They use http://www.ustream.tv/ for streaming and I think it chooses the next live streamThe Lamonster said:
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ryutaro's mama
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The Lamonster said:
Change.
Krowley said:
So, in your view, McCain is a clusterfuck and a trainwreck, yet you somehow still prefer him to Obama. I'm sorry, I have a hard time rationalizing that logic. My only guess is that this is partisanship at its worst. Better a republican that fits your bolded description than a *shudder* democrat, right?
Every now and then, I take the composites on pollster.com and map them using one of the electoral map tools (I like the one the Washington Post uses). I just give each state to whoever is ahead, regardless of margin.Stoney Mason said:
Right now it's 269 to 269. Relative to 2004, Obama picks up IA, CO and NM, and is behind in NH. Just one of many metrics that points to a crazy-close race.
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GhaleonEB said:
Yeah both emotionally and even logically to a degree I tend to put more faith in the more conservative polling outfits. I sort of it view it that they all represent truth based on voter turnout. The Daily Kos poll could be true if the voter turnout was insane. Then again the Rasmussen poll could be correct if voter turnout is average. And the state polling just makes it even more crazy complex. I prefer to use something like pollster though to the 538 map not that there is anything wrong with the people who live and die by 538.
Joe Biden's gaffes actually draws in the blue collar vote http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13596_Page2.html
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I hope Gaborn reads those, because that is how you accomplish voter fraud. Stealing someone else's vote is a waste of resources (time, money, risk). Keeping the other guy's vote from even counting? That's how it's done.Cloudy said:
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Thrown under the bussoul creator said:
Anything-gate
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adamsappel said:
"race card" or any kind of card
"gate" or any kind of gate
hockey mom
elitist
dilettante
ryutaro's mama
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Stoney Mason said:
lipstick
fundementals
out of touch
main st.
small town values
ground campaign
staff meeting
my friends
reformer
eletrify the base
dead heat
ryutaro's mama
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demon said:
words and phrases that we've started to hate this year
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ryutaro's mama said:
how could you go and forget "Maverick"
ryutaro's mama
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Zefah said:
Someone else posted that.
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ryutaro's mama said:
As opposed to San Franciso values.
WickedAngel
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"My Friends" is probably my #1. It's so transparent and forced every time he uses it.
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oh yeah, can't forget "heartland americans"
Slurpy said:
Obviously Obama is on the ideological opposite end from me. I can handle the Clintons, because they governed in a centrist fashion, and they tend towards more centrist policy's. I probably would have voted for Hilary if she had been the democratic nominee just to express protest against the republican party, but I think obama's real instincts beyond his stated positions are much more socialist, and I especially don't like him on foreign policy.
On the issue of domestic policy.... There was a religious forum early in the democratic primary where Obama made all these very socialist sounding arguments, and I decided right then that I didn't want him to be president. It wasn't the kind of populist "rich vs poor" stuff that you hear from most american democrats.. This suggested a much deeper european style of liberalism as a core philosophy and I could not abide it. On most domestic issues other than health care (where I'm distinctly populist) I'm basicaly a libertarian. I want a flat tax, and spending cuts and all that jazz.
McCain is a clusterfuck and a trainwreck on domestic policy. He basicaly has no views that he's willing to mention, and no new ideas.
On foreign policy I strongly prefer McCain to Obama and I think foreign policy is a more important consideration when voting for president because the president has more power in that area. I disagreed with the decision to invade Iraq, but I think if McCain had been in charge, the war never would have become a disaster. I think the surge is working, and I think it's going to continue working. I think if we had pulled out on the democratic timetable, things would have gotten so bad we would have had to go back, and our international image would be even more tarnished.
But anyway, my general instinct is to vote for a conservative candidate and I would have made an exception for the Clintons, because I trust them, but not for Obama.
It looks like he's going to be my president anyway, and I can live with that. If he wins I will get behind him and root for him, just like I have with every president. Whoever the next president is, I want him to do well, and I want him to help our country. If the republican party has to take a loss in order to get some new ideas, that's how it will be. I will probably vote for Bob Barr unless McCain can get his act together in a big way in the next few weeks.
