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[ZealousD]

The more people hear him talk for the next 7 months, the more people will see this is no longer true.

He may not be seen as a "maverick" anymore, but I would say he's certainly different in the way he approaches politics versus your standard neo-con hack.

 

[Clevinger]

He may not be seen as a "maverick" anymore, but I would say he's certainly different in the way he approaches politics versus your standard neo-con hack.

Maybe 8 years ago, but he's done a good job of turning into your standard neo-con hack. All the issues he's taken a 180 on, his hypocritical pandering to the religious right after calling people like Falwell "agents of intolerance", complimenting Rove (who used a horrible smear about his child) instead of calling him the piece of shit he is. I used admire him a bit even though I disagreed with him on most things, but now he just seems like an old man who will say or do anything to become president before he dies.

One thing I'll commend him on, though, is he seems pretty civil so far towards his opponents. Much more than, say, Clinton. That may change once the Democratic nominee is chosen though...

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

Obama aide: Bill Clinton like McCarthy
Retired Gen. McPeak, an Obama adviser, likens Bill Clinton to McCarthy for patriotism comment

Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign is trying to clarify comments by former President Clinton that seemed to question Barack Obama's patriotism _ comments an Obama aide likened to Joseph McCarthy.

Clinton's campaign said the comments were being misinterpreted and quickly posted a clarification on its Web site. But retired Air Force Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak said he was disappointed by the comments and compared them to those of McCarthy, the 1950s communist-hunting senator.

The former president made the comments while speculating about a general election between his wife and Republican John McCain.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," said Clinton, who was speaking to a group of veterans Friday in Charlotte, N.C. "And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

McPeak, a former chief of staff of the Air Force and currently a co-chair of Obama's presidential campaign, said that sounded like McCarthy.

"I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it," McPeak said.

Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer rejected the comparison.

"To liken these comments to McCarthyism is absurd," Singer said. He said McPeak was "clearly misinterpreting" the remarks and suggested that might be an intentional effort to divert attention from a recent controversy involving controversial statements by Obama's former pastor.

In a posting on Hillary Rodham Clinton's Web site Friday, the campaign said the former president was simply talking about the need to keep the race focused on issues, "rather than falsely questioning any candidate's patriotism."

McPeak, who served under Clinton and the first President Bush, was skeptical.

"It's a use of language as a disguised insult. We've seen this before, this little clever spin that's put on stuff," McPeak said. "I have no idea what his intentions are, but I'm disappointed in the statement. I think Bill Clinton is, or ought to be, better than that."

The former president has attracted criticism over earlier comments during the heated Democratic primary race. Following South Carolina's primary in January, he was accused of fanning racial tensions for appearing to cast Obama as little more than a black candidate popular in state with a heavily black electorate.

He also criticized the news media for making a race story out of his comments.

 

[Farmboy]

Here's the Bluejersey piece mentioned earlier. Regarding Fisher, I figure if the Obama camp gets wind of this they'll ask Biden to call her and seal the deal, then maybe she can convince Menendez. Would be a great coup to announce two new supers who haven't just endorsed, but switched.

NJ Superdelegate - A Menendez Staffer - May Switch To Obama

June Fisher, "a part-time special projects coordinator for Senator Bob Menendez" and a DNC superdelegate, has told The Forward that she is willing to change her support from Clinton to Obama.

But despite the efforts to ensure their support in recent weeks, several Jewish super-delegates who are currently committed told the Forward that they were open to changing their vote.

"I'm on the horns of an emotional dilemma," said June Fisher, 76, a member of the DNC from New Jersey who worked for several Democrats during a long career in politics and currently serves as a part-time special projects coordinator for Senator Bob Menendez. While Fisher originally endorsed Clinton after her initial choice, Senator Joseph Biden of Delaware, dropped out of the race, she said she was open to revisiting the decision - despite two phone calls from former president Bill Clinton, one in the past two weeks.

