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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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grandjedi6
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He's probably told them by now.VanMardigan said:
AndresON777
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I just wanted to say that I despise Rick Warren, when larry king asked him last night if he knew Mccain was not in 'a cone of silence' he blinked uncontrollably and said 'of course not' or some crap. Very mad was I.
And btw I never saw John Mccain answer questions so fast as he did on saturday night, almost like he knew EXACTLY what was coming.
And btw I never saw John Mccain answer questions so fast as he did on saturday night, almost like he knew EXACTLY what was coming.
We can only hope. I'd like to see Drudge "leak" it only to be wrong. Though in print would be even funnier.the disgruntled gamer said:I wonder if we'll have some fun "reporting" like this:
again this time.
It would be fun to witness everyone freak out over one guy, and then watch the double freak out as it turns out it's someone else.
I still don't think it's going to be Bayh, Biden or Kaine.
Shalashaska
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It's actually been at that for 4-5 days which is crazy. I like to take a look at 'this day in 2004' as well.Jason's Ultimatum said:
Aug 19 said:
Mercury Fred
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Of course.ChrisGoldstein said:
It was a terrible miscalculation for Obama to attend what was essentially an inquisition conducted by evangelicals.
Ah yes...
Listening to Limbaugh say that Obama is the candidate because dems can't say no to a black man, and that it was only a case of affirmative action, has gotten me all excited about the prospect of hearing him after the November election.
BTW, (old?) Cafferty calls out McCain on his Bush-like stupidity
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/18/cafferty.mccain/index.html
Listening to Limbaugh say that Obama is the candidate because dems can't say no to a black man, and that it was only a case of affirmative action, has gotten me all excited about the prospect of hearing him after the November election.
BTW, (old?) Cafferty calls out McCain on his Bush-like stupidity
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/18/cafferty.mccain/index.html
Limbaugh yesterday was apparently not really realizing that he was advocating two opposites, on one hand he said that Obama was an empty vessel being controlled by all the various Democratic special interests, but on the other hand crowing about how divided all the factions are in the Democratic party.
He was playing in McCain's home turf. I doubt his performance brought him down in front of that crowd; it might have helped him among a few. Worst-case scenario he breaks even. But it shows Obama is willing to engage everyone in discussion, even those who disagree with him. Which is part of the premise of his campaign.Mercury Fred said:
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Mercury Fred said:
Obama certainly didn't do as well as (a well prepared?) McCain, but he did very well. I think he'll do much better than people expect among that demographic. Aside from the abortion issue, Obama seemed more comfortable talking about his personal faith than McCain. Which is due to the fact that hes' far more religious than McCain is. And I think evangelicals are realizing that, and last night helped.
They're definitely coming around to Obama, despite being "fucking cavemen", as per a previous post in this thread.
Awesome! When did this happen?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect_(term)VanMardigan said:
VanMardigan said:
I think your way overstating the supposed coming around of enagelicals to Obama. Abortion is basically issue #1 for them and he did the same thing Mccain got alot of shit for on this forum and refused to answer. He even stated he voted for a bill that in actuality he voted against.
This I find quite interesting though
Obama the moral philosopher replied, accurately, that evil is everywhere, in Darfur, in our city streets, in our own hearts. We cannot "erase evil from the world. That is God's task. But we can be soldiers in that process, and we can confront [evil] when we see it." (Imagine the reaction if President Bush called himself a soldier of God in the battle against evil.)
or
When asked what America's greatest moral failing was, theological Obama said it was our collective failure to "abide by that basic precept in [the Book of] Matthew that whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me."
In 2003, as chairman of the Illinois Senate Health and Human Services Committee, Obama received a statement from Jill Stanek, a registered nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill. She testified that at her Chicago-area hospital, she'd seen a baby accidentally delivered alive during an abortion and then "taken to the Soiled Utility Room and left alone to die."
I'm no expert on the Christian Gospel, but something tells me that Matthew might consider these wailing creatures the least of our brothers.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
laserbeam said:
Abortion is important to them, but I can assure you that vocal groups cause that issue to seem more important to evangelicals than it may actually be. In other words, if Obama can show that he is just as concerned in other areas of moral/spiritual importance to them, he still has a chance. Which is why he was so open about his opposition to gay marriage.