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demon said:
That's exactly because you don't have small town values.
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Krowley said:
Could you outline positions that Sen. Clinton has taken that makes you more comfortable with her than you are with soon to be President Obama? What makes her more centrist than Obama? Gas tax holiday? Likewise what are their tangible differences on foreign policy that are so frightening?
typhonsentra
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"Chicago Machine Politics"
I hate the phrase "playing the race card"/"playing the gender card"....etc
Oh and calling ANYTHING that is shocking a "3 am moment" drives me nuts. Half the time they are events that don't happen at night like the stockmarket crisis, but the media still calls them 3 am moments.
Oh and calling ANYTHING that is shocking a "3 am moment" drives me nuts. Half the time they are events that don't happen at night like the stockmarket crisis, but the media still calls them 3 am moments.
Keep believing that crap..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/sc_nm/iraq_lights_dc
Because it's not now? America will be a laughing stock if McCain wins..
On Obama's foreign policy, he's not a sabre-rattler and he'd be open to diplomacy. Is that so fukking wrong?
He can't cos it's bullshit. On one hand, they claim he votes with the Dems "97% of the time" and in the same breath, he's a renegade socialist :lol
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typhonsentra said:
Actually I got tired of "machine" period as political pejorative since modern operations are nothing like the true machines of the past. The modern connotation for machine seems to be anybody who is consistenly successful. "Machine" as a political slur needs to be dropped by people on both sides: Conservatives and Liberals.
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porkbarrel spending
earmarks
90% of the time
taking on my own Party
Present
(Not)Change you can Believe in
Shake up Washington
earmarks
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taking on my own Party
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"Narrative"
Fuck it's annoying.
Fuck it's annoying.
It makes no sense since republicans call Obama a weakling who votes present and won't be tough than in the next breathe call him a dirty chicago politician who forced his way to the top. They are completely contradictory views.Tamanon said:My favorite part of that is that somehow Chicago is dirty, but Alaska isn't
Either he is a wishy-washy non-leader or a overly tough guy who twists arms to get his way.
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Cheebs said:
It's the same thing that when Mccain or Bush or Republicans in general change their positions it's an act of a reasonable and delibliterative action. When a Democrat does it he is a dirty flip-flopper who is governing by the polls. This feeds into a few memes.
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Cheebs said:
He's whatever they need him to be.
Call it in.
typhonsentra
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It's an interesting phenonenon that only seems to come from conservatives against liberal opponents: Making an issue of where your opponent is from within the same country as you. Massachusetts Liberal, San Fran values. Even Colorado and parts of Wisconsin are infected now apparently!Tamanon said:My favorite part of that is that somehow Chicago is dirty, but Alaska isn't
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Cheebs said:
btw, Obama is an inexperienced outsider who doesn't know anything who is also single handedly responsible for bringing down Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae via his insider Washington lobbyist connections!
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typhonsentra said:
Clinton was lambasted as the governor of a backwater small state when he ran. Now with Palin those are all exceptional qualities
Politics is always whatever is working at the moment.
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Cheebs said:
To be fair I think Sarkozy would happily give a BJ to our entire congress. His entire mode of operation seems to be a conscious decision to be over friendly to make up for France opposing the Iraq War.
Byakuya769 said:
As I said. It's not so much his outlined positions as a sense of trust. I know that the Clinton's are centrist democrats. They governed that way in the past. It's their legacy. They governed basically according to the polls and were pretty good public servants in that way. The American people got what they wanted under them. Obama seems much more ideologically pure in a way that makes me uncomfortable.
The bottom line is: I think the Clinton's were running to the left during the primary, but I think Obama was probably actually running to the right of his actual beliefs. I don't think Obama's real beliefs are that far off from Dennis Kucinich.
Just watching a minute or so of This clip from the religious forum should explain my concern.. Just a little too much ideologically leftist. This ad scares the hell out of me on foreign policy.
edit// I rarely believe any politicians outlined positions when running for office, just on face value. I assume they are lying or exaggerating or trying to grab votes and then look for reasons to think otherwise.
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This just in for Palin/McCain - American's want us to stop yelling at one another (and start quietly lying on our opponents).
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