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[TUROK]

There's no point that a facehugger is grown in a stomach in any of the other Alien movies. This isn't the natural process that we've sen previously. It's not unreasonable to think that the different evolution of the facehugger here would yield a different result (i.e. a larger facehugger). I don't think this is an issue, at all.

That still doesn't make sense. Just because the gestation was different doesn't mean that the PURPOSE of the creature changes.

The spermhugger is obviously humongous so it can conveniently overpower the Engineer and save Shaw.

 

[Dresden]

I have zero problem when others disliking films I like. Heck, go ahead and hate them for all I care.

Are you sure about this?

What irks me is this bizarre, elitist, groupthink push to define the general consensus of something because it doesn't meet their expectations.

Honestly I think there is this group of sci-fi fans out there currently who can't sleep at night with the idea that someday Prometheus might be generally regarded as a solid scifi film and worthy entry into the Alien mythos and enjoyed by most Alien fans.

It sure doesn't sound like it.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

So many things happen with seemingly no repercussion. Shouldn't the characters sit down and... I dunno... talk about this really fucked up shit they are witnessing? Everyone seems to treat it all as normal everyday stuff./

"Just another bug hunt"

It's a flawed film, it's enjoyable but it has it's problems. I don't think a directors cut will be that much of a difference. The problem is the script, it is underdeveloped just like the characters.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

Why did the urns in the ship not react the same way as the urns in the tomb?

Why are there empty suits in the entrance to the pilot chamber when the suits are placed onto a spacejockey while he's sitting in the pilot chair? -EDIT I think that these are spares that they disassemble and put onto the pilot seat for suiting up

Why does the spacejockey suit up in the pilot chair, but take off the suit when he goes to kill Shaw?

 

[The Elite]

No-one seems that bothered that Holloway was burnt alive.
No-one seems to care that Shaw went nuts and attacked two crew members.
No-one seems to notice that Shaw ran off and performed her own C-Section.
No-one seems to question that Wayland is alive and has on-board with them all along.
No-one seems to care that a living Engineer has been found and the plan is to wake him up.
No-one seems to question why Beardy has turned into a superman zombie.

:/

Shaw seems pretty upset in regards to Holloway. There's actually a bit of time that seems to pass between Holloway being burnt and Shaw waking up again. We're never really given a reaction scene from the rest of the crew. The reaction should have been more about what happened to him than whether or not he was burnt alive. They obviously don't want the same thing happening to them.

No one is around to care about Shaw attacking two crew members. They are all too busy with Weyland. Did we even find out what happened to those crew members? I lost track of them.

The third point really bugged me. Feels like there is something missing. Again, they seem way to caught up in Weyland.

Again, it seems like sometime had passed on the ship. Like all the reactions would have happened off screen so we don't get to see the crew's reaction to Weyland waking up. The movie has a lot of missing moments that would really patch things up. We can infer what happened but the scenes really need to be there.

I don't see an issue with the the living Engineer. I thought people acted reasonably freaked out when they saw him waking up. There was an unsettling awe about the entire scene and you could tell everyone was scared shitless but couldn't turn away and run.

I thought the reactions to beardy were just fine and it was pretty obvious that he'd been fucked up by the same thing that was messing up Holloway. It was less about "what happened" and more about what they were going to do.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!

Exactly. If Hudson were in a modern sci-fi movie, people would HATE him and think he ruined the movie Jar Jar Binks style. But alas, he's a fairly prominent character in what many here would consider a great film.

 

[The Elite]

Why did the urns in the ship not react the same way as the urns in the tomb?

Why are there empty suits in the entrance to the pilot chamber when the suits are placed onto a spacejockey while he's sitting in the pilot chair?

Why does the spacejockey suit up in the pilot chair, but take off the suit when he goes to kill Shaw?

First point is a good question.

They could have been ceremonial. Just like the big head. Why do the Engineers have a big head on display?

Not sure about the third point but I don't think it really matters at all, does it? Seems very nit-picky.

 

[Count Dookkake]

This is all in your head.