Local detractors will likely claim that this is a sign that "Boss" Bob's strength isn't what it used to be (or at least rumored to be). But I have a different take. This could be a sign that Menendez's commitment to a Clinton nomination, long assumed by many to be weak at best, is waning.

Bad news for the Clinton campaign, regardless of the explanation.

 

[AniHawk]

It would be great if all these super pledges could help take the wind out of her sails before Pennsylvania. Does Al Gore get a superdelegate vote? Richardson made a vague reference to someone in his shoes that had run for president to help unify the party or something on Olbermann... although he could've likely been referring to John Edwards.

 

[Amir0x]

It's good to get an update on the money situation between camps.

Obama raised $55 million in Feb, ended the month with $30 million (hey, he knows how to spend money wisely!).

Hillary raised an enormous $34.5 million... but with debts she had to pay, she ended up with only $3 million. And that's not even counting the money she lent to her own campaign - the $5 million - putting her at a whopping -$2 million were she to pay herself back at the start of March.

I know this is old news, but I didn't hear the specifics before. Just found it interesting.

 

[Farmboy]

It would be great if all these super pledges could help take the wind out of her sails before Pennsylvania. Does Al Gore get a superdelegate vote? Richardson made a vague reference to someone in his shoes that had run for president to help unify the party or something on Olbermann... although he could've likely been referring to John Edwards.

Gore's a super delegate, yeah. But I get the impression Richardson was talking about Edwards.

Sam Harris on Obama. Good to know a man I admire 'endorses' Obama in spite of the religious nonsense clouding the debate.

 

[Sule]

Timezones suck and these threads move too fast too keep up with after sleeping for 8 hours. Would anybody care to give an update on the rev. wright situation over there in the US? I just saw the campaign trail on CNN international and saw no mention of the rest of the youtube video. They just replayed the same short clips twice and kept ''asking'' if this would have any impact on Obama's campaign, yeah.

I've seen the video's and I can't say I don't agree with what he says. But is this enough, or has it been enough, to make the media change their coverage on this situation? Is the media obligated, from a moral standpoint, to change their coverage based on the context? CNN international hasn't changed their coverage so I guess it's still the same in the US?

Even after seeing the youtube video's and reading a couple of things about him I'm still not sure what to think of rev. wright. and frankly, I don't know how anyone who has only seen the 10 second clips would either.

 

[Amir0x]

The Wright scandal has been getting progressively less play in the past day(s). In its place, lots of little stories like Obama/Hillary/McCain's passport issue, some talking about the speeches Obama gave this week, some negativity surrounding Obama's "typical white person" comment, and the big story Richardson's endorsement. The last is a big positive for the Obama campaign especially.

 

[Sule]

The Wright scandal has been getting progressively less play in the past day(s). In its place, lots of little stories like Obama/Hillary/McCain's passport issue, some talking about the speeches Obama gave this week, some negativity surrounding Obama's "typical white person" comment, and the big story Richardson's endorsement. The last is a big positive for the Obama campaign especially.

''Typical American media'' I see. Yeah, I saw the live feed yesterday of the Richardson thing. Can't say I heard of him before that though. Will be interesting to see how much impact this will all have in the next primaries. There will no doubt be other ''big stories'' that surface by then that will make people forget about most of this. Thanks.

 

[Cheebs]

Can't say I heard of him before that though.

Never? Really? He was the biggest candidate in the primary next to the main 3 of Clinton, Obama, & Edwards.

 

[Clevinger]

Never? Really? He was the biggest candidate in the primary next to the main 3 of Clinton, Obama, & Edwards.

Yeah, but the list goes like this:

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2 Edwards
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[Amir0x]

Yeah, but the list goes like this:

1 Obama/Hillary
2 Edwards
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Richardson

recently his post-candidacy beard has made it like this:

0. Richardson's beard
1. Obama/Hillary
2. Edwards
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Richardson himself

 

[VanMardigan]

Richardson needs to lose some weight, since his girth is countering some of the awesomeness that his beard puts out.

