• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)

Status
Not open for further replies.

ZealousD

Makes world leading predictions like "The sun will rise tomorrow"
What the hell?

When did this atrocity happen?

2uy1wdx.jpg


hra59c.jpg
 
mckmas8808 said:
Oh shit son!!!! I'm getting dis bitch! I need to sell my Mogul. You say this coming out in October?

Last thread hijack: Yes, rumor has it as an October release. Hopefully with the iPhone as some competition, it will force Sprint and Verizon to keep the price down. The specs are sweet and it should to Sprint as is but Verizon is selling out by going with a slower processor (400 MHz for Verizon while it's 528 MHz for Sprint). Also, Verizon limited the ram as well (I think to 192 MBs vs. 256 for Sprint). Not sure if Verizon will do as they normally do and lock down anything else.
 

Gaborn

Member
Hitokage said:
That wasn't a statement on taxes, it was a statement on honesty. Of course, the soundbyte always says different.

Sure, that's the point. It's a matter of perception. Bush created a narrative that he wouldn't raise taxes, and he failed to live up to it. Mondale tried to create a narrative on honesty and ended up creating a narrative that he'd definitely raise taxes whereas Reagan MAY have, and I think that hurt Mondale more than anything.

edit - I actually think Kwame's difficulties help Obama in Michigan. Kwame has been a total embarassment and disaster to Detroit, but that makes people more angry, hurt, and embarrassed than apathetic. It helps to engage and energize the black community to try to see if there is some way to get out of this disaster. I ultimately believe that Michigan will be an extremely close state, closer than it even usually is but it won't be because of Kwame.
 

Diablos

Member
mj1108 said:
The only reason it gives the media "justification" to make it a story is they know the average idiot won't realize that she said that when she was campaigning against Obama. So in turn they use it to keep the race close.
They will when the GOP shoves it down their throats during every commercial break in the fall.
 

Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
Diablos said:
Hmm, some people are trying to say Kwame Kilpatrick could cost Obama Michigan.

Democrats are largely in power in Michigan and the bad shit has happened under their watch. Not to mention Kwame is a fucking imbecile. Not to mention there wasn't a need to put offices there to campaign.
 
Hitokage said:
If SD doesn't post again it's my fault, and I never intended for it. So yeah, APF was actually right.

He's complaining at the other place but he'll be back for more abuse, don't worry; seems like unbanning him made him more angry because now he can't throw a huge tantrum :p :lol

Cohen beats Tinkner in one of the more interesting primary races
Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) overwhelmingly defeated attorney Nikki Tinker in a racially-charged Democratic primary in Memphis that received national attention.

With 89 percent of precincts reporting, Cohen leads Tinker by a 60-point margin – 79 to 19 percent. The AP has called the race for Cohen.

Entering the race, Cohen faced the challenge of being the only white congressman representing a majority African-American Congressional district. He only won in 2006 with a 31 percent plurality, aided by a crowded field of African-American candidates splitting the black vote.

And Tinker, who is black, sought to make Cohen’s race and religion (he’s Jewish) a central part of her candidacy, airing two ads in the final week questioning his racial tolerance and religious convictions.

One ad featured Cohen alongside a hooded Klansman, criticizing him for voting against removing a statue of Klan founder Nathaniel Bedford Forrest from a local park.

A second ad rebuked the Jewish congressman for "praying in our churches" while casting a vote that opposed prayer in schools.

But Cohen’s sizable victory suggests that Memphis voters, both black and white, resoundingly rejected Tinker’s campaign tactics.

Tinker’s campaign drew condemnation from several leading Democratic figures. Her most high-profile supporter, the feminist group EMILY’s List, called the ads “offensive and divisive.” Barack Obama also waded into the primary, calling her campaign tactics “incendiary.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0808/Cohen_holds_commanding_lead_over_Tinker.html?showall

Hopefully people will send a similar message to McCain in November; not concerning racism but his absolutely retarded and divisive ads
 

GhaleonEB

Member
I'm glad Cohen won. His challenger was running a really sleazy campaign.

Also, Chuck Todd was right. He predicted McCain would return the money Harry Sargeant had rounded up for him by Friday, and McCain just announced he would (~$40k).
 

thefit

Member
GhaleonEB said:
I'm glad Cohen won. His challenger was running a really sleazy campaign.

Also, Chuck Todd was right. He predicted McCain would return the money Harry Sargeant had rounded up for him by Friday, and McCain just announced he would (~$40k).

They should add the same pressure on McCain about magically getting a boost in contributions from big oil around the same time he decided to flip on offshore drilling.
 
