PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)
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kkaabboomm
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Stumpokapow said:
close, but wrong
montana has 16, SD has 17, so thats...33 delegates tuesday, not 48. PR does have 55, so the total number of Pledged delegates is -- 86 overall. he'll get 8 from montana and 9 from SD, so thats 17 from tuesday. as for PR, out of 55, estimates around 24-25.
grandjedi6
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http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/clinton_campaign_statement_on.php
Well at least Florida is out of this for once :lol
Mercury Fred
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No.videogamer said:
Say whatever you want. To me it comes off as shitty and immature.harSon said:
Obama supporters should care what Hillary supporters think and say. Spazzes like the ones screaming Denver are probably a lost cause, but it's not smart to alienate voters that are needed for the general. You couldn't pay me to vote for McCain, but a little less Hillary-bashing and a little more olive branching could go along way imo.Odrion said:
Oh, give me a break. Are you saying people new to politics are so fragile that they can't take criticism? And also, see above about being the bigger person and actually reaching out. You might want to apply some of the ideas that Obama is espousing to your own politics.AmishNazi said:
StopMakingSense
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AmishNazi said:
Yeah, a member of a church is a lot different than just a dude who goes to church, you are 'officially a part of this church'
Smiles and Cries
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wow this thread moved fast took a while to read the epic 
typhonsentra
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I'm glad he's acknowledging it's because of the political climate and not throwing the church under the bus.
This is so fucked up, guys.
Even if it doesn't go to the convention, this day seems to have just poured even more salt on the wound. Hillary supporters were PISSED OFF.
This could mark the beginning of the party seriously starting to split. If it doesn't go to Denver, but, say, the end of June, that gives the party, what? Almost two months for "healing" while McCain has basically had the whole year so far.
Also, the GOP was outside filming all the pissed off supporters. You could imagine how effective they will be in their commercials for the GE.
Even if it doesn't go to the convention, this day seems to have just poured even more salt on the wound. Hillary supporters were PISSED OFF.
This could mark the beginning of the party seriously starting to split. If it doesn't go to Denver, but, say, the end of June, that gives the party, what? Almost two months for "healing" while McCain has basically had the whole year so far.
Also, the GOP was outside filming all the pissed off supporters. You could imagine how effective they will be in their commercials for the GE.
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kkaabboomm said:
*doh* I was using the state delegate tallies that included supers.
Still, he needs 64. 12 Edwards + 6 "winner of elected delegates" + 24 PR + 17 Tuesday = 59.
Obama's reason is basically "I can't deal with the media disassembling every comment someone from my church makes."
And this is a very real opening for criticism. If he CAN'T handle that without bailing out, there's reason to believe it extends to other aspects of his political future. I am genuinely disappointed with his reaction here, as bowing to the media is one of the last things one should ever do unless it is clear that you are wrong. Obama was not wrong.
And this is a very real opening for criticism. If he CAN'T handle that without bailing out, there's reason to believe it extends to other aspects of his political future. I am genuinely disappointed with his reaction here, as bowing to the media is one of the last things one should ever do unless it is clear that you are wrong. Obama was not wrong.
Mercury Fred
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:lolvideogamer said:
I guess I did. Well, sorry for that.
reilo: So the party's fucked either way?
I wish the Hillary people just said "we want it all" -- because that's exactly what they want.
Obama could have given Hillary all of his delegates from Florida and uncommitted votes from Michigan and the Clintons would still find something wrong. They are totally fucking the party over and I fear it's too late for anything else to happen to remedy the situation.
I wish the Hillary people just said "we want it all" -- because that's exactly what they want.
Obama could have given Hillary all of his delegates from Florida and uncommitted votes from Michigan and the Clintons would still find something wrong. They are totally fucking the party over and I fear it's too late for anything else to happen to remedy the situation.
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typhonsentra said:
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Lemonz said:
I'm glad that I listened to his speech and got it from him. This does make sense and I can respect it.
