Gig said:Man, the suspense is killing me, I can't wait to see who Obama picks as his running mate, still holding out hope for Hilary.
GhaleonEB said:Nice MI poll.
And looks like I'll be checking the news first thing in the morning. A 3am send would be hilarious. :lol
(And might be a hint that it's Clinton. :eek )
Kaeru said:How many hours left? I live in Sweden
stressboy said:Eastern or Pacific??????
PhoenixDark said:And you know this how? It's already been reported that Hillary wants to do MORE for Obama but his campaign hasn't given her much to work with. She has nothing to gain from an Obama loss considering the base will wind up heaping some blame on her and Bill
At the end of the day there are more democrats than republicans, and even in 2004 with such high turnout they still only won due to one state. Hillary would help secure that state dude - who cares if republicans in the south and heartland come out in mass, McCain will win those states anyway. Meanwhile Obama would maintain Michigan and Penn. while taking Ohio and possibly flipping Florida. Game over
speaking of Michigan
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS15/308210001/1215
(lots of poll details at link)
Biden has actually said many such comments over the years about many different groups of people. I never got the feeling from him that it was anything more then Scranton sensibilities mixed with a particularly big mouth.bishoptl said:Biden seems like the natural choice. I'm still a bit prickly about that "clean and articulate" remark, but he'll fit the ticket and light up the Republicans every chance he's given.
bishoptl said:Biden seems like the natural choice. I'm still a bit prickly about that "clean and articulate" remark, but he'll fit the ticket and light up the Republicans every chance he's given.
PhoenixDark said:wait until spaceworld!
bishoptl said:Biden seems like the natural choice. I'm still a bit prickly about that "clean and articulate" remark, but he'll fit the ticket and light up the Republicans every chance he's given.
Mandark said:I don't want him to be president, though. He was the driving force behind a really awful bankruptcy bill which was essentially written by the credit card industry and he's generally too quick to start wars.
Besides this is all just a huge swerve and it's totally going to be Edwards.
I think Bill is the one that hurt her chances. He never let go and has been pretty pissy sinceGrotesqueBeauty said:I won't make a prediction, but I will say everyone hoping for Hillary is batshit insane. There must be 100 hours of her talking shit of the worst sort about Obama during the primaries and the potential for undermining him is huge. Personally I saw her campaign as an extension of the sort of bullshit fear based rhetoric we've put up with for 8 years, only applied to the left. For that reason alone I couldn't in good conscience vote for her in any capacity, even on an Obama ticket.
Besides, I will eat my hat if it's her.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/Where_are_all_the_conservatives.html?showallSure, Joe Lieberman, Rudy Giuliani and Arnold Schwarzenegger will grace the stage in St. Paul, but the Club for Growth wants to know why more prominent conservatives aren't speaking at the Republican National Convention next month.
Saying the GOP brand remains "in shambles," the conservative member organization released a statement Thursday questioning the recently announced lineup of speakers at the Xcel Energy Center. The roster includes Lieberman, Connecticut's independent senator who was Al Gore's running mate in 2000, as well as more moderate members of the Republican Party, like Giuliani and Schwarzenegger.
Many of the slotted speakers are impressive leaders in their own right, said Club for Growth President Pat Toomey, but it is hard not to notice the absence of the partys most pro-growth elected officials."
The organization, which has taken umbrage with national Republicans many times over the years, would like to see a few more conservative upstarts take the microphone in Minnesota at the party's nominating convention in order to tout the GOP's small government bona fides.
The release lists Sens. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and Jim DeMint of South Carolina, along with Reps. Jeb Hensarling of Texas, Mike Pence of Indiana, Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and Jeff Flake and John Shadegg, both of Arizona, as more favored speakers for the GOP's conservative base. South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford was also suggested.
"We hope Sen. McCain will broaden the list of speakers and demonstrate his commitment to reclaiming the mantle of fiscal conservatism for the GOP," Toomey said in the release.
fixedRubxQub said:Don't worry Dax, you shall wake to:
PoliGAF thread of Obama Bin Biden
mckmas8808 said:A lady on CNN just said that people could be receiving text messages at 3:00 am in the morning!!
It was all in the execution.. All of his surrogates were on the same message, repeating the same talking point over and over, bombarding the media with it.masud said:I guess I was wrong this seven story has gotten some traction with the media. It's just silly that of all the stupid and even scary shit McCain has done lately this is the story they run with.
He certainly wouldn't help the case either. Right now I think he needs to go out of his way at the convention to give a rousing speech and unequivocal Obama endorsement. He's made a lot of shitty remarks, but he's a figure who could turn it around in a heartbeat and diehard dems would forget all about the smears because they have such fondness for him. It's been hard to watch him be so petulant about Obama, as if he didn't have a hand in any attack going the other direction.laserbeam said:I think Bill is the one that hurt her chances. He never let go and has been pretty pissy since
Damn that game is not easy.monchi-kun said:Obama is asking us if we're ready to answer the phone at 3am. I'll probably still be playing Pixel Junk Monsters by then
Maybe it is because your policies are shit and have not produced growth . . . but have only created massive deficits.Sure, Joe Lieberman, Rudy Giuliani and Arnold Schwarzenegger will grace the stage in St. Paul, but the Club for Growth wants to know why more prominent conservatives aren't speaking at the Republican National Convention next month.
