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I wished the black goo was the same as species 2. and that the guy wanted to produce as much offspring as he could and even tried with the blonde. but not succees and becomes the sort of monster.

worms came in this movie in contact with the goo. as such was the origin of the wormish facehuggers... trying to "again" produce offspring and attack the humans in such a way to come in contact with their flesh./stomach. (?)

or that an ant came in contact.with the goo - would explain aliens 2- (than again that probably happend in aliens. the whole hive thing)

anyhow just my 2 cents because. This movie is awesome because you can speculate about it. posted from my phone so sorry for crappy sentences.
 
Fair enough. Still, it doesn't explain how its happened before.

The sequel needs to be a prequel.

I was assuming it was just the fluid that made it happen before/in other places. They're clearly aware of what it does. Because it interacts with DNA, and the Engineers DNA is the same as our DNA, we can assume that it would have the same effects on them as us, resulting in the same breed of xenos.
 
That reminds me, if the Engineers were running away from whatever; why would they run into the room where a good chunk of the containers are being held?

I guess the xenomorph(s) chasing them will kill them in a few seconds and the containers won't? I don't think you would really care where you are going if it means you can put a door between yourself and those creatures.
 
why do you guys think the space marine in the prologue killed himself via goo?

I believe what we saw was the process of our creation as we see DNA formed and dispersed on Earth.

As to why they want to attack Earth, I felt that the guy in the beginning wasn't supposed to be there. Creating a new race in his image therefor threatening his own race one day (kill your creator kind of thing.) Idk, that is just my theory but who the hell knows :/

Edit: Just read that short Ridley interview. Appears that it could be any planet but he is "gardening" them.
 
I guess that's possible. Good catch.



I assume there was no threat in that room as the containers were all sealed? They only started to leak after the crew altered the atmosphere and David opened one to retrieve the contents.

It's possible the worms which mutated attacked the other containers out of curiosity which made those ones leak? Probably not though.

Yeah, I don't think there was any apparent danger w/ sealed containers to the Engineers. And the movie always showed them in their space suits, which could have also doubled as biohazard suits.

I think the containers in the room started leaking (and the murals changing) because they recognized the presence of significant organic material.


Re: the black goo - I just had the opinion that it was an extremely advanced virus / genetic bioweapon. Inherits certain host properties, adapts quickly with the environment, and tries to replicate itself.
 
BREAKING: According to Damon Lindelof, Prometheus is "hard scifi".

In related news, Ray Bradbury passed away.


*insert guy complaining about science in a sci-fi film*
How patently absurd!

*insert guy complaining about things in the story happening to move the story along*
And who cares if they don't make sense!

Do you not find the concept of Noomi and David in space inherently cool or something? What's so wrong with that setup? The dynamic of their relationship alone would be enough to make an interesting movie. Then they're also searching space for the answers to the deepest questions you can imagine, with the means to find those answers. How is that not an exciting plot concept?
I worry about things getting somewhat stale once Shaw dies of starvation.
 
I liked the movie quite a bit.

I get the feeling that the leaked storyline was 100% legit, except it was the backstory of the Engineers rather than the plot of the actual film.

We weren't the first humans to reach the Engineers. They seeded humans on several worlds. 2,000 years ago another group of humans reached them. But what was supposed to be a joyous meeting went south. The humans were arrogant and combative and tried to steal the secret of creation from the Engineers. The Engineers turned loose a scouring weapon on the humans, but it went wrong and ended up killing the Engineers. That's why that survivor was so hostile to the Weyland team. The team walked into the aftermath of a war between the Gods and their own creation.

The only parts I didn't really care for were Shaw and David flying off into space for buddy comedy adventures and the gigantic facehugger. How would that thing have gained so much mass?
 
Re: the black goo - I just had the opinion that it was an extremely advanced virus / genetic bioweapon. Inherits certain host properties, adapts quickly with the environment, and tries to replicate itself.

It seemed to me that it morphs DNA.

I just want to remind people that there's half an hour of deleted scenes and a possible 2 more movies to bridge the gap between this and Alien. Any problems you have with the story may be 'fixed' later on, or might make them even worse lol.
 