Amir0x said:
He's not the only member of the church Amir0x. Him being present in Church throws it into the lime light leaving it open to scrutiny and thus hindering the member's ability to pray and worship. Is his reason partly political? Obviously. But it's not the only reason.
grandjedi6
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Diablos said:reilo: So the party's fucked either way?
I wish the Hillary people just said "we want it all" -- because that's exactly what they want.
Obama could have given Hillary all of his delegates from Florida and uncommitted votes from Michigan and the Clintons would still find something wrong. They are totally fucking the party over and I fear it's too late for anything else to happen to remedy the situation.
The party will be fine. Once Hillary drops out the angry minority will quite down and the party will "unify", whether it wants to or not
True. But the fact remains, there's a good possibility this could go until the end of June, or to the convention at the latest. Which is just bad.Chichikov said:
One thing is for certain: Dean, Pelosi, and Reid had better be SERIOUS in making supers come out of the shadows by the middle of next week. No more fucking around.
It was a lose-lose either way. Hillary has simply been too divisive in this campaign, and has torn the party apart, and I don't think I'll be able to forgive her for that. the fact that she has turned a lot of her supporters into radicals who are pledging to vote for McCain over Obama is disgraceful.reilo said:
I keep saying that I really want her to do everything she can to convince her supporters to unite for Obama, but in reality I don't expect that she will. SHe'll mention it during her concession speech, and that'll be it.
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the disgruntled gamer said:
IF that is how she plays it, then her speech will seal the rest of her political career.
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Amir0x said:
I don't take it as that at all. I take it as him saying "I don't think it's fair to subject my church or it's congregation to the scrutiny that I go through in a race." Which is fair, and I think it's valid.
You must've misheard. Obama leads by nearly 200 delegates.
Uncooked said:
He can adopt a new church quickly. I think what it paints about Obama's ability to withstand controversy that matters here. He should not buckle. It disenfranchises African Americans who rightfully don't comprehend why the media has deconstructed the fire and brimstone rants of a reverend, since it is a common thing in these communities. And it can damage his image as one disaffected by the prevailing political winds, another key point.
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Zapages said:
She has the lead by 10 delegates in the number of ones that were divided up today at the conference. Obama is still way in the lead in total delegates.
Mercury Fred said:
I'm not the one bashing the supporters. I just merely stated that your condescending remarks against their enthusiasm is not a good idea. I was just stating why some of Obama's supporters might be a little fanatical / rabid. Personally I don't think this is a bad thing. We've needed people besides elitists, religious, elderly, and scared people voting for a long time now.
I think the main problem with this scenario is not how bitter Clinton supporters are or how fractured the party is going to be (I think it's overstated) but that in the mean time McCain gets a free pass, and that a lot of money that could've been used to established a narrative for the general election is wasted on forgone conclusion of a primary.Diablos said:
The Lamonster
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He picked a good day to announce this. Nobody looks at the news on Saturdays and the big weekend story will be the RBC decisions and Puerto Rico results.
theviolenthero
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WTF!!!
Only Foxnews is airing the Obama speech now? :lol
Only Foxnews is airing the Obama speech now? :lol
kkaabboomm
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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/31/1091448.aspx
this. this this this. he could've done what he wanted, and he would've won the vote. however, he decided to go with the compromise solution as a way to meet them halfway. and still ickes flips his shit. ickes wanted 0 compromise whatsoever, obama actually went halfway. he could've won and pointed to the ruling as 'well, the RBC voted, and said michigan never happened, period' instead, he gave some. not all, he did not give them everything, but he gave some and still they shit bricks.
this. this this this. he could've done what he wanted, and he would've won the vote. however, he decided to go with the compromise solution as a way to meet them halfway. and still ickes flips his shit. ickes wanted 0 compromise whatsoever, obama actually went halfway. he could've won and pointed to the ruling as 'well, the RBC voted, and said michigan never happened, period' instead, he gave some. not all, he did not give them everything, but he gave some and still they shit bricks.
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