Perhaps to the degree that he believes it is occurring, but it does happen often, particularly with long-anticipated prequels. It is fair to criticize execution, but that's about it, imo. Usually, the proposed "solutions" are far too nerdy and focused on tech and plot nonsense, which is not really the focus of the artist.

 

[Zeliard]

The one that stuck out the most from that list was probably Shaw self-operating into a bloody and visibly injured mess, and nobody, not even David, reacting. You'd think David at the least would have had a thing or two to say.

Shaw just enters Weyland's room and everyone is acting like they're in some David Lynch film, with disturbing levels of apathy to the strangeness around them.

I have to imagine some scenes were cut out.

 

[140.85]

Exactly. If Hudson were in a modern sci-fi movie, people would HATE him and think he ruined the movie Jar Jar Binks style. But alas, he's a fairly prominent character in what many here would consider a great film.

Time heals all hyperbolic reactions.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

The one that stuck out the most from that list was probably Shaw self-operating into a bloody and visibly injured mess, and nobody, not even David, reacting. You'd think David at the least would have had a thing or two to say.

Shaw just enters Weyland's room and everyone is acting like they're in some David Lynch film, with disturbing levels of apathy to the strangeness around them.

I have to imagine some scenes were cut out.

Doesn't David say "I didn't think you had it in you"

 

[The Elite]

The one that stuck out the most from that list was probably Shaw self-operating into a bloody and visibly injured mess, and nobody, not even David, reacting. You'd think David at the least would have had a thing or two to say.

Shaw just enters Weyland's room and everyone is acting like they're in some David Lynch film, with disturbing levels of apathy to the strangeness around them.

I have to imagine some scenes were cut out.

I got the impression that some of the other 17 crew members on board must have known about Weyland.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Doesn't David say "I didn't think you had it in you"

Yes, probably the best joke in the movie, but not as funny as how many people missed it.

 

[TUROK]

Exactly. If Hudson were in a modern sci-fi movie, people would HATE him and think he ruined the movie Jar Jar Binks style. But alas, he's a fairly prominent character in what many here would consider a great film.

Yeah, probably, but corny dialogue is such a far cry from stupid, illogical characters that it's ridiculous that you would even try to parallel them.

 

[botty]

You're assuming this leads directly into Alien or that it's connected. It's not necessarily. This movie has been really successful financially so I'd expect to see a sequel.

That's not the point I am trying to make. It's pretty evident that certain Alien bits were shoehorned into this movie, but those bits also take away from the important parts of the story. We're given this plot of finding where "we" came from, and as we continue on we discover that some questions are best left unanswered. However, due to human nature we find it impossible to resist the urges of curiosity. We see this by the end of the movie when Shaw still continues searching for answers, despite having witnessed the devastating results of that investigation.

Now add in the alien bits, and you've got plot holes all galore.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

First point is a good question.

They could have been ceremonial. Just like the big head. Why do the Engineers have a big head on display?

Not sure about the third point but I don't think it really matters at all, does it? Seems very nit-picky.

Well, the general consensus is that the writers/director just filled this film with cool and ominous stuff without critically thinking about how it ties into the story/mythos or a scientific basis.

I don't necessarily agree 100% with that sentiment, so I'm asking the nit-picky questions to get simple answers I may have missed.

Like the green goo - it's probably a gel used by the spacejocks to interact with their touchpad doors/walls/glyphs. It causes machinery to activate upon touch - pretty cool tech

 

[commedieu]

I have zero problem when others disliking films I like. Heck, go ahead and hate them for all I care.

What irks me is this bizarre, elitist, groupthink push to define the general consensus of something because it doesn't meet their expectations.

Honestly I think there is this group of sci-fi fans out there currently who can't sleep at night with the possibility that someday Prometheus might be generally regarded as a solid scifi film and worthy entry into the Alien mythos and enjoyed by most Alien fans.

There is absolutely none of anything you've spoke of in this thread. We are discussing the film, as well as its severe plotholes, lore, and future titles. Every 10 pages we get someone like you, condemning everyone discussing the films deplorable writing, and flat characters as being elitist and trying to push an agenda. My personal favorite is someone said everyone that doesn't like the movie, wouldn't like something like Mullhuland Drive. As if the two could be compared. The hate for the haters, is all over the place.

