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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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CowboyAstronaut
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Gaborn said:
Wasn't the poll done by CNN? Trust me they REALLY want Hilary as Obama's VP. :lol
DrForester
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So what did I miss? How did Hillary's event go (or was the event today private?)
And that discussion went on for pages and pages in the last thread.Gaborn said:
How is it surprising that half the democrats want her on the ticket? The primary just ended. This is the heat of the moment. Ask the same question in one week, after Clinton is backing Obama, and that number will go down. A month from now, and it will be way, way down.
And there's no way on earth she should be on the ticket. And her behavior over the past week is a prime example of the reasons why.
GhaleonEB said:
I agree that she shouldn't be on the ticket, and has shown bad temperament and a total classlessness at the end. What I wonder is if she's NOT on the ticket how many of her supporters will come out for Obama. I mean, hardly any will go for McCain obviously, but some of those radical feminists are craaaaaaaaaaaaazy. I think the CNN poll is interesting because it reflects a public sentiment among some democrats of a sort of... entitlement if you will, of the inevitability of a Clinton presence in Obama's administration (assuming he wins). I'm not sure that mentality translates well to what could be perceived by them as a snub.
The Lamonster
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Fucking CNN is pushing this Clinton VP thing wayyyy too hard.CowboyAstronaut said:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/06/voteboths-petition-draws-thousands/
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/06/majority-of-dems-want-clinton-to-be-vp-2/
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...erybody-needs-to-settle-down-about-vp-choice/
Bear in mind that most of her supporters are die-hard Democrats. Women voters are among the most reliable of the Democratic base. Passions are high right now, but odds of any kind of significant push away from Obama are very, very low. A big variable is what Clinton does. If she pushes for Obama in a graceful way (the opposite of what she's done since Tuesday) and sustains it, the hostilities will heal over quickly. A month from now, this will be a distant memory.Gaborn said:
It's drama. With her in the picture, veepstakes are just an extention of the primary, and the media looooooved the long primary. It's exactly for this reason that I'm not hopeful they'll actually start treating McCain's numerous fuck-ups with anything approaching how they treat Obama's; they have a vested interest in keeping it close.The Lamonster said:
The only thing the poll proves is that Hillary is a very high profile Democrat with an obviously known interest for being in the White House.Gaborn said:
The only debatably interesting point is the 24% who, mere days after Obama clinched the nomination, still want Hillary on the ticket by any means necessary. Most of those are like Dems that swore they'd move to Canada if Bush won. It's empty reactionary talk that will dissipate given time and thought.
CowboyAstronaut
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEG_z3NCf8s
You guys see this add attacking Obama from the Republicans?
They even claim Obama's foreign policy advisor defended the man that shot Ronald Reagan?
It's a counter to Moveon.org's ad singling out someone that needs to be fired from McCain's campaign.
You guys see this add attacking Obama from the Republicans?
They even claim Obama's foreign policy advisor defended the man that shot Ronald Reagan?
It's a counter to Moveon.org's ad singling out someone that needs to be fired from McCain's campaign.
BenjaminBirdie
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CowboyAstronaut said:
There are going to be a LOT of problems with that guy. He's Mika's dad, you know.
CowboyAstronaut
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"Is this the guy advising Obama on Venezuela and Iran policy?"
Pretty effective ad on their part, but there is a bright side here. I think as the Republicans ratchet up their negative ads, ones more specifically targeted at Obama himself, his support will grow even stronger as it will reinforce the same corrupt Government establishments that haven't gotten anything done, going after Obama in the same destructive ways they've gone after people in the past.
CNN brought up a damn good point. If they had Chelsea campaigning for Obama, that would actually help him a great deal and reinforce Hilary's faith in him.
Pretty effective ad on their part, but there is a bright side here. I think as the Republicans ratchet up their negative ads, ones more specifically targeted at Obama himself, his support will grow even stronger as it will reinforce the same corrupt Government establishments that haven't gotten anything done, going after Obama in the same destructive ways they've gone after people in the past.
CNN brought up a damn good point. If they had Chelsea campaigning for Obama, that would actually help him a great deal and reinforce Hilary's faith in him.
Stumpokapow
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CowboyAstronaut said:
That's actually surprisingly astute. I mean, that's a remarkably good idea. Plus, Chelsea is incredibly insulated from Republican criticism due to McCain's little Chelsea situation all those years ago, so it's pretty much just free good PR.
CowboyAstronaut
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http://meetbarackobama.com/
Wow and Hilary's commander in chief comment is front and center!
Republicans couldn't wait to use that nugget. Pointing out that McCain is a better President.
There is even a counter on how many days it's been since Obama has visited Iraq :lol
Man this is a nasty one. Republicans have finally started.
Democrats vs Obama.
http://www.gop.com/DVO/
Hilary is first up in this video :lol
This stuff will only please those that already didn't like nor cared to vote for Obama. It wont have much impact.
Wow and Hilary's commander in chief comment is front and center!
Republicans couldn't wait to use that nugget. Pointing out that McCain is a better President.
There is even a counter on how many days it's been since Obama has visited Iraq :lol
Man this is a nasty one. Republicans have finally started.
Democrats vs Obama.
http://www.gop.com/DVO/
Hilary is first up in this video :lol
This stuff will only please those that already didn't like nor cared to vote for Obama. It wont have much impact.
ViperVisor
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Holy Jesus Dick. Media's stupid as shit obsession to cover Obama NON STOP. Can he get... Can he fix... Can he... Can he... Can he...
FUCK ME!
FUCK ME!
CowboyAstronaut
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Also, if done correctly, Hilary's endorsement will give Obama a significant boost which should be immediately noticeable in polls versus McCain.
