Fragamemnon
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Incognito said:
There's a story getting traction that Norm has been getting designer suits from a major donor-when asked, he hasn't denied it. It's those little bullshit things that can matter in a close election like Franken and Coleman are in.
Agreed. A lot of them are going to want to hunker down and try to save their seats until they are convinced that all realigning forces have passed.
A equally big problem for the GOP overall is going to be weak leadership. This isn't going to be the 1992 GOP with tough leaders like Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay, and Dick Armey around in the House. Instead they have Boehner, Blunt , and the Republican Study Committee loony bin. The Senate is going to be in an equally ugly spot.
It's that leadership gap that should allow for a lot of Obama's legislation-provided it is paid for (always the big sticking point with the Blue Dogs)-to get passed without heavy markup.
Deus Ex Machina
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Yep. The Maine ladies alone would make this easy, but there are plenty other options to pick off depending on the issue. Republicans would not be able to maintain lockstep unity in this environment, and the slightest defect means success.Incognito said:
If you want to keep this generation motivated in politics, nothing will do that more than the lawmakers we fought for get tangible results on Iraq, energy and health care. If the electoral margins are big enough, it can happen.
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