You know the writing was terrible, for a Ridley Scott film. That is the expectation, that the film will be good. There is nothing wrong with that expectation, its not some alien concept. Its a bare minimum expectation of having characters that make sense in the movie. None of them did. Examples are on every page, this one for example;

No-one seems that bothered that Holloway was burnt alive.
No-one seems to care that Shaw went nuts and attacked two crew members.
No-one seems to notice that Shaw ran off and performed her own C-Section.
No-one seems to question that Wayland is alive and has on-board with them all along.
No-one seems to care that a living Engineer has been found and the plan is to wake him up.
No-one seems to question why Beardy has turned into a superman zombie.
. :/

All the while, most say the film was enjoyable. Could have been better, but it was good none the less. Stop with the elitist bullshit please.

Yeah, probably, but corny dialogue is such a far cry from stupid, illogical characters that it's ridiculous that you would even try to parallel them.

Thank you for knowing the difference. Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien 4, AVP, Requiem, whatever else had characters with more depth that Prometheus, why are people still trying to argue this..?

 

[symphonask]

I'm probably not remembering right, but isn't David the only one that visits the ship's cargo hold?

 

[The Elite]

I'm probably not remembering right, but isn't David the only one that visits the ship's cargo hold?

I think so. We know that Vickers knows about Weyland as well. Whether or not anyone else knew is up to interpretation. The impression I get from both David and Vickers is that they were the only ones who were supposed to know yet the guys who are helping him into his suit seem like they were expecting this.

 

[TUROK]

I'm probably not remembering right, but isn't David the only one that visits the ship's cargo hold?

Not quite. They all revisit it when making their way towards the Engineer.

Wait, which ship are you talking about?

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

I'm probably not remembering right, but isn't David the only one that visits the ship's cargo hold?

David is the first to go through but he comes back with Weyland and company.

I like that Weyland was asking questions about the ship, and David happily obliged like a tour guide.

Edit: beaten

 

[The Elite]

Not quite. They all revisit it when making their way towards the Engineer.

Wait, which ship are you talking about?

I assumed he was talking about visit Weyland.

Edit: Ahh, this must be about the Cargo hold on the Engineer ship.

 

[symphonask]

Sorry, talking about the Juggernaut ship. I thought maybe that's why the urns didn't react in the cargo hold, because David's a robot.

 

[140.85]

There is absolutely none of anything you've spoke of in this thread. We are discussing the film, as well as its severe plotholes, lore, and future titles. Every 10 pages we get someone like you, condemning everyone discussing the films deplorable writing, and flat characters as being elitist and trying to push an agenda. My personal favorite is someone said everyone that doesn't like the movie, wouldn't like something like Mullhuland Drive. As if the two could be compared. The hate for the haters, is all over the place.

You know the writing was terrible, for a Ridley Scott film. That is the expectation, that the film will be good. There is nothing wrong with that expectation, its not some alien concept. Its a bare minimum expectation of having characters that make sense in the movie. None of them did. Examples are on every page, this one for example;

I wasn't talking specifically about this thread. More like the entire eDiscussion. As for the rest of your post, it's impossible for me to take seriously. None of the characters make sense? Come now, really?

 

[Zeliard]

Doesn't David say "I didn't think you had it in you"

He does, but it seemed fairly casual considering how adamant he was earlier that the procedure take its natural course. He basically shrugs and moves on.

Yes, probably the best joke in the movie, but not as funny as how many people missed it.

I didn't miss it. I didn't really consider it a proper reaction in light of what preceded it. Seemed entirely too pat given the event's significance.

 

[commedieu]

I wasn't talking specifically about this thread. More like the entire eDiscussion. As for the rest of your post, it's impossible for me to take seriously. None of the characters make sense? Come now, really?

Have a good day then , While the rest of the thread continues to discuss how shallow the characters were.

He does, but it seemed fairly casual considering how adamant he was earlier that the procedure take its natural course. He basically shrugs and moves on.



I didn't miss it. I didn't really consider it a proper reaction in light of what preceded it. Seemed entirely too pat given the event's significance.

