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Crumpet Trumpet
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No wonder gays have such a high rate of depression when even members of their own community slam celebs who come out of the closet. What kind of message does that send?
And even if he came out for ~sales, the fact that it's the Xtina stans condemning him for using his sexuality to sell records is the HEIGHT of irony.
And even if he came out for ~sales, the fact that it's the Xtina stans condemning him for using his sexuality to sell records is the HEIGHT of irony.
Right yeah, I guess everyone in the media referring to Santigold as hiphop and rap must have been because of her brave coming out as transgendered, too.
Wait, no, it's because the media can be fuckwits about this kind of thing.
Because the Miguel vs. Frank Ocean 'thing' is something that exists only in your steam-pressed mind? There are lots of high-reviewed albums that get barely any media attention. Crystal Castles' (III) is one of the best albums of the year but it hasn't been nominated for any Grammys either.
No wonder gays have such a high rate of depression when even members of their own community slam celebs who come out of the closet. What kind of message does that send?
And even if he came out for ~sales, the fact that it's the Xtina stans condemning him for using his sexuality to sell records is the HEIGHT of irony.
Preach that holy word. Britney and Xtincta stans have no business coming for anyone ever for using sexuality to sell. Those are the poster bitches for sexuality selling.
No wonder gays have such a high rate of depression when even members of their own community slam celebs who come out of the closet. What kind of message does that send?
And even if he came out for ~sales, the fact that it's the Xtina stans condemning him for using his sexuality to sell records is the HEIGHT of irony.
I think the severe irony here is how the VAST majority of Frank's music is from the perspective of a man lusting after a woman. Irony INDEED.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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Britney's "career" from the beginning was more about her being a slutty looking virgin, her relationship with Justin Timberlake, and her not being all that bright. She was "relevant" because kids bought her records and she was what straight men consider pretty.
I can't say much about Christina's press, she didn't get that much.
Subjective.
Like how whenever I put on Frank in the plug room you leave or bitch about it the whole time?
You (popgaf) might not have started it, but you'll (botty) be damned if you let us forget it.
Imma need you to start complaining about every artist that uses "sex" to sell their work. If i went on a tirade every time I had to look at Christina's bosoms, I'd be number one in posts. Why are you following Franks instagram and tumblr anyway? The fact is, YOU post about Frank more than we do. And you seem infinitely bothered by him. Do you see something of yourself when you look at Frank?
Except Godney and Legend X have FANS that CARE about their music. None of y'all care about Francis and it shows.
Crumpet Trumpet
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Because sexual fluidity in men is just a myth right?
But Frank is bisexual, no?
<+)O Robido O(+>
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See you're talking about "music artists" everyone else is talking about pop stars. There's a difference, IMO.
Wafflecakes
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Wow this thread has gotten messy....and over Frank?
I may actually have to listen to his album to find out what the fuss is about.
I may actually have to listen to his album to find out what the fuss is about.
No wonder gays have such a high rate of depression when even members of their own community slam celebs who come out of the closet. What kind of message does that send?
And even if he came out for ~sales, the fact that it's the Xtina stans condemning him for using his sexuality to sell records is the HEIGHT of irony.
It's kind of shameful to be honest. Do people really think that announcing you're bi before your first album drops is some kind of cynical marketing move? I wonder why roy and botty think there are so few gay people in the entertainment industry even though acting, singing and dancing are a heaumeaux's favourite activities? It would be so good for their careers and critical acclaim!
That's not nice
don't do this. Pop music ARISTS are ARTISTS though. Just cause they don't compose all their music doesn't make them less of an artistArte, I'm impressed. You actually made a serious post. Several! Excellent job; I thought I'd never see the day.
Well, two out of three ain't bad.
Do you really mean to imply that you've never heard of music artists that burst onto the scene and were made media darlings due to the sheer quality of their talent/music and not the self-made controversy surrounding it?
??????
Well, two out of three ain't bad.
I should have never posted this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39981561&postcount=595
which then led to months of this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39982981&postcount=603
I'm sorry PopGaf
which then led to months of this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39982981&postcount=603
I'm sorry PopGaf
lol, then that must mean that POP-GAF messiness is great promo. We should argue about him in OT more too.
Because dislike for Frank Ocean translates into dislike/cynicism surrounding any LGBT singer/actor/performer?
I suppose I better get to it on my Glambert shade, then.
Perhaps this is why the Xtincta stans are fond of the shit lyricism found in Stripped and beyond, where nuance and subtlety have been left checked at the door.No wonder gays have such a high rate of depression when even members of their own community slam celebs who come out of the closet. What kind of message does that send?
And even if he came out for ~sales, the fact that it's the Xtina stans condemning him for using his sexuality to sell records is the HEIGHT of irony.
Seems like telling the public to RUB her BOTTLE the RIGHT WAY so the GENIE can COME OUT wasn't a starved cry for publicity and a usage of sexuality to the most extreme.
Now what in fuck's name are you talking about? I like Frank and I care about his music. What am I supposed to do, bring him up in this thread all the time? First of all, he doesn't really belong in this thread to begin with. Second, I don't think anybody brings up Frank Ocean because you and botty will just go on another tyrade.
Also it's clear that none of Xtincta's fans care about her music else it would be selling.
1) The song that broke Christina onto the scene was Reflection tho. Yeah it wasn't a smash hit, but it was the song that got people checking for her in the first place.
2) Don't pretend like your fave's music isn't swimming in metaphor.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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Inaccurate.
You must be new to paying attention to pop artists. Your fave was naked in Maxim, right? I have seen enough Christina and Britney skin to last me to the end of YOUR days. But it must be just okay when pretty little girls do it huh? Heaven forbid anyone capitalize on their looks. No ones ever done that in the music industry. Everyone should just be an ugly pothead like Gaga.
Yes, because Frank Ocean was the talk of the town prior to me joining Pop Gaf.
Nice try, but why would he be mentioned in a POP thread when he's not that? I can't vouch but I imagine he was talked about in the GAF Hop thread, where he belongs.
I'm still laughing that he managed to snag a #1 album with 77,000.
Now Rob, you know Stripped wasn't our fave's debut era, right? Christina was becoming a household name years before any of that went down. In fact, that's what made her Maxim spread so notorious. Christina had been America's sweetheart with the golden pipes until that Stripped.
Why because he's black? He isn't a rapper.
RIGHT!?
Are you saying that the only artist who are referred or discussed in this thread are exclusive to the pop genre?
Who the fuck is talking about "critical response," tho?
Regardless of what the critics thought about it at the time, Reflection WAS the song that introduced America's youth to Christina Aguilera. I honestly don't think her actual debut would have been as explosive without it.
Wafflecakes
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Lots of genre's are discussed here......but those genre's also tend not to have their own OT's.
Wait, when was Christina America's sweetheart? I must have been asleep during that era.
You were. lol
And of course it was a song that stood on its own artistic merit, and didn't get attention at all through any kind of marketing, because that is what true artists do.
This thread this afternoon....
Frank and Xtina need to collab so we can have some peace. At least for a while.
The thing is, she probably would if the opportunity presented itself. Xtina loves Frank....;________;
I would tell you to keep spreading the truth but like all of us here you're wasting your time. It's funny just how a double standard is being costructed here. Also funny that Botty is comparing Frank posting a shirtless photo or two of himself to Xtincta posing for Maxim or the myriad of sexual promo Xtincta and Britney did when they debuted.
Had no idea Mulan was a "controvercial" movie, which was the point being discussed.
Majmun
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What a bunch of LIES
No everyone uses just Pyramids.
Sure, Thinking about You and Pyramids get a lot of mention, and that's because they're singles and very good to begin with.
But tracks like Sierra Leone, Sweet Life, Super Rich Kids, Pilot Jones, Crack Rock, Lost, Bad Reigion, Pink Matter and Forrest Gump are AMAZING also.
Wait....did I just mention 3/4 of his album? Yep, it's THAT good. And don't forget about his excellent Notalgia Mixtape.
People are still bopping to Novacane and Swim Good. They're classics and the Mixtape received a lot of praise and hype. And that was before his coming out...
You haters are just pressed and are definitely reaching now.
Is this shade
I'm not pretending, the problem here is you pretending otherwise.
Xtincta did not become known on the basis of her music any more than the publicity surrounding her subtle sluttiness and rivalry with Britney. Coming for Frank's bisexuality as his claim to fame as an Xtincta stan is the height of irony, and then pretending Xtincta didn't also break out due to the publicity surrounding her sexuality is the height of delusion.
And no, Reflection did not break her onto the scene. It was an important song for her, but the public sure as hell was asking WHO? until the aforementioned BOTTLE RUBBING dropped.
Interesting that no one wants to address the fact that "Pyramids" is the only song that gets used off of Francis' beloved album.
Interesting that you don't want to address the fact that Koodo said earlier he really likes Forrest Gump and you laughed it off with a gay comment.
Indeed.
I don't know where these delusions that Christina wasn't using sex to sell from the very beginning are coming from. "But Britney was, too!" is not a comeback; the Britney stans aren't delusional about this particular fact.
Supermanisdead
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Interesting that no one wants to address the fact that "Pyramids" is the only song that gets used off of Francis' beloved album.
There's a lot of really great songs on the album. Pyramids is the best, but I really like Super Rich Kids and Sweet Life.
If you knew the name of all these songs without looking at iTunes, then color me impressed.
Is this shade
No.
Sex =/= Sexuality.
Britney and Christina were not known JUST for their image, but also their music. Frank Ocean is literally being headlined for his sexuality, and how he came out, and not for his music. There is a difference. I think certain people in here are just victimizing the situation, instead of addressing the facts being presented.
Crumpet Trumpet
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I'm trying to see where they are coming from. Is it because Frank Ocean, as a man, used his sexuality and got critical acclaim in return while Britney and Christina, as women, got lambasted for doing the same? You may have a point I would recognize if you said that instead of harping on about Frank using his coming out as a marketing ploy.
Interesting that no one wants to address the fact that "Pyramids" is the only song that gets used off of Francis' beloved album.
I use Lost the most. Oh noez
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