 

[Amir0x]

Are you fucking nuts? His girth ENHANCES the sumptuousness of his beard

 

[gkryhewy]

Sam Harris on Obama. Good to know a man I admire 'endorses' Obama in spite of the religious nonsense clouding the debate.

Thanks for posting that.

Like every candidate, Obama must appeal to millions of voters who believe that without religion, most of us would spend our days raping and killing our neighbors and stealing their pornography.

:lol :lol

 

[Cheebs]

Richardson needs to lose some weight, since his girth is countering some of the awesomeness that his beard puts out.

he's always been fat. I doubt that will suddenly change

 

[Farmboy]

Richardson needs to lose some weight, since his girth is countering some of the awesomeness that his beard puts out.

Agreed. That, and I'd love for him to run in 2016.

 

[Amir0x]

man you guys, the best presidents were fat! or really fucking tall

This is a truth!

 

[Cheebs]

Agreed. That, and I'd love for him to run in 2016.

He is not going to run again. He is a smart experienced guy but a very bad candidate.

The only job I see him getting is he'll be Obama's Sec of State or he'll retire after this term as governer.

 

[Farmboy]

He is not going to run again.

And 2008 is all about Hillary vs. McCain.

 

[Sule]

Never? Really? He was the biggest candidate in the primary next to the main 3 of Clinton, Obama, & Edwards.

Unfortunately, I live in Europe. Unfortunately because I am not allowed to vote for Obama ;_; The media coverage of the American election here has always been about Hillary vs. Obama with an occasional mention of some guy called ''MuKane''.

 

[syllogism]

Footage of the greeting ceremony in Tuzla, Bosnia and an excerpt of her speech last week. Not sure if this was originally in the WP fact check article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

 

[J.ceaz]

MSNBC just had a really candid talk on race just now that really made me cringe. They were talking about the "typical white person" comment that Obama said and they were discussing the merits of being afraid of black people at night and it called to my inner demons of also being afraid of some black people at night. The only problem is that I'm black :/. what they didn't touch on that Obama said right after the "typical" comment was something along the lines of 'These are the expectations bred into our society that breed these reactions in us'. I've noticed this about myself before and always became dissapointed in myself. I remember a quote although I can't recall who said but it went something like 'Nothing makes me feel worse than to hear footsteps behind me and worry only to see that they are white and become relieved.' This just points out the silent biases in ourselves that often contribute to bring racial problems to a head.

 

[Amir0x]

THERE'S A BOMB STRAPPED TO THE LITTLE GIRL HOLY SHIT GET OUT OF THERE HILLARY

 

[Mandark]

I remember a quote although I can't recall who said but it went something like 'Nothing makes me feel worse than to hear footsteps behind me and worry only to see that they are white and become relieved.' This just points out the silent biases in ourselves that often contribute to bring racial problems to a head.

Jesse Jackson.


"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody White and feel relieved."

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Footage of the greeting ceremony in Tuzla, Bosnia and an excerpt of her speech last week. Not sure if this was originally in the WP fact check article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

and this is not getting media play?

 

[J.ceaz]

Jesse Jackson.


"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody White and feel relieved."

Thank you I'm making sure I remember that especially since I've recently taken a new respect for Jesse. I used to lump him together with the likes of Al Sharpton but after listening to him speak at the state of the black union I realized that he's alot better than Sharpton.

 

[Ripclawe]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/u...l=1&adxnnlx=1206194889-HHEcb264dp6xOk8HtjFWfQ

Mr. Richardson stopped returning Mr. Clinton’s calls days ago, Mr. Clinton’s aides said. And as of Friday, Mr. Richardson said, he had yet to pick up the phone to tell Mr. Clinton of his decision.

The reaction of some of Mr. Clinton’s allies suggests that might have been a wise decision. “An act of betrayal,” said James Carville, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton and a friend of Mr. Clinton.

“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.

Damn..... that ain't right even for Richardson

Scratch that. That is wrong for almost anyone.

 

[Suikoguy]

and this is not getting media play?