Thats how I felt. He was ribbing her after a violent c-cection... I think most people were still dumbfounded by how well she took the whole thing, and missed it.

 

[TUROK]

Sorry, talking about the Juggernaut ship. I thought maybe that's why the urns didn't react in the cargo hold, because David's a robot.

The urns reacted in the first place because the atmosphere in the room changed. It was sealed (airtight, presumably) for about 2000 years, so the change made the urns sweat and made the murals peel.

 

[Spectral Glider]

Exactly. If Hudson were in a modern sci-fi movie, people would HATE him and think he ruined the movie Jar Jar Binks style. But alas, he's a fairly prominent character in what many here would consider a great film.

He's exactly what he's supposed to be, a whiny jarhead on a bug hunt. He's not a "scientist" that yells, "I love rocks!" and then rage quits the mission. And at least Hudson goes down fighting like a man.

 

[Truant]

So in Aliens, are other alien creatures kinda normal? I mean, they call it a "bug hunt".

 

[commedieu]

So in Aliens, are other alien creatures kinda normal? I mean, they call it a "bug hunt".

Think so. Think about that sweet Auturian...? Poontang.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Arcturian.

As in Arcturus.

 

[JB1981]

I went to see Prometheus last night. As a big Alien/Scott fan it was something I was very much looking forward to. It was good, I can't fault the direction and Fassbender was great.... but..... it needs a director's cut. And a sequel. Too many plot holes, underdeveloped characters and unanswered questions for me.

Everything from Holloway's toasty scene felt rushed;

No-one seems that bothered that Holloway was burnt alive.

They seemed pretty bothered by it. Halloway willingly sacrificed himself and Shaw was crying and screaming. The crew never sat down and discussed what happened to him later and I agree that they should have but it's not like Halloway was killed and no one batted an eye.

No-one seems to care that Shaw went nuts and attacked two crew members.
Shaw attacked two crew members in isolation while the rest of the crew was contending with zombie Fiefeld outside and a woken Weyland inside. I'm not sure everyone even knew where Shaw was. It seemed David kept it kind of secret (since he did poison her boyfriend).

No-one seems to notice that Shaw ran off and performed her own C-Section.
See point above.

No-one seems to question that Wayland is alive and has on-board with them all along.
Again Shaw certainly questions why he is alive.

No-one seems to care that a living Engineer has been found and the plan is to wake him up.
What do you mean by this? Who doesn't care, the crew?

No-one seems to question why Beardy has turned into a superman zombie.
Janek seems pretty freaked out by the whole ordeal. He even warns Shaw that he is willing to do anything it takes to make sure none of the goo gets off the planet (i think).

So many things happen with seemingly no repercussion. Shouldn't the characters sit down and... I dunno... talk about this really fucked up shit they are witnessing? Everyone seems to treat it all as normal everyday stuff.

I'm sure there's a big chunk of footage on the cutting room floor that is mostly dialogue, or backstory. But I guess that doesn't get people paying from 3D glasses. :/

My attempt at answers in bold (i don't know how to quote multiple posts)

I would have liked more interaction between the crew. The crew of the Nostromo sit down and talk about what they're dealing with all the time. In fact, the first hour is basically comprised of scenes just like this. I agree this is sorely missing in Prometheus.

 

[symphonask]

The urns reacted in the first place because the atmosphere in the room changed. It was sealed (airtight, presumably) for about 2000 years, so the change made the urns sweat and made the murals peel.

Ah, got it. Thanks.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

He's exactly what he's supposed to be, a whiny jarhead on a bug hunt. He's not a "scientist" that yells, "I love rocks!" and then rage quits the mission. And at least Hudson goes down fighting like a man.

Yes and Jar Jar Binks is exactly what he's supposed to be too but that doesn't mean he should be in the movie or that he was written well.

edit:
And I'm not bashing the character, I love him. I've been quoting him since I saw the movie when I was a kid.
Just saying that... The ALIEN franchise has always had problems or things that could be looked over if you don't bore down on it with a critical eye.

 

[The Elite]

So in Aliens, are other alien creatures kinda normal? I mean, they call it a "bug hunt".

