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[PhoenixDark]

From NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro
Recently, the Democratic National Committee has referred to "Exxon-McCain '08," hitting the presumptive GOP nominee for his ties to the oil and gas industry.

But that particular hit might not be that fair. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Obama has actually raised more money from Exxon than McCain has. "Through June," the center writes, "Exxon employees have given Obama $42,100 to McCain's $35,166. Chevron favors Obama $35,157 to $28,500, and Obama edges out McCain with BP $16,046 vs. $11,500."

But: "McCain leads the money race with nearly every other top giver in the oil and gas industry, though -- Koch Industries, Valero, Marathon Oil, Occidental Petroleum, ConocoPhillips, the list goes on... McCain also has a big edge with Hess Corp. -- $91,000 to Obama's $8,000 -- which has gotten some attention. And, overall, McCain's campaign has gotten three times more money from the industry than Obama's has -- $1.3 million compared to about $394,000."

It's also worth noting the differences in how much the Republican National Committee has gotten versus the DNC. (Here's the center's spreadsheet.)
-- ExxonMobil has given $21,195 to the RNC versus $708 for the DNC.
-- Chevron has given $106,9000 to the RNC and $210 to the DNC.

For the 20 oil and gas companies the center looked at, they gave $389,735 to the RNC in total and $51,168 to the DNC.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

 

[ronito]

So I guess we aren't learning the VP picks before the Olympics

Am I the only one shocked by this?

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

The only way the deal works out is if the conditions on the ground are safe enough for troops to withdraw. Still a fundamental difference between Bush/McCain and Obama's plan.

 

[Particle Physicist]

If it means our boys and girls are coming home finally, I'm all for it. I wonder if McCain will now say that the people who agreed to this don't know the facts on the ground.

he'll probably talk about how his support for the surge was able to accomplish this.. and try to spin it as if he somehow was the reason behind this.

 

[mckmas8808]

very true though reading the article it does say theres a clause there that the United States can stay longer if they determine its needed.

It really is just a political move to try and take a point from Obama. Will be interesting to see how this is recieved in the press

But again that's the samething Obama has been saying too. He's not going to get out without care for what's happening on the ground.

 

[maynerd]

he'll probably talk about how his support for the surge was able to accomplish this.. and try to spin it as if he somehow was the reason behind this.

He's been kinda saying this for a while now.

 

[Particle Physicist]

He's been kinda saying this for a while now.

i know. he'll just continue pushing that. not much else he can do.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

Wasn't this discussed awhile back? Obama receiving donations from employees doesn't seem to be a problem compared to McCain being lobbied or accepting donations from oil executives.

 

[Tamanon]

Plus those donations are rather close, that's not really showing a big difference. That's pretty much in line with the electorate. Now the Hess ones are really lopsided. As are the RNC/DNC ones.

 

[grandjedi6]

Am I the only one shocked by this?

No I am too. The only other choices for Obama to announce now is either during the Olympics or at the Convention. Both of which were against common thought a few weeks ago.

 

[Fragamemnon]

Going after rank and file employees at a large company generally isn't fair.
Going after management and excecutives with large amounts of options available is a bit more fair.

 

[maynerd]

Am I the only one shocked by this?

He's gonna shock the world when he announces who it is!

 

[Tamanon]

Don't make me buy ObamaTamanon08.com. Most fun ticket name to pronounce ever!

 

[maximum360]

Damn it! Im on my Sprint Mogul. The link is on Drudge.com.

OT: Try Netfront Beta or Opera Beta. They are much better browsers than the standard IE. Also, are you picking up the Touch Pro? (I'm passing on the Mogul to my wife. )

 

[Door2Dawn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX5u69hmzY&eurl=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/


This was pretty painful to watch.

 

[Tamanon]

Bill Clinton to speak at the DNC on Wednesday apparently.

 

[GhaleonEB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX5u69hmzY&eurl=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/


This was pretty painful to watch.

:lol :lol :lol

Epic.

"The Iraq-Pakistan border."

"WHAT."

 

[Tamanon]

I just can't even see McCain as a President, he justs seems so unpresidential.

 

[grandjedi6]

Bill Clinton to speak at the DNC on Wednesday apparently.

Do we even have a full speakers list for the convention yet?

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

I just can't even see McCain as a President, he justs seems so unpresidential.

After 8 years of a president who chokes on pretzels and walks into doors I'm not sure anyone could appear less presidential.

 

[The Chosen One]

re: Joe Watkins

Yeah I don't get why this guy can be a preacher and tell obvious distortions in the name of being a Republican strategist. He's so consistently on message and never gives an inch. It really makes me think he's on the take.

 

[Tamanon]

re: Joe Watkins

Yeah I don't get why this guy can be a preacher and tell obvious distortions in the name of being a Republican strategist. He's so consistently on message and never gives an inch. It really makes me think he's on the take.

Well he did refer to the McCain campaign as "Our campaign" before correcting himself earlier today

 

[The Librarian]

After 8 years of a president who chokes on pretzels and walks into doors I'm not sure anyone could appear less presidential.

I wouldn't be so quick to say that.

 

[Tamanon]

Son of a whore, need to read better.

 

[siamesedreamer]

 

[Keylime]

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/Obama_Exxon.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
OH MY GOD NO! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

THIS PICTURE MADE ME A REPUBLICAN AND SHOWED ME THE TRUTH!

 

[mj1108]

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/Obama_Exxon.jpg

Next time actually read the entire article before opening up Photoshop and attempting to be funny. Those donations are just employee donations -- not corporate lobbyist donations.