Agent Icebeezy said:
Democrats are largely in power in Michigan and the bad shit has happened under their watch. Not to mention Kwame is a fucking imbecile. Not to mention there wasn't a need to put offices there to campaign.

Michigan is a disaster this year for the Dems. It's a shame because Michigan should be a lock but instead it's being put in the slightly lean Dem to swing state. Obama needs to put a ton of money in Michigan to make up for the incompetence of the democratic leadership there.

If Obama picks up all the Kerry states (thus holding Michigan in a squeaker), I think he has a good shot at IA, NM, and slightly edge out McCain in Denver and VA. If Bayh is the #2, Indiana is definitely in play as well. All this is just pure optimism though. The race will get nasty in October and I expect a lot of people to either be demoralized. A reasonable country would be disgusted by the Karl Rove type tactics but thisisamericadude.gif
 
Pressure to Donate to Romney Alleged in Complaint
Fired Executive Says
Refusal of Requests
From CEO Played Role
By JOANN S. LUBLIN and MARY JACOBY
August 7, 2008; Page A4

(See Corrections & Amplifications item below.)

A former executive who says his boss pressured him to contribute to Republican Mitt Romney's presidential campaign has filed an employment-bias complaint that offers a rare glimpse behind the curtain of big-money corporate fund raising.
[Mitt Romney]

Richard Pimentel, a former executive of Huron Consulting Group Inc., contends he lost his job as a financial-management consultant partly in retaliation for refusing the chief executive's repeated calls to contribute to the former Massachusetts governor's bid for the Republican presidential nomination.

The company denies that charge. But officials confirm the authenticity of emails showing that the CEO of the Chicago-based corporate consulting firm, Gary E. Holdren, repeatedly linked his requests for donations to Huron's business prospects. The emails were provided to The Wall Street Journal by Mr. Pimentel.

"This is not about me trying to force a political candidate on you and trying to see how you vote," Mr. Holdren wrote in one email, dated Jan. 27, 2008, to Huron managing directors, the firm's senior executives. "This is just business and the way business works."

In another email, dated Sept. 21, 2007, Mr. Holdren wrote, "I wanted to thank all of you who contributed to Mitt Romney. You can't realize how much leverage this gives Huron going forward to ask various people for business."

Other emails from Mr. Holdren refer to conversations with Mr. Romney, deals Huron supposedly won from Romney supporters at other firms and promises to reward Huron executives with "business for your contributions."
EMAILS

[open emails]
Read the emails Gary Holdren sent to Huron employees.

Mr. Romney received at least $92,000 in contributions from Huron executives, Federal Election Commission records show. That compares with $27,000 in donations to Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic campaign for president; nearly $8,000 to his former rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York; and less than $4,000 to John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.

In a statement, Huron said that the emails represented a "personal request" for voluntary contributions and that no executives benefited from or were punished for their responses. The firm added that such requests "are common in companies and organizations across America." Mr. Holdren, also the firm's chairman and president, was unreachable for comment, an aide said Wednesday.

In a June 13 letter, an outside attorney for Huron said it was still investigating Mr. Pimentel's allegations. The attorney didn't return calls Wednesday asking for comment.

A spokesman for Mr. Romney said in an email that the campaign hadn't heard of the situation and wasn't a party to those emails. "If anyone at Huron Consulting felt pressured to contribute, we stand ready to refund the donations if requested," he wrote. Since ending his own presidential bid in February, Mr. Romney has campaigned extensively on behalf of Sen. McCain and is frequently mentioned as a possible vice-presidential candidate on the ticket.

In an election cycle in which presidential candidates have raised a record $1.2 billion so far, the emails underscore the corporate horse trading that can lie behind fund raising. Company executives may view political contributions as a way to build influence, strengthen business relationships and increase revenue.

Among the biggest reasons people give to campaigns is business reasons, or because a friend asked them to, says Stephen Weissman of the nonpartisan Campaign Finance Institute in Washington. He said his research suggests corporate executives frequently donate to help their businesses.
[fund flows]

Asking management colleagues for donations isn't illegal, as long as nobody is forced to contribute. Findings of coercion are rare. Executives may grumble, but some may see donations as the price to keep a boss happy, Mr. Weissman and others say.

Mr. Pimentel, 65 years old, raised his charges in an age-bias complaint filed last month with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. It claims Huron dismissed Mr. Pimentel because of his age, and as retaliation after he had informed his immediate boss that "I was not comfortable with Mr. Holdren's numerous requests" for Romney contributions.