Bill Clinton, for as much as he screwed up Hilary's campaign is actually, in my opinion, directly responsible for the way she was able to win the last remaining states the way she did.
He will be a big help for Obama since he wont be nearly as emotionally involved in this one as he was for his wife. Just him going around and campaigning for Obama will help him. He doesn't even need to talk much about Obama, just point out why it's important to get a democrat into that white house.
Bill Clinton, for as much as he screwed up Hilary's campaign is actually, in my opinion, directly responsible for the way she was able to win the last remaining states the way she did.
He will be a big help for Obama since he wont be nearly as emotionally involved in this one as he was for his wife. Just him going around and campaigning for Obama will help him. He doesn't even need to talk much about Obama, just point out why it's important to get a democrat into that white house.
soul creator
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Suikoguy said:
zing
polyh3dron
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Yeah, Obama should be pimping out Chelsea. :lolCowboyAstronaut said:
CowboyAstronaut said:
I wonder if Bill is sorta obligated to campaign for him after his destructiveness in the primary. Did he wind up campaigning for Al Gore? There was bad blood there, too (mostly between Gore and Hillary). And then there's the option that Barack might not want Bill or Hillary to do much more than ask them to get their supporters on his side.
polyh3dron
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Al Gore made a conscious effort to "distance" himself from Bill Clinton, likely due to the whole Monica Lewinsky thing. He also went to great lengths to display a good relationship with his wife, effectively saying that he's not going to cheat on her like Bill did with his wife.AniHawk said:
The Librarian
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So where's Obama going to be in Raleigh, exactly?
Deus Ex Machina
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Is Obama's IQ The Highest Certified Of Any President Ever?
The former Guidance Counselor of Obama's private Hawaiian school has supplied The Washington Post with a certified copy of Obama's Stanford-Banai IQ Certification, one of which was taken in 1966 when he was a kinder gardener in Hawaii before moving to Indonesia, and one which was taken as entrance protocol as a freshman in his private (extremely exclusive) Honolulu private high school.
His IQ was clocked at 172 and 166 respectively (IQ's normally have a fluctuation of 6 or 7 points from test to test so that discrepancy is normal).
That puts Obama in the certifiable clinical genius category.
Obama's campaign is apparently NOT HAPPY about The Washington Post preparing to disclose this, because they fear it adds to his reputation as not an "everyman" and being too "professorial".
But that aside...if elected, does this make Obama, the retainer of the highest certified IQ of any president in American history?
The former Guidance Counselor of Obama's private Hawaiian school has supplied The Washington Post with a certified copy of Obama's Stanford-Banai IQ Certification, one of which was taken in 1966 when he was a kinder gardener in Hawaii before moving to Indonesia, and one which was taken as entrance protocol as a freshman in his private (extremely exclusive) Honolulu private high school.
His IQ was clocked at 172 and 166 respectively (IQ's normally have a fluctuation of 6 or 7 points from test to test so that discrepancy is normal).
That puts Obama in the certifiable clinical genius category.
Obama's campaign is apparently NOT HAPPY about The Washington Post preparing to disclose this, because they fear it adds to his reputation as not an "everyman" and being too "professorial".
But that aside...if elected, does this make Obama, the retainer of the highest certified IQ of any president in American history?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
GhaleonEB said:
He called Obama to congratulate him a few days ago and reiterate that he does not want any government job. His official stance is that he will endorse, but he has no time frame for it and I don't think he's planning on actively campaigning.
polyh3dron
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Only in America would a high IQ be a BAD thing.
DrForester
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Gore endorsement is probably a nice one to save should they need to move the spotlight off something negative if it comes up.
DrForester
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We should do an official prediction thread, open it for 1 week, archive it, then see who wins in November.
This from the country that elected George W. Bush. I still remember the interviews with his supporters saying they liked the way he spoke because he talked like "one of us". Because the leader of the country should have the IQ of your sub-average moron off the street.Kaeru said:
Like others said, only in America is being a certifiable genius a liability.
:facepalm
MCCAIN: PLEASE STOP RIPPING OFF OBAMA'S SLOGAN WITH EVERY NEW THING YOU COME UP WITHNazgul_Hunter said:
Deus Ex Machina said:
Highest certified probably. I do wonder though what Jefferson's IQ was for example. Still, it's amazing the coverage he's getting, I mean, seriously, has any other candidate received THIS MUCH favorable coverage for this long? (yes, I know the smear campaign by the Republicans, but there is really no comparison to the media love fest)
Hellsing321
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So sad, but so true.polyh3dron said:
Tamanon said:
No, I'm not ignoring it. What I'm saying is that yes, Obama's taken a little flack for the Reverend Wright situation, and I mean, every candidate is going to take their knocks. STILL, even with negative stories popping up, what other candidate has been compared by the media to JFK, MLK, had his IQ mentioned, I mean... come on. I'm saying that no other candidate has received as MUCH positive coverage without a huge amount of negative coverage, not that he hasn't had negative coverage, but compared to the other candidates? Please.
McCain is mostly being ignored by the media while they cover Obama, the last time they really took a serious look at him was when the story about his rumored romantic relationship with the lobbyist was revealed.
Guess - I'm downplaying nothing about Obama's IQ. It's impressive if it's accurate but it's just a number, and we usually don't get a candidate's IQ either way. I care more about what a candidate has done and will do (policy wise) than how intelligent they are.
ViperVisor
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Jimmy Carter's IQ the current best?
GhaleonEB said:
Ummm... maybe on Fox News, but from what I can tell the rest of the media has moved on with most of their coverage.
Hitokage - What you're saying doesn't even make sense. A man can be incredibly smart and work in a low paying job as a janitor, or can be in some high level business job or a doctor or lawyer or... well any position in society. Intellect, while a useful tool doesn't matter, it's what you do with it.
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