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PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)

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Cheebs

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Deus Ex Machina said:
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Stickland is my #1 pick, he'd really lock down Ohio.

Who cares about what happened in the primary? We are all on one side now. Rendell embracing the Obama position on VP proves it.
 
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Evander

"industry expert"
Tamanon said:
BTW some lady had a kinda odd view on sexism in the campaign on MSNBC earlier. She said that it was sexist to call Clinton "Hillary" but refer to Obama as "Obama". She said it was subtle sexism.....which really seems odd, especially when you combine it with her actual branding being Hillary and not Clinton.
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I agree that it is reflective of Sexism, but as you said, it is herown branding.

Really, it's a reflection of where ourscoiety curretly is. Women aren't taken as seriously. There's really no denying that fact.



Also, it is to differentiate her from Bill. Bush was beingcalled "Dubya" during his campaign, andhe still won.
 
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ZealousD

Makes world leading predictions like "The sun will rise tomorrow"
Superdelegate update!

Total for today:

- Added Rep. Chris Van Hollen (MD) for Obama
- Switched VP Walter Mondale (MN) from Clinton to Obama
- Added Sen. Frank Lautenberg (NJ) for Obama
- Added Gov. Phil Bredesen (TN) for Obama
- Added DNC Gray Sasser (TN) for Obama
- Added DNC Inez Crutchfield (TN) for Obama
- Added Rep. Rahm Emanuel (IL) for Obama
- Added Rep. Mike Doyle (PA) for Obama
- Added Sen. Ken Salazar (CO) for Obama
- Added Sen. Tom Harkin (IA) for Obama
- Added Rep. Tom Udall (NM) for Obama
- Added Sen. Ben Cardin (MD) for Obama
- Added Sen. Herb Kohl (WI) for Obama
- Switched DNC Karen Hale (UT) from Clinton to Obama
- Added Sen. Ron Wyden (OR) for Obama

Obama: 15 endorsements, 15 votes
Clinton: -2 endorsements, -2 votes

Obama NET: +17 superdelegates


Tamanon said:
BTW some lady had a kinda odd view on sexism in the campaign on MSNBC earlier. She said that it was sexist to call Clinton "Hillary" but refer to Obama as "Obama". She said it was subtle sexism.....which really seems odd, especially when you combine it with her actual branding being Hillary and not Clinton.
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That's ridiculous. All of her signs say "Hillary '08". Is she being sexist against herself?
 
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Love To Love You Baby

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A VP candidate being a Clinton supporter is probably a good thing, as far as party unity is concerned.

Strickland won easily as governer in Ohio, and is popular amongst moderates/swing voters and even some moderate Republicans. He'd help bring in a big swing state, and goes alongside Obama's 'expanding the electorate' message.
 
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Evander

"industry expert"
Love To Love You Baby said:
A VP candidate being a Clinton supporter is probably a good thing, as far as party unity is concerned.
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Which is why Clark is even more ideal.

Clark as VP, with the inevitable Clinton endorsement, would reunite the party, and allow victory in November.

McCain wouldn't be the only war hero.
 
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Love To Love You Baby

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Deus Ex Machina said:
Kathleen Sebelius farther, John J. Gilligan was a very popular governor of Ohio.
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I think Sebelius would make a great VP, but - fair or not - him choosing a woman would be suicide for getting diehard Clinton supporters on board.
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Tamanon said:
BTW some lady had a kinda odd view on sexism in the campaign on MSNBC earlier. She said that it was sexist to call Clinton "Hillary" but refer to Obama as "Obama". She said it was subtle sexism.....which really seems odd, especially when you combine it with her actual branding being Hillary and not Clinton.
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If it were any other female, she might have a point. But the use of Hillary has a lot more to do with differentiating her from Bill Clinton, whom we've all called Clinton for 16 years. There's no confusing who we're talking about when we just go with "Hillary" and we're all too lazy to go with the full name.
 
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GhaleonEB

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Speaking of veeps - Obama announced his search and vetting team.

First Read has confirmed the news, first reported by the Associated Press, that Obama has tapped three Democrats to head his vice presidential search committee: JFK daughter Caroline Kennedy, Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, and Eric Holder, who served as deputy attorney general under Bill Clinton.

"Sen. Obama is pleased to have three talented and dedicated individuals managing this rigorous process," Obama spokesman Bill Burton says. "He will work closely with them in the coming weeks but ultimately this will be his decision and his alone."
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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

Not sure why it takes three people to search for someone who refuses to step out of the spotlight.... :p
 
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Zaptruder

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Evander said:
I agree entirely.

He entered too late for the 2004 race, IMO, and too quietly. Then he was ignored due to Dean's momentum.

At very least, I'd like to see him in the cabinet.
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Wesley Clark needs to be the handsome secretary of mother fuckin' defense!
 