After reading Ridley talking about Space Jesus I now want to forget the film ever happened.

What a complete clusterfuck of a premise shoehorned into the Alien universe.
 
It seemed to me that it morphs DNA.

Yeah, that makes sense to me. And whatever life comes from the morphing seems to find it's own way. I think the vagueness of it all was intentional to open up the universe some more and not necessarily stick with the aliens we see in Alien and sequels.

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As for the relationship between Engineers and humans, and I'm pretty sure it's been stated before or at least explained somewhat in the movie. Impressions:

The Engineers were conducting experiments and creating lifeforms that could be used as weapons.

Life was created on Earth by the Engineers (intro). If this was a rogue engineer or on purpose isn't exactly clear, but the fact that Engineers check up on life, as scientists would check up on experiments (ancient civilizations drawing/writing about Engineers w/ star map), seems to indicate that Earth was seeded on purpose.

Thing is, the Engineers didn't want human beings (or any other life, for that matter) to rival them in terms of intellect or technology (the hostility of the Engineer towards the end of the movie indicates this), so the star map was planted on Earth so that if life ever became advanced enough to seek out the Engineers, it would lead said life to the bioweapons installation on LV223.

Then the Engineers would find where the intelligent/rival life forms came from and send a ship with bioweapons to wipe it out.

However, in Prometheus, the bioweapons (black goo) seem to leak on mistake, leading to the events we see in ships holograph logs in the movie.

And essentially, history keeps repeating itself (as evidenced in Aliens, Alien3, and Alien Resurrection (ugh)). Humans, like the Engineers, view the black goo/aliens as a bioweapon and want to harness and use it for whatever, but shit always goes wrong.
 
Maybe it ate more characters nobody cared about. Somehow.

hehe.

I admit this did annoy me somewhat, just how on Earth did it get so big?

They really should have left it small as it didn't make any sense for it to grow to that size in such a short amount of time.

Small and incredibly powerful, it gets out when the life pod crashes, stalks Shaw but ultimately catches the engineer by surprise as he's busy trying to choke our/kill Shaw.

Would have made that scene so much better.
 
They really should have left it small as it didn't make any sense for it to grow to that size in such a short amount of time.

Small and incredibly powerful, it gets out when the life pod crashes, stalks Shaw but ultimately catches the engineer by surprise as he's busy trying to choke our/kill Shaw.

Would have made that scene so much better.

I agree.

There are so many scenes that could have been so much better with just minor changes.
 
Just thinking about it some more.

Giger allways intended that Xenomorphs were sexual beings.
Now this race/virus wants to gain numbers wants to grow like any other organic mass. However this virus reacts very violent.

I could see the being integrating the host and becoming violent and sexuall actife: facehuggerworms are an example and facehuggers too are in this way unique. I even think that the xenomorph born from the creator will mate with an other xenomorph if it gets the chance. and not adopting the hivemind idea. Or that it can split like a worm and there are two.

and that as in my previous post the goo came in aliens (because there was a ship allso) first in contact with an ant so that the virus adopted it form of duplicating. (queen...)

Anyhow that would explain the different facehuggers/alien. and my slight suspicion of the species link.
 
If this was a flaw in the movie, then all sci-fi drama is inherently flawed. The crew being able breath in the dome, told us that indeed an artificial atmosphere mirroring EARTH was created there. Something you might've missed.

What are you talking about?

It makes sense that a facility that housed those who created humans in their image would have environmental similarities to earth.
 
Would it have been hard to have a scenario where one of the mapping-things malfunctions and those two guys go to fix it, then the storm comes along and those two guys don't make it out in time and have to wait behind?

In that scenario they could have added some tension by having the communication not working because of the storm and then when it's over they can't reach them. A team goes back to look for them and as they find one of them dead they start to hear panicked screams on the radio from the ship as the "zombie-guy" has made his way back and is going berserk on the ship.

They really should have left it small as it didn't make any sense for it to grow to that size in such a short amount of time.

Small and incredibly powerful, it gets out when the life pod crashes, stalks Shaw but ultimately catches the engineer by surprise as he's busy trying to choke our/kill Shaw.
Look at you guys, doing Lindelof's job on the fly and for free...
 
I'm going to watch Lawrence again this weekend to celebrate the Fass. Best part of the movie and best android in the whole Alien sequence.
 
Do you not find the concept of Noomi and David in space inherently cool or something? What's so wrong with that setup? The dynamic of their relationship alone would be enough to make an interesting movie. Then they're also searching space for the answers to the deepest questions you can imagine, with the means to find those answers. How is that not an exciting plot concept?

Because it's trite and boring. It doesn't make me go "cool!" it makes me groan and want to shoot myself in the head.



Where do I go to learn how to be a hitman? Because Lindelof has a death sentence now for trying to associate pulpy scifi with my favorite genre.
 
All I can say is that it's now quite clear Ridley Scott has lost the plot, so it makes perfect sense why he chose to work with someone who couldn't write one.

I really fear for Blade Runner :(
 
They should of have had Weyland be in his 50s (and leading the whole mission of course). Would have made for an more interesting movie

Possibly, or maybe even eliminated him entirely. I like the idea of Weyland just being a giant, faceless corporation like most of the ones we know of today. Though that wouldn't help with their need to explain why a costly expedition such as this would exist. The funny thing is, I think my biggest beef with Weyland in the film is that I thought the makeup job looked pretty bad. Not enough old guys in Hollywood to cast anymore?
 
I think I was the only one who laughed during the surgery scene, but I only started when the claw came out and crane game'd the facehugger out of her.
 
∀ Narayan;38680323 said:
The more I think about this film, the more I become disappointed with it.

That's it in a nutshell.

And the latest interview with Ridley has pushed me over the edge. They created us, but then wanted to bomb us out of existence because we crucified Space Jesus?

That's worse than an episode of Ancient Aliens! Dragging the whole Alien franchise down as well in the poorly conceived, badly written mess. I really can't think of a more disappointing film, or a bigger wasted opportunity, in a LONG time.
 
That's it in a nutshell.

And the latest interview with Ridley has pushed me over the edge. They created us, but then wanted to bomb us out of existence because we crucified Space Jesus?

That's worse than an episode of Ancient Aliens! Dragging the whole Alien franchise down as well in the poorly conceived, badly written mess. I really can't think of a more disappointing film, or a bigger wasted opportunity, in a LONG time.

∀ Narayan;38680323 said:
The more I think about this film, the more I become disappointed with it.

I hear you man, I hear you :(
 
I love how people wax poetic about Alien but then shit all over Prometheus. It's the same movie! Oh no the characters in Prometheus do dumb things.. Well "Jonesy Jonesy Jonesy" anyone?

Or the fact that NOW people realize that Lindelof isn't a good writer even though that was evident on Lost for years.

I don't care either way though because the movie was fucking gorgeous and had a couple really intense scenes.
 
That's it in a nutshell.

And the latest interview with Ridley has pushed me over the edge. They created us, but then wanted to bomb us out of existence because we crucified Space Jesus?

That's worse than an episode of Ancient Aliens! Dragging the whole Alien franchise down as well in the poorly conceived, badly written mess. I really can't think of a more disappointing film, or a bigger wasted opportunity, in a LONG time.

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Without having read anything he or Ridley had said, I got exactly what they were going for and posted almost exactly that in this very thread. Haters be damned.

So glad I don't listen to people here or anywhere else on the Internet before going to see movies, I'd never see anything.

I agree, but I also think listening to what people have to say can temper expectations. I didn't read this thread or the official one before I watched it and I loved it, but there's still no denying that many of the complaints people have are valid and I suspect those issues/complaints will become even more apparent on repeated viewings.

Listening to what people say wholesale is always wrong and I genuinely hope people don't do it, but I don't believe in completely writing off what people say either.

Reading all the impressions for MiB3 for example, helped to adjust my expectation of the movie, which resulted in me enjoying it more than I might have done if I hadn't read those impressions beforehand.

Anyway, back to the talking about the movie.
 
Because it's trite and boring. It doesn't make me go "cool!" it makes me groan and want to shoot myself in the head.

HOW is it trite and boring? I at least told you why I thought it had potential, character dynamics, interesting unexplored universe etc. Explain to me how this premise is boring and trite.

That's it in a nutshell.

And the latest interview with Ridley has pushed me over the edge. They created us, but then wanted to bomb us out of existence because we crucified Space Jesus?

That's worse than an episode of Ancient Aliens! Dragging the whole Alien franchise down as well in the poorly conceived, badly written mess. I really can't think of a more disappointing film, or a bigger wasted opportunity, in a LONG time.

Come on man, read the interview. He says he considered that possibility, but didn't go with it because that was 'to hard on the nose'.
 
That's it in a nutshell.

And the latest interview with Ridley has pushed me over the edge. They created us, but then wanted to bomb us out of existence because we crucified Space Jesus?

That's worse than an episode of Ancient Aliens! Dragging the whole Alien franchise down as well in the poorly conceived, badly written mess. I really can't think of a more disappointing film, or a bigger wasted opportunity, in a LONG time.

Who gives a fuck what Ridley says in an interview? He's said numerous times that Blade Runner spoilers -
Deckard is a replicant
. Does that affect what I think of the movie or change my opinion? Not at all.
 
Come on man, read the interview. He says he considered that possibility, but didn't go with it because that was 'to hard on the nose'.

That's what the premise was, and the hangovers from it are still scattered throughout the film. A ridiculous premise colliding with a prequel to Alien, and written with all the finesse of a butcher.

It's beautiful, but it's terrible. I've downgraded it from a mess now, just terrible.


Who gives a fuck what Ridley says in an interview? He's said numerous times that Blade Runner spoilers -
Deckard is a replicant
. Does that affect what I think of the movie or change my opinion? Not at all.

Maybe because Prometheus is so literal with its themes of God and creation that it leaves nothing left to interpretation. It couldn't have attempted it in a more hamfisted way. And the premise is all still there throughout the film, from crosses, to dates, and of course the wonderfully symbolic "2000 years ago".

The film isn't intelligent, it isn't subtle, it's an irrational jumble. It makes you think because it's all presented in such a confused and poorly written way. The thinking is just trying to piece those things together in a satisfying way. But when you finally get down to it, the core of the story is completely ridiculous. Its links to Alien just making an even bigger mess of what is already there.

Similar to BSG, it should never have stumbled into the origin of mankind. Trying to be too clever for your own good, even more so when you already have another story to tell as well.
 
That's what the premise was, and the hangovers from it are still scattered throughout the film. A ridiculous premise colliding with a prequel to Alien, and written with all the finesse of a butcher.

It's beautiful, but it's terrible. I've downgraded it from a mess now, just terrible.

I'm not gonna argue that the whole ancient aliens thing kinda cheapens the premise. But they weren't beating us over the head with it in a cliche manner so I didn't have any problems with it.

However, had that little bit not been there, then the aliens would have been just giant space monsters. Seeing them running around creating and uncreating stuff gives their entire race some character development that they wouldn't have otherwise had.
 
I'm not gonna argue that the whole ancient aliens thing kinda cheapens the premise. But they weren't beating us over the head with it in a cliche manner so I didn't have any problems with it.

However, had that little bit not been there, then the aliens would have been just giant space monsters. Seeing them running around creating and uncreating stuff gives their entire race some character development that they wouldn't have otherwise had.

w/r/t the space jockeys, someone wrote up something that says it better than I could:

SpaceMost" post="404424618 said:
How long do we have to keep spoiler-ing plot points?


Isn't it more in line with the Prometheus myth if that Engineer was either being punished for seeding life on Earth, or accidentally seeded life on Earth when he killed himself (like someone up-thread said)?

Neither jive with the cave paintings, though -- if it was an accident, there'd be no Engineers around to worship or show them the star map(and we know early humans had to be shown the map because it's explicitly stated). If the Engineer in the intro was being punished, I doubt the others would go back and hang out with his abominations, unless they were studying humans and making cruel jokes by pointing them to a military installation.

The only thing that jives with the cave paintings is if the Engineers deliberately created humans and then - for whatever reason - decided that humans ought to be nuked with xenomorphs.

But the time line doesn't match up at all. The cave painting was what, 30,000 years old? And the dead Engineer they found had only been that way for 2000 years. So they created humans millenia ago, chilled out with them, and then 28,000 years later decided to exterminate them.

And what happened to the Engineers in general? Why did they abandon the moon/planet? There were multiple temples in the valley - did they all catastrophically fail at once?

I feel like I'm supposed to be really enthralled by these questions, but I'm not. Unlike Alien, the Engineers are a super-technologically advanced race who presumably wanted to destroy humanity, but Scott doesn't give us any motivation for why they would do that. Worse, the films pacing is so slapdash that none of the characters ever takes the time to be properly mindfucked by what they're seeing (whether it's "holy shit we found God" or "holy shit Weyland is a stowaway"). The characters don't seem to care, so I don't really care.

Scott somehow managed to turn the fucking Space Jockeys into another generic evil alien species. The God-Creators of humanity are less interesting than the xenomorphs.
 
Someone's impregnated with an alien baby.

No one cares.

That same person just had an abortion.

No one cares.

That alien baby is locked in a room.

No one cares.

Weyland is alive and on the ship.

No one cares.
 
Someone's impregnated with an alien baby.

No one cares.

That same person just had an abortion.

No one cares.

That alien baby is locked in a room.

No one cares.

Weyland is alive and on the ship.

No one cares.

This is where there HAD to have been a lengthy scene cut as otherwise someone royally fucked up.
 
Is it possible that the reason the Engineers created humans was simply to act as hosts for xenomorphs? That humanity combined with black goo is the weapon? They kept the two elements on separate planets so that xenomorphs aren't accidentally unleashed.
 
This is where there HAD to have been a lengthy scene cut as otherwise someone royally fucked up.

I kept waiting for something to come up in regards to all of that, but nothing happened. As it stands, those are just events in the movie that have no bearing on the story save for the alien baby that grew humongously big in a short amount of time.
 
I believe Shaw thought the squid was dead - it was sprayed with, I dunno, death spray and fell still. But yeah:

"Um, Elizabeth, is there a particular reason you're covered in bloody bandages? Nah, you know what - it's cool."
 
I kept waiting for something to come up in regards to all of that, but nothing happened. As it stands, those are just events in the movie that have no bearing on the story save for the alien baby that grew humongously big in a short amount of time.

That's pretty much my problem overall with it. It's good if you want to see Cool Shit Happen (tm) but if you want something that makes you think all these threads could be removed wholesale and it wouldn't really change much of anything, and the elements it tries to introduce are so hamfisted and poorly implemented that it ends up being more frustrating the more you think about it.
 
Prometheus: what was that about? Ten key questions :: guardian.co.uk

raises some so the issues discussed here that i also have problems digest.

1. What's going on in the prologue? That's an alien creating life on earth, right?

Um… probably? That certainly seems to be the case: we see an engineer, apparently left alone on a barren earth as his fellows ship out, who consciously sacrifices himself by drinking black goo that causes his body to crumble into little bits of DNA that spread throughout the world. But as they look much like the engineers our heroes encounter, wouldn't that mean their biology and technology hasn't changed in billions of years? Perhaps this can be filed under 'things Ridley Scott wants us to wonder about' – he has talked about ideas for a sequel engaging with the engineers' motivations more directly.


2. How did the constellation get onto all those ancient cave paintings and artefacts? And why would the engineers provide a map anyway?

They're too recent for the engineers to have left them when they created life – did they somehow appear to humans in visions? Were they based on engineer artefacts that haven't survived? Have the engineers been popping back every so often? And given their later hostility, why would the engineers want to leave directions anyway? Was it a test? Or an alarm designed to notify them of mankind's development of space travel?


3. Why would a crew of off-the-street technicians and world-renowned scientists take a years-long trip into deep space without knowing what they were getting themselves into?