In an interview Tuesday, Mr. Pimentel said he felt that requesting political donations "is not something a CEO of a public company should do." He claimed he was one of Huron's best-performing managing directors, earning about $600,000 a year at the time he lost his California job. He now works for a rival consultancy.

Mr. Holdren, 58, founded Huron in 2002 with other former partners of Arthur Andersen LLP, after the once-venerable audit firm collapsed amid accounting scandals. He took the firm public in 2004; it was named the fastest-growing company in America by Entrepreneur magazine in 2005.

In his emails soliciting donations, Mr. Holdren mentioned the importance of gaining attention and business for the young firm, writing in September that a Romney donation "is some of the best practice-development money Huron could spend."

One issue Mr. Holdren raised was Huron's dealings with Dan Dumezich, a tax lawyer at Mayer Brown in Chicago. "He has given Huron a large JP Morgan tax case and he is a young mover and shaker at Mayer Brown," Mr. Holdren wrote in a Jan. 27 email in which he asked Huron executives to attend a fund-raising event on Feb. 1 hosted by Mr. Dumezich's law firm.

Mr. Dumezich was one of Mr. Romney's top fund-raisers until the candidate dropped out of the presidential race in February.

"You often contribute based on which friend asked you to," said Mr. Dumezich, in response to queries about Mr. Holdren's email.

Mr. Dumezich said that he had known Mr. Holdren for 20 years, and that Mayer Brown had used Huron for litigation support and consulting services. Mr. Dumezich said the business dealings had nothing to do with the pair's support for Mr. Romney. "I don't think our business turns on anything but getting the best people to do the work," said Mr. Dumezich.

In his Jan. 27 email, Mr. Holdren also said that Mr. Romney had personally called to ask his help in raising money, and that "I soon received a third call from Muneer Satter at Goldman Sachs asking for my help in raising more funds" for Mr. Romney.

Mr. Satter is a managing director at the Wall Street firm.

"I again reminded Muneer that I couldn't make any promises, but business from Goldman Sachs would be well appreciated, and that I hope he knows that I am going to call him and his partners in the future asking for business from Goldman," Mr. Holdren wrote.

Goldman Sachs said: "Mr. Satter did not personally raise any money from Mr. Holdren nor does he have a business or personal relationship with him. Furthermore, he has never given any business to Huron Consulting."

--T.W. Farnam contributed to this article.

Write to Joann S. Lublin at joann.lublin@wsj.com and Mary Jacoby at mary.jacoby@wsj.com

Corrections & Amplifications

A former executive of Huron Consulting Group Inc. has filed an employment-bias complaint alleging pressure to donate to Republican Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. A Campaign '08 headline in a previous version of this article incorrectly referred to the filing as a lawsuit.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121806644837018651.html?mod=hps_us_inside_today

I wonder if this will affect Romney's VP prospects.
 
Got this from Politico:

Let us not forget Governor Mitt Romney?s words about Senator John McCain while being interviewed by Hannity and Colmes on Fox during the GOP?s presidential primary back in February of 2008: ROMNEY: Well, I think it's going to change a lot of people's opinion about the Straight-Talk Express, which is what he's been selling for some years that he's a straight-talker, and he tells it like it is. I think people recognize that he'll say anything to get the presidency. It's been something that he's been campaigning for well, probably a decade or more, and it's within his grasp almost. And then all of a sudden this guy Mitt Romney stands up and I'm in his way. And he's going to say whatever he has to, and not just doing something that was inaccurate, but doing it at the last possible minute in a state where there's a big military component, was frankly -- He also made fun of congress for taking 5 wks vacation this summer --- with his 26 years in congress, he has accumulated over 2 and a half years of vacation (just for summer ones) paid for by tax payers.

This would be a great attack ad (if someone can find the video).
 
I'm really tired of journalists, reporters, and pundits claiming that Obama can win in some swing states if Obama "energizes" the black vote. I don't think the Obama camp cares what they look like as long as they can register these people to vote (and preferably for Obama). Besides that, Joe Democrat normally gets a huge percentage of the black vote anyway. They also fail to mention that Obama is investing 20 million dollars into "energizing" the Latino vote.
 

Tom_Cody

Member
Diablos said:
Hmm, some people are trying to say Kwame Kilpatrick could cost Obama Michigan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZNvC_-RW2Q
(full video)http://www.dptv.org/ondemand/dec/decvod062407.shtml

Kwame Kilpatrick is such an embarrassment to the entire country. I certainly don't think it's fair to link him to Obama, but I don't understand why there hasn't been more pressure on a national level to get him out of office. I'm really amazed the RNC isn't using Kilpatrick to attack Democrats for not speaking against him.
 