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Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
GhaleonEB said:
Speaking of veeps - Obama announced his search and vetting team.



http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

Not sure why it takes three people to search for someone who refuses to step out of the spotlight.... :p
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The way I look at it is that since this will be done by committee, it takes less of the burden off of him when they don't go with Hillary.
 
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Cheebs

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Wes Clark wont be VP. Period. He even point blank said Obama should pick Selebius, he doesnt want it.

He isn't a good campaigner at all. He'd make a good Sec of Defense or State. But the chances of him being vp are like 0.000000001% I suspect.
 
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VALIS

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Evander said:
Which is why Clark is even more ideal.

Clark as VP, with the inevitable Clinton endorsement, would reunite the party, and allow victory in November.

McCain wouldn't be the only war hero.
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They really should consider it. McCain and the GOP are going to beat two things into the ground until November -- 1. Obama isn't experienced enough, and 2. He's too risky and too liberal on foreign policy, and thus, putting your lives in danger, my fellow Americans.

Oh yeah?

BAM! Eat some 4-star general, GOP fear mongers.
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edit: And not only that, he gives a "friendly face" to the Obama ticket for the Appalacian and midwest racists yokels hard workers.
 
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maximum360

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BenjaminBirdie said:
I disagree completely. In terms of campaigning, I think they've been on the same ground for a while, in terms of PACs, in terms of going negative, and in terms of the structure of the their discussions.

The only weakness would have been cowering from this format.

Obama brought his own conditions to the table, wisely. There's no negatives here.
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You miss my point. I don't like how it will be framed by the media. As I said before, I don't see the format as a negative for Obama. He tends to do well in those. But again McCain is trying to set the stage and the media running with it.
 
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BenjaminBirdie

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maximum360 said:
You miss my point. I don't like how it will be framed by the media. As I said before, I don't see the format as a negative for Obama. He tends to do well in those. But again McCain is trying to set the stage and the media running with it.
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As of right now, according the media, it is an "agreement" "between" the campaigns. I think you're framing their framing.
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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Hillary plotting for VP, recruited Robert Johnson for launching campaign

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/hillary_ally_says_she_authoriz.php
Hillary Ally Says She Authorized Him To Launch Campaign To Make Her Veep

By Greg Sargent - June 4, 2008, 12:53PM

A bunch of people have reported this morning that Robert Johnson, the founder of BET and a key Hillary supporter, has launched a public campaign to get Obama to offer her the Veep slot.

But it's in this interview that Johnson said some truly revealing stuff...

Johnson said he began discussing the vice presidency with Clinton last month and that they talked about it at a dinner in Puerto Rico last Saturday and again by phone and e-mail on Tuesday. "Let me be clear," Johnson said in a telephone interview Wednesday morning. "She said if asked to do this, she must accept because she believes that it is in the best interest of the party that the party come together and win in November."

So according to Johnson, she was discussing the Veepstakes as early as last month, and even said that she would accept the Veep slot if asked. And there's more...
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Johnson said he talked specifically with Clinton on Tuesday about his intentions. "She said, 'Go ahead,'" he recalled, although asked that he wait until Wednesday to do so.
In other words, Hillary basically authorized Johnson to launch the campaign. This is all pretty suggestive stuff. We're going to follow up with Johnson and will bring you more if we can get it.
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whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
VALIS said:
They really should consider it. McCain and the GOP are going to beat two things into the ground until November -- 1. Obama isn't experienced enough, and 2. He's too risky and too liberal on foreign policy, and thus, putting your lives in danger, my fellow Americans.
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But if Obama wants to win he should set the debate. As far as Obama is concerned, the foreign policy thing is NOTHING. He was right on Iraq, and that's all he needs to say. Say NOTHING else in those town hall meetings except "I want to end iraq." McCain says the surge is working? "I want to end our war." You get a southern democrat and then you're on the offensive, cuz you're attacking those middle-of-the-road voters who normally sway republican. But if you get the religious credentials going, you might be doing really good. hence my kaine prediction.


however, there's also the philosophy that Obama knows which states he has to win and will possibly just forego the entire bible belt over the Rev Wright stuff.

I'd need to see polling trends over the next two weeks to see which is happening or should be happening.
 
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Diablos

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I'm realllllly hoping Obama picks someone else. Anyone but Hillary.

Plus it doesn't even make sense. She's from New York. He should be thinking about Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Virginia.
 
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BenjaminBirdie

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whytemyke said:
But if Obama wants to win he should set the debate. As far as Obama is concerned, the foreign policy thing is NOTHING. He was right on Iraq, and that's all he needs to say. Say NOTHING else in those town hall meetings except "I want to end iraq." McCain says the surge is working? "I want to end our war." You get a southern democrat and then you're on the offensive, cuz you're attacking those middle-of-the-road voters who normally sway republican. But if you get the religious credentials going, you might be doing really good. hence my kaine prediction.


however, there's also the philosophy that Obama knows which states he has to win and will possibly just forego the entire bible belt over the Rev Wright stuff.