File under 'movie characters do dumb shit'. Prometheus is full of moments in which characters' motivations are unclear or absurd and it's probably not worth dwelling on them beyond recognising that, well, the script is very patchy. See also: Why wouldn't the crew check out the alien landscape before exploring unarmed? Why would they remove their helmets in an alien atmosphere? Why would they plunge their fingers in alien goo or try to pet an alien snake monster? Why wouldn't you run sideways when a wheel-shaped spaceship is rolling towards on you? We could go on.


4. Why does the black goo affect different people in different ways?

Contact with the alien goo seems to have a range of effects: the engineer at the beginning more or less crumbles to dust; it seems to cause worms to mutate into snakelike creatures; one crew member becomes a marauding zombie-like monster while another apparently absorbs the substance into his DNA, resulting in Elizabeth being impregnated with what seems to be a rudimentary facehugger, which somehow grows to enormous size and then impregnates an engineer with what turns out to be a rudimentary Alien… It's all awfully muddled. The most charitable conclusion is that this is seriously protean stuff capable of speedy adaptation to suit whatever environment and host it comes across.


5. Why cast 44-year-old Guy Pearce as Peter Weyland, a man at least twice his age?

It seems bonkers to cast a young man as an old man – it's not as if Ridley Scott was short of options for the older gentleman and Pearce spends the whole movie clad in prosthetic wrinkles. Well, the movie, yes – but not Prometheus's viral campaign, which saw Pearce giving a TED talk as the younger Peter Weyland. That seems a relatively small reason to influence the casting of the film itself, but perhaps Scott is keeping his options open for flashback sequences in a possible sequel?

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That's pretty much my problem overall with it. It's good if you want to see Cool Shit Happen (tm) but if you want something that makes you think all these threads could be removed wholesale and it wouldn't really change much of anything, and the elements it tries to introduce are so hamfisted and poorly implemented that it ends up being more frustrating the more you think about it.

The whole Weyland plot line was a waste. Absolutely nothing came of it. I would rather them cutting his character out completely and focused more on the crew.
 
Wow

I left Prometheus feeling the exact same way I felt after seeing Blade Runner for the first time. That is to say, I'm not exactly sure about everything I saw..but there were enough subtleties and complexities on display to leave me both leveled and excited to inspect the film under a microscope. This is a film that I think will grow on people over time, just like Blade Runner did. Of course, the catch is that I can't really properly evaluate it after only one viewing; maybe it's ultimately shallow.

On the film itself, here are my tentative thoughts on the film itself:

1) Ridley Scott nailed the aesthetic. It felt like an authentic return to the Alien universe. The story itself felt more philosophically akin to Blade Runner. Interesting move.

2) IIRC, this is the first time since the original that the filmmakers approached the material with the intention of expanding upon the mythology. Thankfully, looking back to the Space Jockey scene in Alien, I find myself very satisfied with everything they did to build up the universe.

3) As someone who greatly preferred Alien (and Blade Runner) to Aliens, I enjoyed Prometheus more than the other sequels in the franchise. I'm actually not a huge fan of Aliens, though..so perhaps that isn't surprising.

4) The true final shot of the movie was beautiful. The
Xenomorph
scene, while an intriguing easter egg, would have probably worked better as an after-credit sequence.

5) Did I mention that I think this film will grow on people? The friends I saw this film with didn't seem quite sure what to think. The theater was almost absolutely silent when the lights came up, but it was a pensive silence. It feels like Blade Runner all over again. Then again, maybe I'm nuts and the film's shit.

6) While I had problems with the execution of the Weyland subplot, they nailed its ending with that final exchange: "there's nothing", "I know".

7) What a wonderful set-up for a sequel!
 
Someone's impregnated with an alien baby.

No one cares.

That same person just had an abortion.

No one cares.

That alien baby is locked in a room.

No one cares.

Weyland is alive and on the ship.

No one cares.

How many people actually knew she was pregnant apart from David? It wouldn't surprise me if he spun some tale about her being unstable or infected so they needed to put her in stasis until they got home and got her 'proper' medical treatment.

The complaints about Weyland are valid, but they might not care after all they've witnessed with Fifield in the hanger bay and what happened to that other guy whose name I forget.
 
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