Saying the GOP brand remains "in shambles," the conservative member organization released a statement Thursday questioning the recently announced lineup of speakers at the Xcel Energy Center. The roster includes Lieberman, Connecticut's independent senator who was Al Gore's running mate in 2000, as well as more moderate members of the Republican Party, like Giuliani and Schwarzenegger.
Many of the slotted speakers are impressive leaders in their own right, said Club for Growth President Pat Toomey, but it is hard not to notice the absence of the partys most pro-growth elected officials."
sp0rsk said:3AM what time zone?
polyh3dron said:McCain picks Romney?? PLEEEEEEEEASE let it be true.
Bye bye Evangelicals.
"Insiders" were suggesting McCain has settled on Romney earlier. Just yesterday "Insiders" were saying McCain was calling regional offices saying he was picking Ridge.Crisis said:What?
laserbeam said:"Insiders" were suggesting McCain has settled on Romney earlier. Just yesterday "Insiders" were saying McCain was calling regional offices saying he was picking Ridge.
polyh3dron said:I still say that the Obama campaign or even a PAC or 527 should go after McCain's greatest strength, the POW and his overuse of it.
They can even work into it the statement that McCain made about the Swift Boat thing and how it was Kerry's fault for making his military record the centerpiece of his campaign.
It would shock the Repubs, they'd say it's deplorable, but as you keep repeating it without apologizing for it, saying stuff like "gotta keep your sense of humor" it'll set in to the subconscious. Hell, McCain was on video saying he wanted to run a clean campaign before he put out these horrible ads and that didn't even hurt his standing in the polls. The fucking gloves are off at this point after that Willie Horton-caliber Ayers ad.
It's Kitchen Sink Time I say.
Hell, after Hillary went into kitchen sink mode she started to do better in the subsequent primaries against Obama.
polyh3dron said:The Repubs are calling him a flip flop already anyways, so what does he have to lose?
Many of these voters think already think Obama is a Muslim, a Communist, "just another politician", elitist, arrogant etc.FlightOfHeaven said:Whatever it is that separates us from them? If we triumph, what will it mean then?
Also, stupid rumor. I'm just going to sign up for the damn update.
polyh3dron said:Many of these voters think already think Obama is a Muslim, a Communist, "just another politician", elitist, arrogant etc.
In my opinion with the stakes as high as they are, the end justifies the means.
FFS He's been explaining the details of his economic plan for a long time now, people just choose not pay attention and then turn around and say "he never goes into specifics, we don't really know him (dun dun dunnnnn)" and they say he's all talk. He can explain his policies until he's blue in the face and that won't change the "Obama is made of empty speeches" meme.FlightOfHeaven said:Obama needs to spell out what he's going to do. I caught, today, for the first time an Obama ad literally spelt out what his economic plan is going to be. My dad was just asking me, as the commercial started, what his plan was.
polyh3dron said:Many of these voters think already think Obama is a Muslim, a Communist, "just another politician", elitist, arrogant etc.
In my opinion with the stakes as high as they are, the end justifies the means.
Also, by going on the offensive, he can show that he's growing a pair, because the growing consensus among these undecideds appears to be that he's a fucking pussy who can't take criticism and won't fight back except by putting out some tl;dr PDF files that won't be read by anyone.
And politics is a contact sport as many of Obama's adversaries have noted. In McCain's own words, he's using his military record as the centerpiece of his campaign, so it's fair game according to McCain himself.
polyh3dron said:FFS He's been explaining the details of his economic plan for a long time now, people just choose not pay attention and then turn around and say "he never goes into specifics, we don't really know him (dun dun dunnnnn)" and they say he's all talk. He can explain his policies until he's blue in the face and that won't change the "Obama is made of empty speeches" meme.
Is highlighting that McCain was near the bottom of the class in Annapolis a lie? Is presenting McCain's overuse of his POW time as a defense for everything under the sun a lie? Is saying "he was held captive by VC for 5 1/2 years, but how does this make him ready to lead?" a lie?Crayon Shinchan said:IMO, McCain has enough significant factual gaffes already that the Obama campaign can dish out some really hard hitting punches and still be above the shorts.
There's no doubt the Obama campaign needs to go on a significant offensive... but he can do it without resorting to lies and misconstruing.
polyh3dron said:Is highlighting that McCain was near the bottom of the class in Annapolis a lie? Is presenting McCain's overuse of his POW time as a defense for everything under the sun a lie? Is saying "he was held captive by VC for 5 1/2 years, but how does this make him ready to lead?" a lie?
polyh3dron said:Hell, after Hillary went into kitchen sink mode she started to do better in the subsequent primaries against Obama.
Well, that didn't happen!mckmas8808 said:A lady on CNN just said that people could be receiving text messages at 3:00 am in the morning!!
Diablos said:Well, that didn't happen!