I'd need to see polling trends over the next two weeks to see which is happening or should be happening.
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I think he lucked out having his speech today be his first major speech as a nominee. It really strengthened his knowledge and credentials and clarified his ideas in terms of foreign policy.
 
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theBishop

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Fatalah said:
I'm trying to see the Sam Seder show for the first time, but I have no idea what I'm seeing right now. What is this?!
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I'm not seeing anything on the sammy cam. But usually, Seder v Maron is just those two (former) radio hosts shooting the shit for an hour.
 
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Farmboy

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Cheebs said:
Stickland is my #1 pick, he'd really lock down Ohio.
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Maybe, but I subscribe to the conventional wisdom that no-one votes for a vice-president. I think the only person who is pretty much guaranteed to lock down his home state when picked is Richardson. I'm confident that Obama will win Ohio in the end, but it's a complex bargain for him that the simple choice of Strickland (or Sebelius) won't remedy by itself (though I'll grant you that it can't hurt). Same with Webb and Virginia (though that's also because Webb isn't even especially popular there -- Kaine or Warner might help more there).

I also agree with the person who said that Strickland would be too old to run in 2016 which, considering the likelyhood of an Obama win regardless of who he picks, should be one of the chief considerations.
 
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whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
BenjaminBirdie said:
I think he lucked out having his speech today be his first major speech as a nominee. It really strengthened his knowledge and credentials and clarified his ideas in terms of foreign policy.
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well, to US it did. who knows if it did anything for Joey 9-to-5 who doesn't follow this stuff religiously. Gonna have to see if the local news picks up the speech highlights or not.
 
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esbern

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Dunno if you all saw this:
MCCAIN CHALLENGE TO OBAMA: TEN JOINT TOWNHALLS

Wed June 4, 2008 11:56:11 ET

June 4, 2008

The Honorable Barack Obama
Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, Illinois 60680

Dear Senator Obama:

In 1963, Senator Barry Goldwater and President John F. Kennedy agreed to make presidential campaign history by flying together from town to town and debating each other face-to-face on the same stage. In Goldwater's words, those debates "would have done the country a lot of good." Unfortunately, with President Kennedy's untimely death, Americans lost the rare opportunity of witnessing candidates for the highest office in the land discuss civilly and extensively the great issues at stake in the election. What a welcome change it would be were presidential candidates in our time to treat each other and the people they seek to lead with respect and courtesy as they discussed the great issues of the day, without the empty sound bites and media-filtered exchanges that dominate our elections. It is in the spirit of President Kennedy's and Senator Goldwater's agreement, in the spirit of the politics of change, and to do our country good, that I invite you to join me in participating in town hall meetings across the country to discuss the most important issues facing Americans. I also suggest we fly together to the first town hall meeting as a symbolically important act embracing the politics of civility.

I propose these town hall meetings be as free from the regimented trappings, rules and spectacle of formal debates as possible, and that we pledge to the American people we will not allow the idea to die on the negotiation table as our campaigns work out the details. I suggest we agree to participate in at least ten town halls once a week with the first on June 11 or 12 in New York City at Federal Hall until the week before the Democratic Convention begins at locations to be determined by our campaigns.Ê Federal Hall is particularly fitting as it was the place where George Washington took the oath of office as our first President and the birthplace of American government hosting the first Congress, Supreme Court and Executive Branch offices. These town halls should be attended by an audience of between two to four hundred selected by an independent polling agency, could be sixty to ninety minutes in length, have very limited moderation by an independent local moderator, take blind questions from the audience selected by the moderator and allow for equally proportional time for answers by each of us. All of these are suggestions that can be finalized by our campaigns. What is important is that we commit to participate in these history making meetings to join in the higher level of discourse that Americans clearly would prefer.

To show our good faith, we should both commit to the first town hall I have suggested. In the mean time, we can work out dates for future town hall meetings.

I look forward to your favorable reply and to the opportunity to work with you to give Americans a better opportunity to understand our differences, our agreements and the leadership we offer them.

Sincerely,

John McCain

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bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
maximum360 said:
You miss my point. I don't like how it will be framed by the media. As I said before, I don't see the format as a negative for Obama. He tends to do well in those. But again McCain is trying to set the stage and the media running with it.
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Meh. Think about this way: McCain had to call Obama and ask permission. So, really, who's in charge?
 
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GhaleonEB

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To be fair, Kerry didn't exactly help Kerry.

Also, this is awesome.

Furthermore, during a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.

While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.

Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.

Still, Obama and Lieberman seemed to be trying to keep the back-and-forth congenial as they both patted each other on the back during and after the exchange.

Afterwards, Obama smiled and pointed up at reporters peering over the edge of the press gallery for a better glimpse of their interaction.

Obama loyalists were quick to express their frustration with Lieberman's decision and warned that if he continues to take a lead role in attacking Obama it could complicate his professional relationship with the Caucus.
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198727.php

Sounds like a nice friendly chat!
 
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