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[Crayon]

Soon you'll be able to buy a house and raise a family on your controller factory income.

 

[poppabk]

Soon you'll be able to buy a house and raise a family on your controller factory income.

But sadly won't be able to afford the controllers you are making.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Soon you'll be able to buy a house and raise a family on your controller factory income.

My Son will soon be making controllers instead of breaking them. The future is bright.

 

[StereoVsn]

good. china's been screwing us a long time. and to those complaining this screws the US consumer. please grow up, its a freaking controller. go outside...

You mean like car parts, high powered magnets, batteries, electronics, small kitchen appliances (no, nobody is bringing toaster factories back to us) and millions of other parts and products that we don't make here in US of A?

 

[mckmas8808]

it's a bluff to get people riled up. This is all a big game of chicken. Lol

You do realize that tariffs are real, right?

good. china's been screwing us a long time. and to those complaining this screws the US consumer. please grow up, its a freaking controller. go outside...

So are you going to say this about everything that goes up in price?

 

[StereoVsn]

You do realize that tariffs are real, right?



So are you going to say this about everything that goes up in price?

I believe in Lutnick and millions of people screwing millions of screws on iPhones in the iPhone factories Apple is going to bring to US (and absolutely not to India or Vietnam).

 

[Dacvak]

Shit's very real. I have to adjust my manufacturing pipeline for work.

We have an in-house, passion driven project every year where we essentially create a brand new "game boy" with totally bespoke hardware and software. We deal with low qtys (~3000 total units), and it's not meant to be a significant profit driver. Again, it's basically a passion project for a small team of people, for an audience of just a few thousand.

That entire project might be on ice because of these absolutely stupid tariffs. Anyone defending these senile actions completely blows my mind.

 

[Crayon]

But sadly won't be able to afford the controllers you are making.

She's starting a small toaster factory. The bread will be rolling in.

You mean like car parts, high powered magnets, batteries, electronics, small kitchen appliances (no, nobody is bringing toaster factories back to us) and millions of other parts and products that we don't make here in US of A?

You clearly haven't seen Sally's toaster factory she's building! She's the first customer for my new suicide net factory. Small business is already coming back this is working out great.

 

[StereoVsn]

She's starting a small toaster factory. The bread will be rolling in.




You clearly haven't seen Sally's toaster factory she's building! She's the first customer for my new suicide net factory. Small business is already coming back this is working out great.

I am going to start the tiny screw factory to service the toaster factory, your net factory and Tim Apple's iPhones. With all the steel we are going to be producing due to 25% steel tariffs, it's going to be great success!

 

[Unknown?]

That kind of oversimplification is classic populism.

These topics are so complicated that it wouldn't make any sense to go further than sucks for the consumer.

The media doesn't want you to go deeper, that's why it's always simplified as, "Americans paying more!" If people dug into it, they'd see how much of a scam our entire monetary and banking system is.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

-Henry Ford

 

[Topher]

of course. but i think its a needed pressure on China to negotiate better trade terms and persuade them economically

Which only benefits massive global corporations. If this would bring more manufacturing jobs to the US then that might be something but that's not going to happen and the only ones who benefit from "better trade terms" is stockholders and corporate execs who want to sell more of their stuff in China.

As for this dismissive attitude towards gamers and gaming products, this is our hobby so of course this is what is going to be discussed here.

 

[StereoVsn]

The media doesn't want you to go deeper, that's why it's always simplified as, "Americans paying more!" If people dug into it, they'd see how much of a scam our entire monetary and banking system is.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

-Henry Ford

Well yeah, we could start with Wallstreet, but then people will ask why Elon's car company is worth 89+ P/E or why do companies constantly do stock buybacks and then companies crash and burn.

Or we could chat about Private Equity and all kinds of other "fun" stuff.

 

[Fabieter]

The media doesn't want you to go deeper, that's why it's always simplified as, "Americans paying more!" If people dug into it, they'd see how much of a scam our entire monetary and banking system is.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

-Henry Ford

The oversimplification goes both ways. Its fucked up on so many levels whats happening right now.

 

[kruis]

Shit's very real. I have to adjust my manufacturing pipeline for work.

We have an in-house, passion driven project every year where we essentially create a brand new "game boy" with totally bespoke hardware and software. We deal with low qtys (~3000 total units), and it's not meant to be a significant profit driver. Again, it's basically a passion project for a small team of people, for an audience of just a few thousand.

That entire project might be on ice because of these absolutely stupid tariffs. Anyone defending these senile actions completely blows my mind.