Someone posted a poll showing Obama already leading overall among Christians in this very thread. Obama is courting the group heavily, and has been extremely forthcoming (books, interviews, etc.) about his Christian faith. To a group that has seen many of their leaders either just pander or dodge the issue of personal spirituality, it's a breath of fresh air. Someone who doesn't just go to church for PR events and for Easter, who actually knows Scripture, and who, through his own experiences and exposures to sermons and fellow worshippers, is more in tune with their sensitivities than McCain. Bush, you may recall, was also extremely open about his personal faith during the '04 campaign and it helped to push them his way and away from Kerry, who seemed as uncomfortable and aloof about issues of personal spirituality in the same way that McCain does.
He basically did. Remember when the implication was that he was carrying out God's work whenever he made his decisions?
Tyrone Slothrop
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i don't think there's any way for a progressive candidate to get on the good side of evangelicals. you hear about how obama is appealing to a contingent of them because of his stong faith-based rhetoric. but i don't think they're ready yet. they're mostly idiots who'll never leave that leave it to beaver sphere of thinking, so i wouldn't waste too much time with them IMO. theres almost no point in talking about it
Deus Ex Machina
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Cheebs said:
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Tyrone Slothrop said:
What the fuck hitokage I'm tired of this shit. Seriously, why the free pass on the constant bullshit attacks?
VanMardigan said:
Obama will pull the Liberal minded Christians I am sure of that. I think the Conservative ones though he has no chance in hell. The Conservative ones arent really even fans of Mccain but they will vote for him
You are right Bush did allude to that and there was a shitstorm about it. Obama didnt allude to it he flat out said it and its ignored.
mckmas8808
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laserbeam said:
First of all show me one Christian that's perfect. Second, how many times are you going to lie about Obama's pro choice beliefs?
speculawyer
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Along with some donuts, a couple viagra, some ice cream, a fistful of Oxycontin, and a cigar.Hitokage said:
Deus Ex Machina
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**CBS News: VP Announcement Will Happen Friday Afternoon**
CBS News has confirmed that Barack Obama's campaign now plans to announce Obama's vice presidential choice to supporters via email and text message on Friday afternoon.
He will then appear with his running mate at noon the next day in Springfield, Illinois, CBS News chief political consultant Marc Ambinder reports.
Media reports today have suggested that Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine and Delaware Senator Joseph Biden as the names now atop Obama's list.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/19/politics/horserace/entry4364243.shtml
CBS News has confirmed that Barack Obama's campaign now plans to announce Obama's vice presidential choice to supporters via email and text message on Friday afternoon.
He will then appear with his running mate at noon the next day in Springfield, Illinois, CBS News chief political consultant Marc Ambinder reports.
Media reports today have suggested that Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine and Delaware Senator Joseph Biden as the names now atop Obama's list.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/19/politics/horserace/entry4364243.shtml
The Librarian
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I shall count the minutes!Deus Ex Machina said:
PrivateWHudson
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mckmas8808 said:
Would you take a moment to help clarify his pro choice beliefs?
This sounds beyond a womans right to choose, and "a fetus isn't a baby" rhetoric. I'd like to know how Obama could not vote for a measure to uphold a living infant's rights as an American and as a Human.
Frank the Great
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librasox said:
Unless it's an unknown VP which news readers might not automatically respond favorably to without some time getting accustomed to them, like say, Sebelius or Richardson.
mckmas8808
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laserbeam said:
That's because people just don't believe Obama means it the same way Bush did. Please Laser don't live in a world full of absolutes.
As a "conservative" people viewed Bush saying that meaning that abortion would be banned, gay marriage would never ever happen, etc. All the right wing stuff they try to say belongs to them.
With a DEM saying it (better yet a progressive one at that) people don't know what to make of it. Nobody knows what it means in a sense.
"God's Beard!"
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Or it's a bomb so huge it doesn't matter, like Colin Powell.Frank the Great said:
Frank the Great
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God's Beard said:
Actually on second thought and after reading Tamanon's post, it could be anyone. I don't think we should speculate on who the VP might be based on when the announcement is taking place.
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