Amory

Member
I can't remember back in 2004, did they wait so long to choose running mates? I was thinking about it yesterday and damn, the election is in 3 months and they haven't announced their choice yet?

Anyway. McCain. I like the guy, I like his policies, I like the fact that he has so much experience. I don't think anyone knows enough about Obama for him to be elected leader of this country, it feels like he literally came out of nowhere.

In any case, either of them are better than Hillary. But, choosing McCain.

Edit: Also, I'm really starting to get tired of the fact that Obama is more of a celebrity than a candidate for presidency during one of the most difficult times in American history. People need to look past the youth and charm of the guy. If he wins the election I feel like a lot of it will be based solely in charisma, and that's just not the way to elect a leader.
 

Diablos

Member
Agent Icebeezy said:
Democrats are largely in power in Michigan and the bad shit has happened under their watch. Not to mention Kwame is a fucking imbecile. Not to mention there wasn't a need to put offices there to campaign.
Well, Kerry barely won Michigan last time, so any little thing could flip it.

Oh boy.
 

Azih

Member
XCell9200 said:
I don't think anyone knows enough about Obama for him to be elected leader of this country
Dude there's so much information about Obama's entire life and career out there that I know more about him than I know about my mother.

Also just because someone is popular doesn't mean that they don't have substance. That's the faulty logic that McCain is basing his entire campaign around at the moment.
 

Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
XCell9200 said:
Edit: Also, I'm really starting to get tired of the fact that Obama is more of a celebrity than a candidate for presidency during one of the most difficult times in American history. People need to look past the youth and charm of the guy. If he wins the election I feel like a lot of it will be based solely in charisma, and that's just not the way to elect a leader.


New to politics?
 

Diablos

Member
XCell9200 said:
Edit: Also, I'm really starting to get tired of the fact that Obama is more of a celebrity than a candidate for presidency during one of the most difficult times in American history. People need to look past the youth and charm of the guy. If he wins the election I feel like a lot of it will be based solely in charisma, and that's just not the way to elect a leader.
Um, McCain's campaign has basically been nothing but ripping on Obama. Obama is actually spending time talking about things he cares about. It is not based solely in charisma. It's just that McCain has none and is an awful communicator.

Your post reeks of regurgitated talking points from right-wing pundits. Pay more attention.

Fuck, the way people pay attention to politics in this country...

2usk3ua.png
 

Tamanon

Banned
XCell9200 said:
I can't remember back in 2004, did they wait so long to choose running mates? I was thinking about it yesterday and damn, the election is in 3 months and they haven't announced their choice yet?

Anyway. McCain. I like the guy, I like his policies, I like the fact that he has so much experience. I don't think anyone knows enough about Obama for him to be elected leader of this country, it feels like he literally came out of nowhere.

In any case, either of them are better than Hillary. But, choosing McCain.

Edit: Also, I'm really starting to get tired of the fact that Obama is more of a celebrity than a candidate for presidency during one of the most difficult times in American history. People need to look past the youth and charm of the guy. If he wins the election I feel like a lot of it will be based solely in charisma, and that's just not the way to elect a leader.

Did you flag this comment for points?:p
 

GhaleonEB

Member
XCell9200 said:
Edit: Also, I'm really starting to get tired of the fact that Obama is more of a celebrity than a candidate for presidency during one of the most difficult times in American history. People need to look past the youth and charm of the guy. If he wins the election I feel like a lot of it will be based solely in charisma, and that's just not the way to elect a leader.
Don't buy the celebrity line for a second. Obama built a tremendous grass-roots organization from scratch, and Obama supporters are generally much more enthusiastic about him than McCain's are about him. The celebrity line is McCain's way of trying to make that a liability, rather than an asset. Obama finished paying off his student loans about six years ago. McCain? Well....

Which presidential candidate hosted Saturday Night Live (hint -- the musical guests were The White Stripes)?

Which one had cameos on "24" and "Wedding Crashers"?

Whose wife secretly got her pilot's license and owns a jet?

Who is pals with Warren Beatty?

Whose daughter is friends with Heidi from MTV's The Hills?

Whose wife once told Vogue, explaining the purchase of a 7th or 8th house, this one a beach house, "When I bought the first one, my husband, who is not a beach person, said, 'Oh this is such a waste of money; the kids will never go. Then it got to the point where they used it so much I couldn't get in the place. So I bought another one.”

Whose family credit cards have been known to ring up more than $500,000 in charges in one month?