People have no idea how many small US businesses depend on China to manufacture bespoke products in small quantities. All those businesses are completely screwed if the trade war with China goes on and on.

 

[rubik's dude]

Glad I have my original 8BitDo Ultimate still. Is it worth upgrading to the 2? Heard Bluetooth doesn't work as well.

 

[Crayon]

I am going to start the tiny screw factory to service the toaster factory, your net factory and Tim Apple's iPhones. With all the steel we are going to be producing due to 25% steel tariffs, it's going to be great success!

Tiny screws, you say? Hey you know as two small business owners maybe we can work something out. Once enough of these terrible regulations in red tape get binned, I'm going to have a surplus of dental fillings from the people who die working in my factory. Do you think you could make tiny screws out of those? Tariff free!

 

[ReBurn]

Looks like I got my PC controller just in time. These tariffs suck.

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

Controllers and what else. Quite a lot it seems.

 

[yogaflame]

Off topic: China government is taking advantage of the loopholes in world free trade law and skirting the law. I really hope for increase in numbers of USA made products again for better quality. From experience, USA made products are really are very excellent quality, 100%. I do hope Pres Trump can give good incentives like for example tax cuts, and easy access too raw materials for companies that will build factories in USA so that there products, will not be too expensive.

 

[kiphalfton]

With cheap, affordable stuff. I so want to pay triple or quadruple for stuff.

I'm sure tariffs will magically sprout factories in the US and that cheap stuff will be produced there, and people will work in those factories and be paid next to nothing and all will be well.

There's a certain subset of the population that acts like they're all in when it comes to "made in America" products... until they see the price.

 

[mckmas8808]

I believe in Lutnick and millions of people screwing millions of screws on iPhones in the iPhone factories Apple is going to bring to US (and absolutely not to India or Vietnam).

You're joking right? I'm assuming so given the clown faces at the end.......lol

Well yeah, we could start with Wallstreet, but then people will ask why Elon's car company is worth 89+ P/E or why do companies constantly do stock buybacks and then companies crash and burn.

Or we could chat about Private Equity and all kinds of other "fun" stuff.

Okay, so you were joking. Cool.

Off topic: China government is taking advantage of the loopholes in world free trade law and skirting the law. I really hope for increase in numbers of USA made products again for better quality. From experience, USA made products are really are very excellent quality, 100%. I do hope Pres Trump can give good incentives like for example tax cuts, and easy access too raw materials for companies that will build factories in USA so that there products, will not be too expensive.

Wait until you see the price of that "Made in the USA" product. Plus we don't have the manufacturing ability to do what China is doing.

 

[Magic-DEI-Hire]

I really hope this thread gets locked for yet another tariff thread that devolves into a political shouting match. I don't come to GAF for this.

 

[Cynical_Aries]

 

[Robochobo]

I really hope this thread gets locked for yet another tariff thread that devolves into a political shouting match. I don't come to GAF for this.

Username doesn't check out.

 

[Magic-DEI-Hire]

Username doesn't check out.

It's a joke username. Glad you like it though.

 

[daffyduck]

 

[Clear]

Again though, renogotiation of what?

Renegotiating the world economic order basically; keeping the dollar as the reserve currency but resetting the table such that the accelerationsm of de-industrialization is brought back under control.

Not saying its a good policy or is going to work, but honestly unless you want to the next generation to become entirely dependent upon foreign powers (who may not always be so friendly) for everything from consumer goods, through industry to energy something needs to be done.

 

[Crayon]

I really hope this thread gets locked for yet another tariff thread that devolves into a political shouting match. I don't come to GAF for this.

It's gonna be pretty hard to get everyone else to pretend it's not happening. You'll have to do it on an individual basis and skip the countless threads to come.

 

[MMaRsu]

I really hope this thread gets locked for yet another tariff thread that devolves into a political shouting match. I don't come to GAF for this.

Not sure how stating facts is a political shouting match. Most of the posters in this thread so far have agreed that this sucks for the end consumer.

I personally have not said anything beyond that, and I haven't seen a shouting match either.

 

[Dorfdad]

Sounds like a post I should be reading on a purple forum with blue dye in my hair!

Easy fix is for china to treat us fairly no?

 

[Magic-DEI-Hire]

Not sure how stating facts is a political shouting match. Most of the posters in this thread so far have agreed that this sucks for the end consumer.

I personally have not said anything beyond that, and I haven't seen a shouting match either.

Not implying that you specifically said anything out of line — it's just an inevitability that at some point, someone will derail the thread. It's already happened before with other tariff threads.

 

[mckmas8808]

The world, well trade markets at least, doesn't work like that!

Honestly, where do you think the money to subsidize US industry is going to come from? The Government gets its money from taxes, taxes are paid by the people!
And no, you can't just tax the rich because they have the option to simply pack up and leave.

So essentially in a free market suppliers from a favourable economy will always have an advantage, which is where tariffs come in generally to protect national interest groups against competition they simply cannot beat.

Either way, these punitive tariffs that Trump & co have put in are going to hurt the people they have imposed them against far more. You might not be able to buy, be they suddenly are unable to sell to a formerly lucrative client group and that causes havoc up and down the supply chain.
They can try dumping the excess somewhere else, but that will likely result in the places they do that throwing up further protectionist measures of their own.

Essentially its a short-term strategy to force renegotiation, and frankly odds are its going to work because a lot of the non-US economies affected by this are in way worse shape and cannot sustain a prolonged drop in export revenues.

Depends on your definition of "working" means. So far the White House has 3 different goals for these tariffs and they are all opposite of each other. Meaning all 3 can't be done at the same time, because they counteract each other.

 

[StereoVsn]

Tiny screws, you say? Hey you know as two small business owners maybe we can work something out. Once enough of these terrible regulations in red tape get binned, I'm going to have a surplus of dental fillings from the people who die working in my factory. Do you think you could make tiny screws out of those? Tariff free!

 

[StereoVsn]

You're joking right? I'm assuming so given the clown faces at the end.......lol




Okay, so you were joking. Cool.



Wait until you see the price of that "Made in the USA" product. Plus we don't have the manufacturing ability to do what China is doing.

I sincerely hope that nobody (but Lutnick) could be serious about making using millions of people to screw in millions of screws for iPhones .

The fact that our Secretary of Commerce would say this should scare us, lol.

 

[Clear]

Depends on your definition of "working" means. So far the White House has 3 different goals for these tariffs and they are all opposite of each other. Meaning all 3 can't be done at the same time, because they counteract each other.

In any sort of renegotiation there are winners and losers. Who knows how things will turn out, but frankly given the overall current state of the Western world. I'm not optimistic!

 

[poppabk]

In any sort of renegotiation there are winners and losers. Who knows how things will turn out, but frankly given the overall current state of the Western world. I'm not optimistic!

But again - what are they renegotiating?

 

[yogaflame]

You're joking right? I'm assuming so given the clown faces at the end.......lol




Okay, so you were joking. Cool.



Wait until you see the price of that "Made in the USA" product. Plus we don't have the manufacturing ability to do what China is doing.

Yes sir I do agree that is the challenge, how to lower the price. Quality is assured for a USA made products but the price is the problem. Labor will not be a problem since there are so many state in USA with very big employment rate like for example Michigan, San Francisco, Pennsylvania, Arizona, other parts of California and Philadelphia, that needs jobs.

I really hope and pray that Pres Trump can offer something to make it attractive to invest and build factories in USA and lower the cost. I hope too see a console like PlayStation or Nintendo and accessories and gadgets be made in USA again. Sony has to be wise and build factories for PS in the future, same with Nintendo. My China made products, from experience, even if its a known brand, to be honest, are not excellent quality and does not last that long (gadgets, home and kitchen equipment, consumer electronics, power tools, toys, and collector item shoes).

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

To do what though? Stop sending as much stuff to the US? Buy more US stuff?

tariffs mean stuff from china and other places are more expensive to the US consumer
this means US consumers will likely buy fewer items from china and those places;
given enough time, tariffs may encourage producers to produce elsewhere

china is an export economy--it's how they make their money
the US is china's #1 customer, and a huge percentage of china's population is employed in manufacturing
US allies are also huge customers.
if the US buys less, china notices and may negotiate.
negotiate what? ip laws and litigation, ownership laws, anti-dumping practices, etc

thats the theory it appears

 

[Alebrije]

People have no idea how many small US businesses depend on China to manufacture bespoke products in small quantities. All those businesses are completely screwed if the trade war with China goes on and on.

Yep , people trend to think just about the Big corpo like GM, Walmart, etc. Tariffs impact Will be huge on small bussiness, there are companies that will go down because there are not Even suppliers on other countries or Even U.S. to produce their parts on time and with a decent cost.

And casually those business are owned by middle class people , You don't hear they CEO on Walmart talking about closing stores because tariffs but Will hear a Lot of small business closing if nothing changes. Tariffs are a Tax , and taxes most of time affect middle class.

 

[MSduderino]

It's gonna be pretty hard to get everyone else to pretend it's not happening. You'll have to do it on an individual basis and skip the countless threads to come.

This. Mods can wack-a-mole all the tariff threads, but they will continue to pop up because they are affecting gaming industry/consumers, political or not.

 

[poppabk]

1)tariffs mean stuff from china and other places are more expensive to the US consumer
this means US consumers will likely buy fewer items from china and those places;
given enough time, tariffs may encourage producers to produce elsewhere

2)negotiate what? ip laws and litigation, ownership laws, anti-dumping practices, etc

Right, the tarrifs purpose seems to be just part one.
We haven't heard really anything about the second part - I'm not sure it actually exists - I don't know if there is anything to negotiate that would have any meaningful impact. For countries like Vietnam or Cambodia doubly so.

 

[Topher]

This. Mods can wack-a-mole all the tariff threads, but they will continue to pop up because they are affecting gaming industry/consumers, political or not.

Think the problem is these threads turn into party politics with Trump/anti-Trump rhetoric and all that bullshit. If we talk about tariffs themselves and how they affect gaming and not all the tribalistic left vs right shit then I would think these threads would be fine.

 

[Topher]

tariffs mean stuff from china and other places are more expensive to the US consumer
this means US consumers will likely buy fewer items from china and those places;
given enough time, tariffs may encourage producers to produce elsewhere

china is an export economy--it's how they make their money
the US is china's #1 customer, and a huge percentage of china's population is employed in manufacturing
US allies are also huge customers.
if the US buys less, china notices and may negotiate.
negotiate what? ip laws and litigation, ownership laws, anti-dumping practices, etc

thats the theory it appears

China has the upper hand here though. Other countries don't have the manufacturing facilities in place that China does. Nor do they have the dirt cheap labor. Like it or not, but the cheap labor is a big reason everything started getting made in China in the first place. China knows all this. They also know that these tariffs are not popular in the US. They can afford to be patient.

 

[Crayon]

Think the problem is these threads turn into party politics with Trump/anti-Trump rhetoric and all that bullshit. If we talk about tariffs themselves and how they affect gaming and not all the tribalistic left vs right shit then I would think these threads would be fine.

Doing pretty solid on that for the most part. At least imo. It's a little hard to dance around.

There's the thing where threads survive to late-stage though. Everyone with something to say has said it and the smoldering embers get all off topic.

 

[Chukhopops]

And no, you can't just tax the rich because they have the option to simply pack up and leave.

This may be true for some countries but the US is the obvious exception to that because of FATCA.

The US could absolutely tax the rich if they wanted to.

 

[RoboFu]

Yes, there are much bigger issues in the world!! What are we even complaining about?

/s

What a dumb opinion to hold on a fucking Gaming Enthusiast forum.

nah the dumb opinions are the ones who think of themselves now and not our children in the future.

It doesn't matter how big of a mess it becomes at this moment. It is getting people to KNOW and THINK about free trade in the world where as they didn't before. Kind of like back when everything was hindered by region locking. It's just a tiny bit of pain at this moment in time.

 

[Topher]

Doing pretty solid on that for the most part. At least imo. It's a little hard to dance around.

There's the thing where threads survive to late-stage though. Everyone with something to say has said it and the smoldering embers get all off topic.

It is only natural for folks to get riled up. People feel strongly about these things. But for this thread.....so far so good. We will see how long it lasts.

 

[rubik's dude]

Are we gonna talk about the 8BitDo in the 8BitDo thread?

Is this thing worth getting if I already have the original Ultimate Bluetooth? Wondering if I should grab one from Amazon before they go oos.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Are we gonna talk about the 8BitDo in the 8BitDo thread?

Is this thing worth getting if I already have the original Ultimate Bluetooth? Wondering if I should grab one from Amazon before they go oos.

It's a tiny bit tinier than a standard controller. It's a tiny issue.

 

[Unknown?]

This may be true for some countries but the US is the obvious exception to that because of FATCA.

The US could absolutely tax the rich if they wanted to.

The combine wealth of all the billionaires in the US is estimated to be 6 trillion. Fiscal year 24 the US spent 7 trillion and ran nearly a 2 trillion deficit (highly inflationary).

Seize every penny by the rich billionaires and cut a trillion in the budget and you've funded dotgov for one single year. We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

Not to mention taxing the rich wouldn't benefit the commoners, it would line the pockets of the elite.