But sadly won't be able to afford the controllers you are making.Soon you'll be able to buy a house and raise a family on your controller factory income.
My Son will soon be making controllers instead of breaking them. The future is bright.Soon you'll be able to buy a house and raise a family on your controller factory income.
You mean like car parts, high powered magnets, batteries, electronics, small kitchen appliances (no, nobody is bringing toaster factories back to us) and millions of other parts and products that we don't make here in US of A?good. china's been screwing us a long time. and to those complaining this screws the US consumer. please grow up, its a freaking controller. go outside...
it's a bluff to get people riled up. This is all a big game of chicken. Lol
good. china's been screwing us a long time. and to those complaining this screws the US consumer. please grow up, its a freaking controller. go outside...
I believe in Lutnick and millions of people screwing millions of screws on iPhones in the iPhone factories Apple is going to bring to US (and absolutely not to India or Vietnam).You do realize that tariffs are real, right?
So are you going to say this about everything that goes up in price?
But sadly won't be able to afford the controllers you are making.
You mean like car parts, high powered magnets, batteries, electronics, small kitchen appliances (no, nobody is bringing toaster factories back to us) and millions of other parts and products that we don't make here in US of A?
I am going to start the tiny screw factory to service the toaster factory, your net factory and Tim Apple's iPhones. With all the steel we are going to be producing due to 25% steel tariffs, it's going to be great success!She's starting a small toaster factory. The bread will be rolling in.
You clearly haven't seen Sally's toaster factory she's building! She's the first customer for my new suicide net factory. Small business is already coming back this is working out great.
The media doesn't want you to go deeper, that's why it's always simplified as, "Americans paying more!" If people dug into it, they'd see how much of a scam our entire monetary and banking system is.That kind of oversimplification is classic populism.
These topics are so complicated that it wouldn't make any sense to go further than sucks for the consumer.
of course. but i think its a needed pressure on China to negotiate better trade terms and persuade them economically
Well yeah, we could start with Wallstreet, but then people will ask why Elon's car company is worth 89+ P/E or why do companies constantly do stock buybacks and then companies crash and burn.The media doesn't want you to go deeper, that's why it's always simplified as, "Americans paying more!" If people dug into it, they'd see how much of a scam our entire monetary and banking system is.
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
-Henry Ford
The media doesn't want you to go deeper, that's why it's always simplified as, "Americans paying more!" If people dug into it, they'd see how much of a scam our entire monetary and banking system is.
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
-Henry Ford
Shit's very real. I have to adjust my manufacturing pipeline for work.
We have an in-house, passion driven project every year where we essentially create a brand new "game boy" with totally bespoke hardware and software. We deal with low qtys (~3000 total units), and it's not meant to be a significant profit driver. Again, it's basically a passion project for a small team of people, for an audience of just a few thousand.
That entire project might be on ice because of these absolutely stupid tariffs. Anyone defending these senile actions completely blows my mind.
I am going to start the tiny screw factory to service the toaster factory, your net factory and Tim Apple's iPhones. With all the steel we are going to be producing due to 25% steel tariffs, it's going to be great success!
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With cheap, affordable stuff. I so want to pay triple or quadruple for stuff.
I'm sure tariffs will magically sprout factories in the US and that cheap stuff will be produced there, and people will work in those factories and be paid next to nothing and all will be well.
I believe in Lutnick and millions of people screwing millions of screws on iPhones in the iPhone factories Apple is going to bring to US (and absolutely not to India or Vietnam).![]()
Well yeah, we could start with Wallstreet, but then people will ask why Elon's car company is worth 89+ P/E or why do companies constantly do stock buybacks and then companies crash and burn.
Or we could chat about Private Equity and all kinds of other "fun" stuff.
Off topic: China government is taking advantage of the loopholes in world free trade law and skirting the law. I really hope for increase in numbers of USA made products again for better quality. From experience, USA made products are really are very excellent quality, 100%. I do hope Pres Trump can give good incentives like for example tax cuts, and easy access too raw materials for companies that will build factories in USA so that there products, will not be too expensive.
Username doesn't check out.I really hope this thread gets locked for yet another tariff thread that devolves into a political shouting match. I don't come to GAF for this.
It's a joke username. Glad you like it though.Username doesn't check out.
Again though, renogotiation of what?
I really hope this thread gets locked for yet another tariff thread that devolves into a political shouting match. I don't come to GAF for this.
Not sure how stating facts is a political shouting match. Most of the posters in this thread so far have agreed that this sucks for the end consumer.I really hope this thread gets locked for yet another tariff thread that devolves into a political shouting match. I don't come to GAF for this.
Not implying that you specifically said anything out of line — it's just an inevitability that at some point, someone will derail the thread. It's already happened before with other tariff threads.Not sure how stating facts is a political shouting match. Most of the posters in this thread so far have agreed that this sucks for the end consumer.
I personally have not said anything beyond that, and I haven't seen a shouting match either.
The world, well trade markets at least, doesn't work like that!
Honestly, where do you think the money to subsidize US industry is going to come from? The Government gets its money from taxes, taxes are paid by the people!
And no, you can't just tax the rich because they have the option to simply pack up and leave.
So essentially in a free market suppliers from a favourable economy will always have an advantage, which is where tariffs come in generally to protect national interest groups against competition they simply cannot beat.
Either way, these punitive tariffs that Trump & co have put in are going to hurt the people they have imposed them against far more. You might not be able to buy, be they suddenly are unable to sell to a formerly lucrative client group and that causes havoc up and down the supply chain.
They can try dumping the excess somewhere else, but that will likely result in the places they do that throwing up further protectionist measures of their own.
Essentially its a short-term strategy to force renegotiation, and frankly odds are its going to work because a lot of the non-US economies affected by this are in way worse shape and cannot sustain a prolonged drop in export revenues.
Tiny screws, you say? Hey you know as two small business owners maybe we can work something out. Once enough of these terrible regulations in red tape get binned, I'm going to have a surplus of dental fillings from the people who die working in my factory. Do you think you could make tiny screws out of those? Tariff free!
I sincerely hope that nobody (but Lutnick) could be serious about making using millions of people to screw in millions of screws for iPhonesYou're joking right? I'm assuming so given the clown faces at the end.......lol
Okay, so you were joking. Cool.
Wait until you see the price of that "Made in the USA" product. Plus we don't have the manufacturing ability to do what China is doing.
Depends on your definition of "working" means. So far the White House has 3 different goals for these tariffs and they are all opposite of each other. Meaning all 3 can't be done at the same time, because they counteract each other.
But again - what are they renegotiating?In any sort of renegotiation there are winners and losers. Who knows how things will turn out, but frankly given the overall current state of the Western world. I'm not optimistic!
Yes sir I do agree that is the challenge, how to lower the price. Quality is assured for a USA made products but the price is the problem. Labor will not be a problem since there are so many state in USA with very big employment rate like for example Michigan, San Francisco, Pennsylvania, Arizona, other parts of California and Philadelphia, that needs jobs.You're joking right? I'm assuming so given the clown faces at the end.......lol
Okay, so you were joking. Cool.
Wait until you see the price of that "Made in the USA" product. Plus we don't have the manufacturing ability to do what China is doing.
tariffs mean stuff from china and other places are more expensive to the US consumerTo do what though? Stop sending as much stuff to the US? Buy more US stuff?
Yep , people trend to think just about the Big corpo like GM, Walmart, etc. Tariffs impact Will be huge on small bussiness, there are companies that will go down because there are not Even suppliers on other countries or Even U.S. to produce their parts on time and with a decent cost.People have no idea how many small US businesses depend on China to manufacture bespoke products in small quantities. All those businesses are completely screwed if the trade war with China goes on and on.
This. Mods can wack-a-mole all the tariff threads, but they will continue to pop up because they are affecting gaming industry/consumers, political or not.It's gonna be pretty hard to get everyone else to pretend it's not happening. You'll have to do it on an individual basis and skip the countless threads to come.
Right, the tarrifs purpose seems to be just part one.1)tariffs mean stuff from china and other places are more expensive to the US consumer
this means US consumers will likely buy fewer items from china and those places;
given enough time, tariffs may encourage producers to produce elsewhere
2)negotiate what? ip laws and litigation, ownership laws, anti-dumping practices, etc
This. Mods can wack-a-mole all the tariff threads, but they will continue to pop up because they are affecting gaming industry/consumers, political or not.
tariffs mean stuff from china and other places are more expensive to the US consumer
this means US consumers will likely buy fewer items from china and those places;
given enough time, tariffs may encourage producers to produce elsewhere
china is an export economy--it's how they make their money
the US is china's #1 customer, and a huge percentage of china's population is employed in manufacturing
US allies are also huge customers.
if the US buys less, china notices and may negotiate.
negotiate what? ip laws and litigation, ownership laws, anti-dumping practices, etc
thats the theory it appears
Think the problem is these threads turn into party politics with Trump/anti-Trump rhetoric and all that bullshit. If we talk about tariffs themselves and how they affect gaming and not all the tribalistic left vs right shit then I would think these threads would be fine.
This may be true for some countries but the US is the obvious exception to that because of FATCA.And no, you can't just tax the rich because they have the option to simply pack up and leave.
Yes, there are much bigger issues in the world!! What are we even complaining about?
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What a dumb opinion to hold on a fucking Gaming Enthusiast forum.
Doing pretty solid on that for the most part. At least imo. It's a little hard to dance around.
There's the thing where threads survive to late-stage though. Everyone with something to say has said it and the smoldering embers get all off topic.
It's a tiny bit tinier than a standard controller. It's a tiny issue.Are we gonna talk about the 8BitDo in the 8BitDo thread?
Is this thing worth getting if I already have the original Ultimate Bluetooth? Wondering if I should grab one from Amazon before they go oos.
The combine wealth of all the billionaires in the US is estimated to be 6 trillion. Fiscal year 24 the US spent 7 trillion and ran nearly a 2 trillion deficit (highly inflationary).This may be true for some countries but the US is the obvious exception to that because of FATCA.
The US could absolutely tax the rich if they wanted to.