Just askin'…
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/the-elitist-cel.html
 

Amory

Member
I'm well aware I'm going to get ripped to shreds in this forum for supporting the GOP candidate. Especially supporting him against obama, that borders on blasphemy at this point.

Why? Well I don't want anything resembling socialized healthcare, simply because I won't use it and therefore don't want to pay the ridiculous amount it's going to cost. And please, no one tell me he's going to figure out a way to minimize the cost of it. Because its bull and everyone knows it. The upper tax bracket is paying 40% of their salary to the government. I mean, how much more does everyone really expect them to give?

I don't like Obama's troop withdrawal plan, and I'm not gonna spill any lines like "We need to stay there until the job is done!" or anything like that. I just think we need to keep a strong presence in the middle east.

Anyway, I'm 20. I don't pretend to know everything about politics, and I don't hate Barack Obama. From what I've personally seen, I just think McCain is the better choice.
 

syllogism

Member
XCell9200 said:
I'm well aware I'm going to get ripped to shreds in this forum for supporting the GOP candidate. Especially supporting him against obama, that borders on blasphemy at this point.

Why? Well I don't want anything resembling socialized healthcare, simply because I won't use it and therefore don't want to pay the ridiculous amount it's going to cost. And please, no one tell me he's going to figure out a way to minimize the cost of it. Because its bull and everyone knows it. The upper tax bracket is paying 40% of their salary to the government. I mean, how much more does everyone really expect them to give?

I don't like Obama's troop withdrawal plan, and I'm not gonna spill any lines like "We need to stay there until the job is done!" or anything like that. I just think we need to keep a strong presence in the middle east.

Anyway, I'm 20. I don't pretend to know everything about politics, and I don't hate Barack Obama. From what I've personally seen, I just think McCain is the better choice.
Well those are fairly acceptable reasons for supporting Mccain, the previous "hurr not ready to lead, who is this guy" bullshit is not
 

Tamanon

Banned
At least you gave policy reasons this time, although we certainly will have a major presence in the Middle East even with Obama. We owe too much money not to.
 
XCell9200 said:
Why? Well I don't want anything resembling socialized healthcare, simply because I won't use it and therefore don't want to pay the ridiculous amount it's going to cost.

You really think you're going to have the foot the bill for health care? Anyway, neither candidate is offering socialized healthcare anyway, it won't require the huge funding that universal single payer healthcare would.

You should really educate yourself tbqh.
 

guess

Member
XCell9200 said:
I'm well aware I'm going to get ripped to shreds in this forum for supporting the GOP candidate. Especially supporting him against obama, that borders on blasphemy at this point.

I'm sure supporting the GOP candidate is not the problem. You won't get "ripped to shreds" for that.

But making posts like this...

XCell9200 said:
Also, I'm really starting to get tired of the fact that Obama is more of a celebrity than a candidate for presidency during one of the most difficult times in American history. People need to look past the youth and charm of the guy. If he wins the election I feel like a lot of it will be based solely in charisma, and that's just not the way to elect a leader.
 

Keylime

ÏÎ¯Î»Ï á¼Î¾ÎµÏÎγλοÏÏον καί ÏεÏδολÏγον οá½Îº εἰÏÏν
Tamanon said:
And McCain's going up with yet another purely negative ad, shockingly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWXqpHEsrxc
Holy fuck...what the fucking hell is this ad even referencing? This shit infuriates me to no end.

People need to know that under Obama, their taxes will be LOWER than with McCain. Obama raises taxes on rich people.

Where the hell did this $42,000 shit and seniors shit come from?

Fucking Republican idiots, if they slip through this election somehow and win... Holy shit will my opinion of the average American dip even further.
 

syllogism

Member
RubxQub said:
Holy fuck...what the fucking hell is this ad even referencing? This shit infuriates me to no end.

People need to know that under Obama, their taxes will be LOWER than with McCain. Obama raises taxes on rich people.

Where the hell did this $42,000 shit and seniors shit come from?

Fucking Republican idiots, if they slip through this election somehow and win... Holy shit will my opinion of the average American dip even further.

He voted for a non-binding budget resolution that didn't actually raise or lower taxes.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_32000_question.html
 

GhaleonEB

Member
Tamanon said:
Obama's Olympics ad, or first one is up.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid1717903009

Positive energy ad.
That's one of the best ads of the entire cycle. Really well done.

And McCain's going up with yet another purely negative ad, shockingly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWXqpHEsrxc
And that's one of the sleaziest. I kind of expected McCain to run negative shit during the Olympics, but that's still disappointing. McCain is such trash these days.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom