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[RoboFu]

You're joking right? I'm assuming so given the clown faces at the end.......lol




Okay, so you were joking. Cool.



Wait until you see the price of that "Made in the USA" product. Plus we don't have the manufacturing ability to do what China is doing.

you are very worried about your luxury items aren't you. lol. and you only seem to care about wheat happens RIGHT NOW. that's exactly the mindset that got the US into the downward spiral.

 

[MSduderino]

When is this effective? You can still order most of their products on amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DB4NRTBP?ref=ppx_pt2_dt_b_prod_image&th=1

 

[kruis]

China has the upper hand here though. Other countries don't have the manufacturing facilities in place that China does. Nor do they have the dirt cheap labor. Like it or not, but the cheap labor is a big reason everything started getting made in China in the first place. China knows all this. They also know that these tariffs are not popular in the US. They can afford to be patient.

China isn't a low-wage manufacturing country anymore. Labor in China is expensive compared to real low-wage countries Vietnam, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia and Cambodia. But what China has is the ability to produce almost anything to high standards. They've got the factories, the manufacturing chains needed to produce a product using parts from dozens of different suppliers all located in the same region or even in the same city and the sales people and engineers to turn designs from western customers into real products at a very competitive price.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Time to organize a gamepad smuggling operation out of Eastern Europe and hide gamepads in Mexican cocaine shipments.

I guess.

 

[kruis]

When is this effective? You can still order most of their products on amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DB4NRTBP?ref=ppx_pt2_dt_b_prod_image&th=1

The import stop is effective right now. There'll be no new shipments of these controllers to the US. You'll still be able to buy controllers that are in stock, but once they're gone they're gone.

 

[Topher]

China isn't a low-wage manufacturing country anymore. Labor in China is expensive compared to real low-wage countries Vietnam, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia and Cambodia. But what China has is the ability to produce almost anything to high standards. They've got the factories, the manufacturing chains needed to produce a product using parts from dozens of different suppliers all located in the same region or even in the same city and the sales people and engineers to turn designs from western customers into real products at a very competitive price.

Yeah, but China is still low-wage compared to the United States and many other countries. That combined with their manufacturing capabilities, as you've pointed out, are what make China the manufacturing power house that they are.

 

[DeVeAn]

I really hope this thread gets locked for yet another tariff thread that devolves into a political shouting match. I don't come to GAF for this.

Ignore button is a feature.

 

[kruis]

Yeah, but China is still low-wage compared to the United States and many other countries. That combined with their manufacturing capabilities, as you've pointed out, are what make China the manufacturing power house that they are.

Yep. China is in the same league as countries like Mexico and Turkey with regards to wages but then there's the double whammy of enormous manufacturing capabilities, and a ginormous internal market. Once Chinese companies rise to the top in that highly competitive, enormously lucrative internal market they're ready to make minced meat of any foreign competitors.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Time to organize a gamepad smuggling operation out of Eastern Europe and hide gamepads in Mexican cocaine shipments.

I guess.

Nascar became a thing because of the old Prohibition days. Racing to the get the booze across states.
But I hear Nascar is losing interest and not getting the ticket sales it used to.
Maybe a new sport will arise for the future. Robot submarine racing?

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

China has the upper hand here though. Other countries don't have the manufacturing facilities in place that China does. Nor do they have the dirt cheap labor. Like it or not, but the cheap labor is a big reason everything started getting made in China in the first place. China knows all this. They also know that these tariffs are not popular in the US. They can afford to be patient.

yeah, dirt cheap labor + massive govt funding + very lax environmental regulations = why is started
but labor is getting more expensive in china, and will likely continue to rise. manufacturing jobs are not popular with younger people. automation en masse will likely be needed to to keep costs down longterm.
other countries will have lower labor costs.

not sure they can be tooooooo patient.
while the US is china's #1 customer, it's not a massive percentage of chinese GDP. losing the US wouldn't suck too bad.
biggest threat perhaps is the US and friends deciding to pull out of china and set up shop elsewhere longterm.
esp. with one of china's neighbors, esp. one that doesnt like china very much (which are many).
potentially... lost chinese revenue = big sustained economic boom for unfriendly neighbor.

 

[violence]

I'm thinking of buying a new transparent Pro 2. I doubt they altered the face buttons in the new hall stick update. I just don't like it for super Mario world.

 

[Crayon]

you are very worried about your luxury items aren't you. lol. and you only seem to care about wheat happens RIGHT NOW. that's exactly the mindset that got the US into the downward spiral.

Okay how long is this "right now" supposed to last? Couple weeks or couple decades or what? I'm making plans on what to buy to ride it out.

 

[Plies]

Why is China acting so petty?

 

[JCK75]

I like a lot of what he has done.. Tarriffs are where I'm out..
it's idiotic and my mind is blown that so many people are still behind them.

 

[Crayon]

yeah, dirt cheap labor + massive govt funding + very lax environmental regulations = why is started

+ the state has huge control over their finance and industry.

 

[Plies]

I like a lot of what he has done.. Tarriffs are where I'm out..
it's idiotic and my mind is blown that so many people are still behind them.

You don't really understand economics.
You're letting your emotions take control.

 

[Topher]

You don't really understand economics.
You're letting your emotions take control.

Eh....this is a hotly debated topic even among economists my man.

 

[Gripsx]

Canada keeps winning

 

[kiphalfton]

Yep , people trend to think just about the Big corpo like GM, Walmart, etc. Tariffs impact Will be huge on small bussiness, there are companies that will go down because there are not Even suppliers on other countries or Even U.S. to produce their parts on time and with a decent cost.

And casually those business are owned by middle class people , You don't hear they CEO on Walmart talking about closing stores because tariffs but Will hear a Lot of small business closing if nothing changes. Tariffs are a Tax , and taxes most of time affect middle class.

Wouldn't surprise me if one of the end goals is to edge out smaller businesses, to funnel business to mega corps.

One way or another, middle class is screwed.

 

[Boo Who?]

Canada keeps winning

 

[Plies]

Eh....this is a hotly debated topic even among economists my man.

Well, I have a genius level IQ, so it's tough for me to relate to normal brokies who think they understand economics.

 

[kiphalfton]

Are we gonna talk about the 8BitDo in the 8BitDo thread?

Is this thing worth getting if I already have the original Ultimate Bluetooth? Wondering if I should grab one from Amazon before they go oos.

Which one? The regular one or the switch variant? If it's the former, it's $59.99 plus 5% off on Amazon right now.

Amazon.com

 

[StereoVsn]

Are we gonna talk about the 8BitDo in the 8BitDo thread?

Is this thing worth getting if I already have the original Ultimate Bluetooth? Wondering if I should grab one from Amazon before they go oos.

Personally I like the new Gamesir controller a bit better.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0DPMGDZLZ?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

It's cheap, has good ergonomics and has a ton of functionality. And works with the Switch, PC (in multiple modes) and iOS/Android.

 

[Unknown?]

Wouldn't surprise me if one of the end goals is to edge out smaller businesses, to funnel business to mega corps.

One way or another, middle class is screwed.

Middle class has been screwed for decades due to deficit spending used to devalue the dollar which has lost 97% of its value since 1913.

Only way the middle class can be saved is for more states to pass sound money legislation.

 

[Calverz]

No politics please.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I literally just ordered this from their website

 

[Topher]

Well, I have a genius level IQ, so it's tough for me to relate to normal brokies who think they understand economics.

 

[StereoVsn]

Eh....this is a hotly debated topic even among economists my man.

Yep and half the issue isn't concept of tariffs themselves but incredibly idiotic and chaotic approach to them. Basically we are pissing off everyone, including our allies, and giving China a huge opening.

Methodical negotiations, long term plans and starting with China vs the world would have worked much better. And he'll, if the administration wants revenue, implement the 10% tariff (tax) like they did and work on stuff that makes sense.

We aren't bringing manufacturing back for a lot of items so nearshoring / friendshoring would make sense. And targeted subsidies / tariffs for industries that need support wouldn't be met with market meltdowns.

Because right now what's happening is the world essentially losing long term confidence in US financial system which is catastrophic considering levels of debt we have.

Anyways, I stocked up on bunch solder parts, electronics stuff, and so on. Should be good for a year, lol.

Edit: As a bonus Trump got Liberals elected in Canada when they were projected to lose massively. Of course that wasn't just tariffs related.

 

[Radical_3d]

Well, I have a genius level IQ, so it's tough for me to relate to normal brokies who think they understand economics.

Now I'm curious about how a genius level IQ ended: a) supporting tariffs (given that you've actually studied economy) and b) with that tag!

 

[Boo Who?]

Now I'm curious about how a genius level IQ ended: a) supporting tariffs (given that you've actually studied economy) and b) with that tag!

That is what is genius about it.

 

[ReasonBeing]

nah, its hilarious to see people on here complain like their lives are ruined. no perspective. even on forums such as a gaming forum.

You present a hyperbolic strawman and then immediately assert others lack perspective. The irony

 

[ReasonBeing]

I want him to fold and drop all the tariffs. Bring back American production the smart way- by educating the populace for factory work and giving BENEFITS to companies who produce American instead of taxing everybody giving stuff to us.
Do things in a long-term way because you're not gonna build factories and bring back production in 4 years. Assuming the guy even lives that long.

Doing things the way he does now just means that we're not gonna get nice well built gaming controllers for cheap anymore. Along with a whole host of other stuff but for the sake of the thread this is the main idea

I ask this in good faith. What do you mean by "educating the populace for factory work"?

 

[Crayon]

I ask this in good faith. What do you mean by "educating the populace for factory work"?

Well....

Ever notice how the factory doors close right around the time the school doors close?

 

[BennyBlanco]

I ask this in good faith. What do you mean by "educating the populace for factory work"?

Not to answer for the guy but American academia is so fucked. From a young age, our children are taught that you must go to college and bury yourself in debt to be successful. If you have a 4 year degree in art history you are a more useful member of society than a plumber. All feels like a weird scam to keep the money flowing.

 

[Zacfoldor]

In other news, fake dog shit shelves are also barren.

I hear rubber vomit may also see lower stocks over the next few weeks. Fake spray shit in a can is already out of stock everywhere I've checked.

There is even a run on fake snakes!

I'm not sure how we're gonna survive this fellas. We had a good run. My biggest worry is the 3rd party mario kart motion control wheel made out of pot metal and impactless clear plastic. We can't make food without that.

 

[kruis]

Not to answer for the guy but American academia is so fucked. From a young age, our children are taught that you must go to college and bury yourself in debt to be successful. If you have a 4 year degree in art history you are a more useful member of society than a plumber. All feels like a weird scam to keep the money flowing.

Any one aspiring to be plumber, carpenter, farmer etc. will be a far more useful, productive member of a society than any kid with an art or social science degree.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Any one aspiring to be plumber, carpenter, farmer etc. will be a far more useful, productive member of a society than any kid with an art or social science degree.

Especially electrician.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Any one aspiring to be plumber, carpenter, farmer etc. will be a far more useful, productive member of a society than any kid with an art or social science degree.

I feel like covid lockdowns laid out in plain english who the most useful members of society were. Tradesmen, healthcare workers, farmers, super market employees, longshoremen, etc all still had to show up to work.

 

[Boo Who?]

Especially electrician.

I tried to get my son to go this route, he starts medical school in a year. What a dope.

 

[ReasonBeing]

Not to answer for the guy but American academia is so fucked. From a young age, our children are taught that you must go to college and bury yourself in debt to be successful. If you have a 4 year degree in art history you are a more useful member of society than a plumber. All feels like a weird scam to keep the money flowing.

Well, I also have an idea of what they may mean, but I don't want to spoil the well by putting words in their mouth.

As far as your point, I think it's more accurate to say that our society held that belief, rather than it being something that was arbitrarily forced on us by academia. There are many ways to look at this topic, but I always felt that our culture and society shapes our education ideals more so than the other way around, considering academia as whole is just a reflection of the people who make up academia.

