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POPGAF |OT3| Geo Da Silva > nails on chalkboard > Taylor Swift
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I said pop girls. I didn't say pop Legends.
Wafflecakes
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So what are the airplay numbers?
I actually do find it interesting about whether she'll be remembered. I mean, her number one songs:
SOS
Umbrella
Take a Bow
Disturbia
Rude Boy
Only Girl (In The World)
What's My Name?
S&M
We Found Love
Diamonds
Live Your Life
Love the Way You Lie
I mean, I know I'm not the audience for these songs but it looks to me as if an a series of one-hit wonder songs were somehow all given repeatedly to the same commercially viable pop star who achieves tremendous success with them, while never achieving anything lasting.
Trying hard to fix what its obvious. Poor dat.
There were a surprise for her record label and industry insiders who had pegged the opening numbers at least above 100k, which would have been an abysmal number in the second busiest month of the year.
Being outsold by The Weeknd (who?), with an album containing songs previously available for free, is testament enough of the inexcusable numbers Xtincta managed to pull (or, rather, not pull).
There's only so much blame you can place on the lack of promotion, and judging by how little her material moved after the few promotional performances she's done, the argument holds even less weight.
Trying too hard to be relevant in this conversation. Poor you.
Majmun
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The Illuminati also have preferences, tho. Rita Ora is slaying the UK, but the rest of the world is still not interested. Her time will come.
MIA is going to be an interesting case, too.
Beyonce, Jay and Rihanna are the biggest moneymakers. And that will never change. Blue Ivy can already retire thanks to Rih's slayage alone.
I see you are pressed. Keep entertaining me tho.
Exactly. I completely forgot that some of the songs you listed were even number 1. Rihanna has the radio to thank for her impressive amount of number 1 hits.
Rihanna has no true classic. There is no 'classic Rihanna' that will be played in the future.
Y'all sure do use the term "Legend" quickly.
For me the jury's still out on how Adele will be remembered. I mean, she's got that one monster album, but one monster album alone isn't enough to make someone forever relevant. Just look at Shania Twain. People don't even remember how hard she smashed in her prime.
Legend status requires an entire body of work. Adele's still in the lane of generational footnote, imo...
One only has to see the demographic The Weeknd appeals to see that it really isn't a surprise they're selling well. Lotus wasn't the only album they've clocked.
Just A Fool jumped 40 spots and entered the Hot 100 after her performance of it on The Voice. I think there's a LOT of blame that can be placed on lack of promotion, and particularly Xtina's lack of visibility as a music artist.
Wafflecakes
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She is not the self destruction type me thinks....too much of a genius business woman.
Shania had three monster albums, thank you very much.
Wafflecakes
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Her last (2002) album sold 20 million.
Yes.
Who doesn't remember Come On Over? It's only the highest selling studio album by a female in history.
Wafflecakes
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I have to disagree. Up until last year, I would have agreed, but I think that WFL is that Classic Rih song. As much and as big as Umbrella and WMN were, I wouldn't classify them as a classic song, and the rest of her #1s are smaller than those two, but I think that classic song is WFL for her. Whether it will be remembered in 20 years? Who knows. Who knows whether any song currently out will be remembered in 20 years?
She seems like she's got a bit of an inflated ego, and if she leans too far towards being 'arty' and forgets that she still needs to provide the mainstream hits, then that could be her downfall.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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A doped out drunk, who pisses in buckets? Y'all give this Gaga harlot way too much.
I agree. She only recently begun her worldwide dominance and we will have to wait for album number 3 to see if she will continue with that.
To be honest though, there's nothing really fascinating about her, and she is sort of depressing. I want to compare her slayage to Mariah Carey's, but at least Mariah had sex appeal and was able to throw out catchy pop hits like Fantasy and Touch My Body. I don't think Adele would be down for that.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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I don't.
What's with this random Shania shade that's completely wrong? How does one gauge if an artist is remembered? Shania has mostly been completely reclusive until 2010, and there is still no new music in sight. And she's about to start her tenure, which will let people see her once again. No clue about show ticket sales, though I'd imagine they're great.
And as the good sis Mumei and sis Koo already pointed out, Shania has sold better than these new pop girls will do in their entire careers.
And as the good sis Mumei and sis Koo already pointed out, Shania has sold better than these new pop girls will do in their entire careers.
Wafflecakes
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Phillip Phillips just went #1 on itunes apparently. 4th time in 6 months. 2.5 million sales and climbing on the airplay charts fast.
He is smashing...and it makes me sad.
He is smashing...and it makes me sad.
I'm very curious to see how Adele fares post-21. The album set a very high bar in her career.
Weird, I thought she released something and it flopped. I must be thinking of someone else.
Weird, I thought she released something and it flopped. I must be thinking of someone else.
She loves making music and has tons of fans that would buy her album in an instant
I mean 6 million FAME bottles in one week
Even if she no longer makes mainstream hits she would have 2-3 more albums
But Gaga knows better to not divert too much from the mainstream and is here for the long run
Wafflecakes
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Pretty much my thoughts. She is an icon even if some outside of the country audience are somewhat unaware of her.
Are they in the forefront of peoples' consciousness? Probably not. But if you started playing a Shania song, I bet almost every person will recognize it.
Why Mariah? In terms of release schedule Rihanna of all people is most similar to Mariah. I think Rihanna has had even more U.S. singles and albums released in the same time period, actually.
RT
But we've moved on now. We'll pick up this convo next year.
I like how every year we keep having the same "Rihanna will be over soon" conversation. And every year she proves you cunts wrong.
This one however is even more hilarious coming from ONE DIRECTION stans
Think about that.
But we've moved on now. We'll pick up this convo next year.
But wasn't being a Country-Pop crossover artist the big thing about her back in the day?
Not shading Shania, but I think the fact that she doesn't really have a place among Pop icons despite Pop audiences being a major contributor to her success is telling of her status. She's not in the Madonna lane. She's doing flop shows on Oprah's flop network.
Wafflecakes
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Well TBH when she was a pop crossover the idea was almost unheard of. Nowadays with Carrie and Taylor its not as big of a deal.
What Shania did was unprecedented.
She did one show.
Now she's starting her tenure in Vegas. You know, where Celine Dion also performs, amongst other legends. Make no mistake, Shania is an icon, a legend. She may not be in Madonna's lane, but then neither is Xtincta.
So can a Rihanna stan tell me how many of the 40-some singles listed on her discography page were singles that should count (e.g. not remixes or limited releases or non-U.S. singles)?
Because Mariah is a huge force with albums and singles. rihanna has trouble with both, really.
But, I'm not so sure of how much Mariah's older work sold when it was recent, or maybe 5 years old.
I do like Shania tho. ;__;
This IS a lot truer than most people acknowledge.
But then what does Xtina have to do with this?
Mariah's catalog sales have historically been pretty mediocre considering her status, if I'm remembering correctly. But I don't really see reason for comparing Mariah to Adele. There are plenty of singers who have a monstrously successful album.
Wafflecakes
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He likes "things".....like that stupid this.jpg he used at every opportunity for what seemed like an eternity
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4tes1XsCB1r113x5.gif
....luckily it never caught on.
Though I think 21 is was bigger than people give her credit for considering how much lower album sales are now......it could easily have been far higher imo.
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