I was surprised how much Hillary appeared to get knocked off track tonight, I thought she was going to be much tighter but it felt like she actually was less prepared. Trump had so much be to hit on and it felt like it was barely touched on while Trump did what a lot of people like, attack attack attack that had her on defense at times.
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Presidential Debate #2 |Washington University| Grab me right in the Ken Bone
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I honestly thought he was terminal with all the chair leaning. Like he was ready to meet his maker.
King Tubby
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Trump won that debate, but it may have killed him strategically wrt GOP. I dont think it's enough for him to recover.
AHA-Lambda
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awful debate
Trump was a zombie at the start but picked up, he did better than expected from the first debate. Played to his crowd with his brash attitude as per
Hillary didn't do as well as last time, a little bruising definitely
Who knows how it moves the needle, as bad as Trump still was I wouldn't be shocked to see him pick up some undecideds
and moderators were great, holy hell a million miles better than last time
for anyone saying "but how else would you do it?" from last time, that's how!
Trump was a zombie at the start but picked up, he did better than expected from the first debate. Played to his crowd with his brash attitude as per
Hillary didn't do as well as last time, a little bruising definitely
Who knows how it moves the needle, as bad as Trump still was I wouldn't be shocked to see him pick up some undecideds
and moderators were great, holy hell a million miles better than last time
for anyone saying "but how else would you do it?" from last time, that's how!
Syphon Filter
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give trump his props people.
People wanted a bloodbath, meanwhile Clinton stood back and just let him hit himself.
The Omega Man
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is Kenneth Bone a Gaffer? He should be one, also what's his WoW guild?
Edit: dammit Breakage
Edit: dammit Breakage
Jawbreaker
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Hillary had a pretty weak performance. She played defense for a lot of the debate and didn't fire back at Trump when there were clear openings. Trump was unhinged and spewing diarrhea of the mouth, but he looked dominant despite it.
Androidsleeps
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Hillary's tame-ness maybe means another big hit coming before the next weekend?
Already Torn
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To be fair, it's a lot easier for him
Hasn't spoken to him. It was during the syria question.
KeyBladerXIII
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Ken Bone chilling with Bill Clinton on CNN.
Ninja Scooter
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OMG Bill Clinton just shook hands with Bone
Barely mentioned? It was a big part of the beginning of the debate.
GitarooMan
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I think throwing Pence under the bus "he hadn't spoken to him" will be the thing to gain traction.
broncobuster
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Only praise I'll give Trump is front loading the debate with the vilest, nastiest remarks, and ending it on a nice-ish note. Because simple folk will only remember the ending.
But of the 40 minutes Trump spoke, less than 40 seconds were of substance.
Hillary had a good, even performance. Talked about the issues but no major moments as in the last; even Kaine had some zingers.
But of the 40 minutes Trump spoke, less than 40 seconds were of substance.
Hillary had a good, even performance. Talked about the issues but no major moments as in the last; even Kaine had some zingers.
Bearjewpiter
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I see your point but I didn't get that from the question. I certainly see now that it could come off that way to a lot of people which would be bad for their ideas of politics. I was just happy to hear something that they could answer like human beings and not as someone who needs to get the last word in to sound bigger and better than the other. But thanks for the explanation, I didn't catch it before.
How the hell was that a win for him? Did you listen to any of his actual answers?
Trump was terrible in the beginning but got "better" than the very very low bar he set for himself. Clinton held her chin up, looked shaky when on the defense, but didn't try to go for any killing blow. Overall, Trump fucked up way too many times to change the race and there will be plenty of ammo to use against him in the post-debate spin.
TheContact
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Was hoping for a better answer from the "two faced politician" question. She should have just told it like it is
Mass Effect
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It's a safety thing I believe.
Frustrated_me
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This is GAF.
Shake Appeal
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Substance doesn't count for much in presidential debates.
The Clintons and Trumps have rubbed shoulders for years. They have to have some link if they have been so friendly for decades.
Overall I feel the debate was generally bad. Hillary screwed up by getting into the mud with Trump. She should have just played it straight and talked to the audience. Trump was Trump and I feel came out no worse but didn't improve either.
Seems like the only one damaged in all of this is Billy Bush.
Hillary won the debate but it was not a huge win.
Trump was acting like a deranged clown for the first 20 or so minutes as he was obviously really upset about the video, but he calmed down and did better as the night went on.
Obviously he never really answered a single question and just rants to get out the same 6 things he has been saying all year, but Hillary did not murder or put him away after that first really shaky 20 minutes.
Crossposted from poligaf:
I think Hillary has a serious problem with being unable to actually attack Donald.
He brings up Bill's problems, she deflects to talk about how much he sucks without actually addressing his statements on bill.
She doesn't do enough to point out how horseshit this whole email scandal is and is just trying to squeak by saying "I know I fucked up, wouldn't do it again"
She's got mad policy skills, but she shouldn't keep trying to tank all those hits, especially since she has bigger issues trying to communicate her meaningful and therefore complex policies while Trump works in soundbites that mean nothing but are easier to digest.
Oh man. I really hope the polls end up vindicating her, but after this spectacular weekend, I expected to see a televised verbal murder happen on stage. Instead, Raddatz chewed him out over his bullshit more than she did.
I think Hillary has a serious problem with being unable to actually attack Donald.
He brings up Bill's problems, she deflects to talk about how much he sucks without actually addressing his statements on bill.
She doesn't do enough to point out how horseshit this whole email scandal is and is just trying to squeak by saying "I know I fucked up, wouldn't do it again"
She's got mad policy skills, but she shouldn't keep trying to tank all those hits, especially since she has bigger issues trying to communicate her meaningful and therefore complex policies while Trump works in soundbites that mean nothing but are easier to digest.
Oh man. I really hope the polls end up vindicating her, but after this spectacular weekend, I expected to see a televised verbal murder happen on stage. Instead, Raddatz chewed him out over his bullshit more than she did.
Zantetsuken
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Same here. He deflected to attacking Hillary on every question he asked. Just because he made a half assed compliment people think he's able to succeed as POTUS now.
I dont think you understand.
Abinash117
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It was pretty obvious that during the debate that she wouldn't assault him. It looked like her strategy was bring up things about Trump, but as part of her answer of what she wanted to do.
Some people like to see him assault her and it will play well with them, but that was the only really thing he done. It most likely will be mixed.
Can't remember what the specific question was, but the moderator brought up a policy Pence had described in the VP debate, Trump responded that he hadn't spoken to Pence in a while and disagreed with what Pence said in the debate.
ding ding ding
Yep.
Phrozenflame500
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I don't know. Hillary made a strong effort to appear dignified, but Trump comparatively was way better then his prior performance and the bar may just be that low.
Overall though I think this is unlikely to move the polls at all. Which is good for Clinton since she's so far ahead.
Overall though I think this is unlikely to move the polls at all. Which is good for Clinton since she's so far ahead.
To me he said nothing of substance.
Pai Pai Master
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If I did it, I wouldn't think it made me more qualified to be president.
Dunedain_Ranger
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whats that old saying i felt Hillary fought to not lose but didn't fight to win this one ...... no real damage done one more to go
he doesnt deserve props, he acted like the vile piece of shit he always acted and went low every chance he could get., He is doing a press tour with rape victims right now. Get fucked any fucking piece of shit asshole that supports Trump.
DangerMouse
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It's funny. Somehow the media won't pick up on it.
ding ding ding
Yup. That's the issue with the town hall debate: they don't always get good questions.
for posterity
That woman had such good reactions. Hillary's first zing at trump, I think that he's trying to pivot away from talking about his failing campain, she recoiled like hillary pulled her pants down and took a shit.
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