 

[GhaleonEB]

For our illiterate friend:

And, overall, McCain's campaign has gotten three times more money from the industry than Obama's has -- $1.3 million compared to about $394,000."

It's also worth noting the differences in how much the Republican National Committee has gotten versus the DNC.

-- ExxonMobil has given $21,195 to the RNC versus $708 for the DNC.
-- Chevron has given $106,9000 to the RNC and $210 to the DNC.

 

[AniHawk]

For our illiterate friend:

And, overall, McCain's campaign has gotten three times more money from the industry than Obama's has -- $1.3 million compared to about $394,000."

Yeah but when McCain does it, it's cute.

 

[mckmas8808]

OT: Try Netfront Beta or Opera Beta. They are much better browsers than the standard IE. Also, are you picking up the Touch Pro? (I'm passing on the Mogul to my wife. )

No because it doesn't have the full keyboard like the Mogul. That's one thing that I have to have.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Y'all are biggest babies on the internet. :lol

 

[maynerd]

Y'all are biggest babies on the internet. :lol

I've seen you cry about less.

 

[Clevinger]

Y'all and yer reading and numbers and logic.

 

[siamesedreamer]

I've seen you cry about less.

Prolly

. . .

Just letting y'all know I had another check up today in Houston and everything is clear. That makes 3 years in remission.

Saw some pretty fucked up shit at the hospital this time. You usually see some fucked up shit, but this time it was unusually bad. Cancer is one mean motherfucker. Fuck it.

 

[mckmas8808]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX5u69hmzY&eurl=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/


This was pretty painful to watch.

That hurt bad. "That's not change you can believe in"

That's the worst line in American political history. :lol

 

[mckmas8808]

Prolly

. . .

Just letting y'all know I had another check up today in Houston and everything is clear. That makes 3 years in remission.

Saw some pretty fucked up shit at the hospital this time. You usually see some fucked up shit, but this time it was unusually bad. Cancer is one mean motherfucker. Fuck it.

Damn man you had cancer?

 

[ZealousD]

That hurt bad. "That's not change you can believe in"

That's the worst line in American political history. :lol

"Read my lips, no new taxes."

 

[scorcho]

Just letting y'all know I had another check up today in Houston and everything is clear. That makes 3 years in remission.

woo - congrats. sucks you had to commute to houston; even more that you're a Braves fan. acquiesce to the Mets and Lord Pelosi and you will live to be 200!

 

[maximum360]

No because it doesn't have the full keyboard like the Mogul. That's one thing that I have to have.

Nah. You're talking about the Touch Diamond. That comes to Sprint September 2nd, and the Touch Pro (which has a full keyboard) comes out a month later.

HTC Touch Pro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOVZ9_YE0sA&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZl7E1SFR9Y

It seems thick but it is actually 1/2 mm thinner than the Mogul.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Damn man you had cancer?

Yeah - sarcoma. Back in late 04 and through most of 05. Did 6 rounds of chemo, 23 rounds of radiation, and one major surgery. Its got a really high recurrance rate, so I have to get check up MRIs every 3 or 4 months where I was treated at MD Anderson in Houston.


Scorcho - I picked the Mets to win a few weeks ago.

 

[mckmas8808]

Nah. You're talking about the Touch Diamond. That comes to Sprint September 2nd, and the Touch Pro (which has a full keyboard) comes out a month later.

HTC Touch Pro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOVZ9_YE0sA&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZl7E1SFR9Y

It seems thick but it is actually 1/2 mm thinner than the Mogul.

Oh shit son!!!! I'm getting dis bitch! I need to sell my Mogul. You say this coming out in October?

 

[Hitokage]

Y'all are biggest babies on the internet. :lol

Says the man who whined to the mods that Mandark was picking on him after he walked into something on his own.

 

[grandjedi6]

Yeah - sarcoma. Back in late 04 and through most of 05. Did 6 rounds of chemo, 23 rounds of radiation, and one major surgery. Its got a really high recurrance rate, so I have to get check up MRIs every 3 or 4 months where I was treated at MD Anderson in Houston.

I hope it doesn't come back for you man

 

[PhoenixDark]

Bill Clinton getting major speech slot at the convention
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26081495#26081495

The media obsession over new found Obama/Clinton rifts is so forced. Hillary has been going out of her way to help Obama yet the media is still making this a story. Bill is upset sure, but he'll cool down eventually.

 

[Diablos]

Bill Clinton getting major speech slot at the convention
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26081495#26081495

Birds fly.

The media obsession over new found Obama/Clinton rifts is so forced.

Uhh yeah well when you say things like:

"I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002,"

...it gives the media a lot of justification to act obsessed, stupid as it may be.

 

[Hitokage]

Thanks

for outing a PM you fucking dickhead.

Hey, I didn't repost any of your PMs until just now.

 

[adamsappel]

Just letting y'all know I had another check up today in Houston and everything is clear. That makes 3 years in remission.

Glad to hear it, SD! And I thought the Exxon sign was mildly amusing.

 

[Tamanon]

Hey, when's McCain going to invest in newer web ads anyways? I'm getting bored of the Ahmedinejad ones.

And Daily Show's "Best fucking political team ever" bits are hilarious, especially Riggle's tonight.

 

[mj1108]

...it gives the media a lot of justification to act obsessed, stupid as it may be.

The only reason it gives the media "justification" to make it a story is they know the average idiot won't realize that she said that when she was campaigning against Obama. So in turn they use it to keep the race close.

 

[APF]

Hey, I didn't repost any of your PMs until just now.

Not cool.