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PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)
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CowboyAstronaut
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You know what? Obama needs to show some fucking leadership. Grow some fucking balls and publicly call Hilary out and say that as the nominee of the Democrat party
"I now need Hilary to help me with the uniting of the party." We both have very passionate supporters, but in the midst of our anger, are we forgetting what we are fighting for in this election. Hilary, if you believe in a lot of the same things I do, like ending the war in iraq etc etc, and I know you do, help me unite our party"
He needs to do something like that. Is it only Hilary that is capable of making power plays? Place her in a position where very political survival is on the line to get her to come out and do whats best for the party. She's trying to back you into a corner? Back her into a corner.
"I now need Hilary to help me with the uniting of the party." We both have very passionate supporters, but in the midst of our anger, are we forgetting what we are fighting for in this election. Hilary, if you believe in a lot of the same things I do, like ending the war in iraq etc etc, and I know you do, help me unite our party"
He needs to do something like that. Is it only Hilary that is capable of making power plays? Place her in a position where very political survival is on the line to get her to come out and do whats best for the party. She's trying to back you into a corner? Back her into a corner.
theBishop said:
More sensitive? Or just respectful of a different suite of civil liberties? Just disrespectful to parts of the Constitution and its Amendments they don't care for, but quick to rally behind it when they happen to agree with a literal, limited government reading?
Republocrats are fail.
Mercury Fred
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This premise alone is lol-worthy. The far left doesn't even exist anymore. What people now call the far left now is essentially a moderate position. Hmm, I'm off to stock up on Uzis now.Sharp said:
NullPointer
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CowboyAstronaut said:
He wants her to save face and to retire from the race with honor and dignity. Unfortunately - that requires her to meet him halfway. And she's far from doing so.
I think he should take some time off, regain his stamina, and go full bore after McCain and explain his positions in greater detail. Basically let her fall aside for a bit.
Everything will look very different two weeks from now. I hope.
theBishop said:
:lol , Seriously though Obama hasn't said she couldn't be VP if anything he's reached out to her throughout this race it is she who seems to be unwilling to hear him out at least publicly I have no thought there are back room talks all the time. Politics is politics.
Hardly...just enjoy common sense. I enjoy shooting guns. Every gun person knows dems will steal all guns rights if they could. I will start a new thread arguing this, but this is how I feel based off facts. I am a issue based voter and this one ranks up there. I will give you paranoid if needed.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022
I like the amount of fallacies you all spew at times. It is quite enjoyable. To know politics you must have a poly sci degree from a accredited university. That is completely illogical.
CowboyAstronaut
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Sharp said:
He's doing it behind the scenes on Hilary's terms. Sounds like her Obama playing into her power move.
Tamanon, you may say I know nothing about politics, but clearly Hilary is capable of, very easily, publicly backing his ass into a corner so I say he show he's capable of doing the same and soon or else he's going to end up having to make some compromise with hilary that he doesn't want. That may just land her on the ticket against his will and she'll undermine him.
I started to build hope that this woman had come to her senses, but she just lives for all that attention and can't accept that it's about to all end. She'll want a headliner speaking position at the Convention and will likely even want the VP.
But after her latest stunt with all the other shit she has pulled, Obama now knows he'd be stupid to do that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/03/pelosi-reid-dean-to-go-pu_n_105052.html
Dean, Reid and Pelosi Going Public: Democrats Need to Endorse
Dean, Reid and Pelosi Going Public: Democrats Need to Endorse
Xisiqomelir
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CowboyAstronaut said:
What the hell. You've flipped on this THREE TIMES today. You need to make up your mind based on your own ethics and principles and not rush to change your positions every time the media refreshes the news cycle.
speculawyer
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JayDub and I differ big on this. I'm far more concerned with the civil liberties side and Obama will be far more respectful of the constitution. He will also be far more fiscally conservative than the spendthrift Bush and his endless spending . . . largely on pointless wars.JayDubya said:
BenjaminBirdie
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Trakdown said:
And people were worried about Clinton. Laughable.
Hillary To DNC: You can't break up with me! I've got hand!
DNC To Hillary: And you're gonna need it!
When I was in high school a foreign exchange student said "Bill Clinton is the best conservative President you will ever have." I didn't get it at first but I also didn't realize how much more liberal his government was (I think he was from Sweden or something). Indeed we are a very conservative nation compared to others. David Cameron, who seems to have a good shot of being the UK's new PM, could fool me for being a US Democrat. Same goes for the new conservative mayor of London; pretty sure the guy could pass for a Democrat in many regards here in the States.Mercury Fred said:
This country is still very conservative while Canada and Europe and various other westernized places are to the left of us, PERIOD. It's pathetic.