I am sadly starting to think it is the simple fact that the media does want to drag the primary out

 

[Suikoguy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/u...l=1&adxnnlx=1206194889-HHEcb264dp6xOk8HtjFWfQ



Damn..... that ain't right even for Richardson

Scratch that. That is wrong for almost anyone.

Are they trying to insinuate that he sold out? WTF?

 

[Tamanon]

Thank you I'm making sure I remember that especially since I've recently taken a new respect for Jesse. I used to lump him together with the likes of Al Sharpton but after listening to him speak at the state of the black union I realized that he's alot better than Sharpton.

To be fair, Sharpton's actually really good in his true element talking about religion and faith in society.

And Carville's hilarious. The sense of entitlement that follows the Clinton campaign is crazy.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/u...l=1&adxnnlx=1206194889-HHEcb264dp6xOk8HtjFWfQ



Damn..... that ain't right even for Richardson

Scratch that. That is wrong for almost anyone.

This is wrong in every way!

 

[DrForester]

Yeah, but the list goes like this:

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2 Edwards
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I think Stephen Colbert polled ahead of Richardson in a national poll during his short candidacy.

 

[J.ceaz]

To be fair, Sharpton's actually really good in his true element talking about religion and faith in society.

Yeah but he really does throw race around to much, many times when it's unwarranted. When I looked back at all the times the race card has been played Al has been alot more instrumental in it than Jesse and that does very little to race relations. Especially in a period where racial prejudices and biases are alot more nuanced then they used to be.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

this Judas thing is wrong, at least this man shows that he was not just a Clinton Yes Man

 

[Cheebs]

It's Carville, come on. He is infamous for being outrageous. He always is like this.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

this Judas thing is wrong, at least this man shows that he was not just a Clinton Yes Man

He said he did call her before he committed to Obama. So he did or he didn't?

 

[mashoutposse]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/u...l=1&adxnnlx=1206194889-HHEcb264dp6xOk8HtjFWfQ



Damn..... that ain't right even for Richardson

Scratch that. That is wrong for almost anyone.

Did he really just compare B. Richardson to Judas? :lol

If his endorsement is so insignificant, why were members of the Clinton camp making repeated calls this late in the game? Contradictions abound.

And you probably stay silent so as not to tip your hand. I doubt he wanted an "unnamed Clinton campaign source" breaking the news of his endorsement early.

 

[Tamanon]

He said he did call her before he committed to Obama. So he did or he didn't?

He did, Bill's aides are claiming he didn't call Bill.

 

[Cheebs]

Rassmussen has hillary ahead today 46-44. Old?

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

He did, Bill's aides are claiming he didn't call Bill.

I see.

shameful

 

[Bishman]

I usually do not like Al Sharpton but he made Fox News look like dumb asses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mlZeb2k8NA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85S0PIPv5Co

 

[gkryhewy]

It's Carville, come on. He is infamous for being outrageous. He always is like this.

Hillary Camp Defense Force unite!

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I usually do not like Al Sharpton but he made Fox News look like dumb asses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mlZeb2k8NA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85S0PIPv5Co

wow owned!

 

[DrForester]

It's Carville, come on. He is infamous for being outrageous. He always is like this.

He's the impish bald guy, right?

 

[syllogism]

Pat Buchanan: Slavery Best Thing Ever to Happen to Blacks

Perhaps not an entirely honest quote, but that's pretty much what he says. It's amazing he is allowed to be a commentator on the Wright issue.

 

[schuelma]

Pat Buchanan: Slavery Best Thing Ever to Happen to Blacks

Perhaps not an entirely honest quote, but that's pretty much what he says. It's amazing he is allowed to be a commentator on the Wright issue.

That's not an honest quote at all.

 

[impirius]

I usually do not like Al Sharpton but he made Fox News look like dumb asses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mlZeb2k8NA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85S0PIPv5Co

I love the little "bug" in the corner with Obama's face and "CAMPAIGN CRISIS?" fading back and forth

 

[maximum360]

Sharpton did own Fox big time (and I'm not a fan of Sharpton either). Sharpton's pretty much an opportunist.