I'm painting with broad strokes here, but the depression babies were the professors and teachers of the boomers, and their message in general reflected the hardship of their childhood. Their message generally centered around the idea of "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps". The boomers who grew up in a post war economic boom and became the professors and teachers of the gen x and millennials. Their message either generally focused on making the maxing out the opportunities through higher education mixed with the ideals of the hippy counter culture. So on and so on. Obviously there will be much overlap.

Honestly though, it seems that this cycle is still ongoing, and the idea that society frowns upon "just learning a trade" seems to have been slowly shifting away from that sentiment over the past 20 years. I think your framing of the issue doesn't necessarily reflect the current state of things, it's just that these shifts in education ideals are slow moving.

Most important thing to consider though is I'm just a stranger on the internet talking out of my ass. These are just my thoughts.

Any one aspiring to be plumber, carpenter, farmer etc. will be a far more useful, productive member of a society than any kid with an art or social science degree.

They can both be productive members of society who contribute in different ways.

 

[Crayon]

I feel like covid lockdowns laid out in plain english who the most useful members of society were. Tradesmen, healthcare workers, farmers, super market employees, longshoremen, etc all still had to show up to work.

Also fast food, Amazon, and gig workers. So many white collars crying to work from home had no problem ordering their grub hub.

 

[JCK75]

You don't really understand economics.
You're letting your emotions take control.

I understand that economics perfectly, I understand that if the goal is reciprocal tariffs and you want to get better trade deals with leverage, I'm on board.. the problem is the man doesn't know what he wants. He keeps flip-flopping back and forth.. claims it's about getting production back in the United States. Well guess what.. you don't accomplish that just by getting better trade deals.. Even with what we manufacture here, we still need resources and parts that other countries produce.. if your product needs rubber that cannot be grown in the United States.. good luck with all that

 

[mckmas8808]

Sounds like a post I should be reading on a purple forum with blue dye in my hair!

Easy fix is for china to treat us fairly no?

If it was so easy, why hasn't every other country and America just snapped their fingers and made China treat everybody "fairly"?

 

[sodstall]

When is this effective? You can still order most of their products on amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DB4NRTBP?ref=ppx_pt2_dt_b_prod_image&th=1

yeah was gonna say they link to the amazon pages from their site if you dont go the store section directly on the site. Just got an ultimate 2 wireless last week from the amazon page in like 2-3 days. Not even a prime member.

 

[Loomy]

it's a bluff to get people riled up. This is all a big game of chicken. Lol

Big game of chlorinated chicken.

 

[LimanimaPT]

good. china's been screwing us a long time. and to those complaining this screws the US consumer. please grow up, its a freaking controller. go outside...

And exactly how as been china screwing the US?

 

[calico]

President Trump is right about the need to force manufacturing back into the US, and right that it can only be achieved by making foreign quasi-slave labour comparatively less competitive via tariffs. He is likely wrong however if he believes the American public will accept suffering short term pain for long term gain.

America has the leverage economically, but China has the huge advantage of not needing to care what its people think about the situation.

 

[Crayon]

In other news, fake dog shit shelves are also barren.

I hear rubber vomit may also see lower stocks over the next few weeks. Fake spray shit in a can is already out of stock everywhere I've checked.

There is even a run on fake snakes!

I'm not sure how we're gonna survive this fellas. We had a good run. My biggest worry is the 3rd party mario kart motion control wheel made out of pot metal and impactless clear plastic. We can't make food without that.

Fake poop, rubber snakes, controllers, batteries, clothes, and cars. Nothing essential. C'mon, knock it off.

 

[StueyDuck]

Fake poop, rubber snakes, controllers, batteries, clothes, and cars. Nothing essential. C'mon, knock it off.

and you aren't one iota concerned that you rely entirely on China (a communist country) for Batteries and Cars?

 

[username12]

8bitdo seems to have removed the notice from their website.

Long enough to get free advertising from Polygon.