Mrs. Manky
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TiVo said:
Twenty years ago, Jesse Jackson ran for President. In a very real sense, he paved the way for what happened tonight. Let the man enjoy the fruits of his labor.
kkaabboomm
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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/04/1106386.aspx
sorry, i'm a big fan of figuring out exactly how many supers came out today. msnbc says 59.5 super votes, demconwatch not that many.
sorry, i'm a big fan of figuring out exactly how many supers came out today. msnbc says 59.5 super votes, demconwatch not that many.
scorcho said:
I think so too. Yes, I was screaming at my TV throughout Clinton's speech but as Obama said we are all Americans first and ultimately this is about the Supreme Court and reversing some of the most ass backward policies any of s have had the misfortune to live through. America and the constitution come first.
GoldenEye 007
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The Gun issue is a sticking point with me. No matter where you stand on the issue, the idea of taking away a right previously outlined explicitly in the of the Constitution is unacceptable to me. This is a basic right afforded to Americans by the Founding Fathers and original Congress that ratified it -- to limit/take away that right for legal law abiding citizens in hopes that this will solve any violence, illegal gun trafficking, etc., is not something that I can support.Nicodimas said:
I'd liken it to the War on Drugs. Many on this forum think that the WOD is useless, clogs the legal system, creates nothing but headaches for the country as a whole. Ok, ban guns like the US currently bans drugs. It will punish people that use guns in a legal/recreational way while not really affecting people that use them for evil and senseless crimes. Just like people use drugs irresponsibly, i.e getting high then going getting violent or getting behind the wheel, etc. Some feel that if you are capable of using drugs in a responsible and experimental way, why should Big Gov't have any say in what you do? You're affecting nobody but yourself -- that's certainly valid.
Same for legal, law abiding gun owners -- the majority of gun owners are just that, btw. Why should Big Gov't step in and say hey you can't have those regardless if you've used them responsibly or for sport.
I'm not necessarily saying that Obama is for an outright ban, but I do not welcome more restrictions. And yes I do concede that guns were created specifically as an instrument for causing death, but realistically, that isn't what every person that owns a gun uses them for today. More defense rather than offense and more sport than senseless rampage. Yes gun violence is a problem, but the keyword there is violence. More restrictions/banning isn't the root of the problem here.
I hate long posts, sorry.... Other than that, it's been fun watching this historic moment and I look forward to following this through November. Oh, I'm not expecting/hoping for a big debate here. I don't want to derail anything at all and I don't write this hoping to ruffle any feathers.
CowboyAstronaut
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Xisiqomelir said:
My stance now isn't because the media refreshed the news cycle. It's because I allowed myself for a moment to forgive and to think that Hilary would have the class to finally do what was right after all the wrong she's done throughout the campaign and guess what?
I was dead wrong. She hasn't learned a thing, she lied to everybody yet again. All her claims about supporting the party's nominee the moment one of them reached that magic number was a fucking lie.
This is even after the number to clinch the nomination was raised for her benefit! How shameless can one person possibly be? Does she want Michigan and Florida seated 100% and Obama will STILL be the nominee of the party?
Oh and never mind that she's now pitifully trying to weasel more money out of her supporters through her website. Mighty mighty sad if you ask me.
Hillary does sound very mechanical in her congratulations to Obama... I hope she doesn't do anything truly irrational.
Edit: And yeah, I have really never understood why Democrats are so pro gun control. It has never seemed to me to be a terribly effective policy; anyone who really wants a deadly weapon can get one. That said, I'm not totally sure why anyone on GAF actually wants one.
Edit: And yeah, I have really never understood why Democrats are so pro gun control. It has never seemed to me to be a terribly effective policy; anyone who really wants a deadly weapon can get one. That said, I'm not totally sure why anyone on GAF actually wants one.
Hillary is going to do what she can to alienate herself from the rest of the party...hell I wouldn't be suprised if her and Bill bring the rest of the party with them down the tubes.
She could have had a more sucessful campaign and had some sort of a future...but wow at the raw stubborness.
She could have had a more sucessful campaign and had some sort of a future...but wow at the raw stubborness.
typhonsentra
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Two fun things:
1.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008
Clinton supporters vandalizing Wikipedia. "Arguably the popular vote winner." :lol
2.) With the flux of Supers last night, Obama could give back Michigan and Florida full seating and even give Clinton back the four Michigan delegates she wanted to challenge and he'd still be passed the nominee presumptive minimum.
1.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008
Clinton supporters vandalizing Wikipedia. "Arguably the popular vote winner." :lol
2.) With the flux of Supers last night, Obama could give back Michigan and Florida full seating and even give Clinton back the four Michigan delegates she wanted to challenge and he'd still be passed the nominee presumptive minimum.
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