I don't think they've encountered anything quite like the Xenomorph before but the "bug hunt" line suggests they've had to deal with alien life in some form before.

 

[140.85]

My attempt at answers in bold (i don't know how to quote multiple posts)

I would have liked more interaction between the crew. The crew of the Nostromo sit down and talk about what they're dealing with all the time. In fact, the first hour is basically comprised of scenes just like this. I agree this is sorely missing in Prometheus.

I'm willing to bet they exist, but were cut for time.

 

[commedieu]

My attempt at answers in bold (i don't know how to quote multiple posts)

I would have liked more interaction between the crew. The crew of the Nostromo sit down and talk about what they're dealing with all the time. In fact, the first hour is basically comprised of scenes just like this. I agree this is sorely missing in Prometheus.

I don't think anyone means nothing was literally addressed. It was addressed in the Prometheus fashion of, as fast as possible to get to the next set piece. You hit the nail on the head with the interaction between crew being lacking, and thats what I read whenever I see someone say "no one cared." They aren't acting realistically as characters in a movie. The bare minimum was done just to get to the next scene. You had no relation with any of the characters because there were no real emotions exhibited by any of them.

Yes and Jar Jar Binks is exactly what he's supposed to be too but that doesn't mean he should be in the movie or that he was written well.

edit:
And I'm not bashing the character, I love him. I've been quoting him since I saw the movie when I was a kid.
Just saying that... The ALIEN franchise has always had problems or things that could be looked over if you don't bore down on it with a critical eye.

You saw hudson develop from a cocky prick, to someone that snapped because they were in over there head. I'm sorry but no character in Prometheus had a character arc. None of them. Prometheus had problems, on top of problems, and even more problems. Which bring the film down, as a story.

Theres no justification in "buh buh Alien had a handful of issues too!" as directly comparing Prometheus to alien leaves Prometheus embarrassed by the depth of newt.

 

[JB1981]

So in Aliens, are other alien creatures kinda normal? I mean, they call it a "bug hunt".

I am not sure. The woman at the corporate briefing says to Ripley: "Yes and found something never discovered in over 300 surveyed worlds. A creature that gestates inside a living human host. These are your words. And has concentrated acid for blood."

Maybe they found other alien species that weren't as deadly as the Alien but the movie doesn't really give you any way of knowing for sure.

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

My attempt at answers in bold (i don't know how to quote multiple posts)

I would have liked more interaction between the crew. The crew of the Nostromo sit down and talk about what they're dealing with all the time. In fact, the first hour is basically comprised of scenes just like this. I agree this is sorely missing in Prometheus.

That's the issue, it was those sort of scenes that were missing. After the chest burster scene in Alien there is genuine panic, confusion and then discussion about what is going on and what they are going to do about it. In Prometheus its just sort of glanced over and they all move on to the next big set piece.

I'm sure there is a big chunk of dialogue footage on a cutting room floor somewhere. It won't answer all the questions (ie. Black Magic Goo. Warning: Effects are completely random), but it'll go some way to filling in the gaps and giving the characters just a bit more depth.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

You saw hudson develop from a cocky prick, to someone that snapped because they were in over there head. I'm sorry but no character in Prometheus had a character arc. None of them. Prometheus had problems, on top of problems, and even more problems. Which bring the film down, as a story.

Wasn't really a development, it was more of an on/off switch. One minute he was cocky then he was freaked out, then he died.
If you call that development then you're giving that character too much credit.

 

[Endo Punk]

Half in the Bag review was very good ad I agree for the most part.

You know say what you want but Prometheus gets a lot of stuff right especially set design, atmosphere and tone, plus it has the pleasure of including the best or at least my favourite Fassbender performance.

 

[TUROK]

Wasn't really a development, it was more of an on/off switch. One minute he was cocky then he was freaked out, then he died.
If you call that development then you're giving that character too much credit.

Wat. Development doesn't have to be gradual. What, do you fault it when characters go from happy to mourning in an instant when a loved one dies?

 

[JB1981]

Wat. Development doesn't have to be gradual. What, do you fault it when characters go from happy to mourning in an instant when a loved one dies?

thats not a character arc ....

 

[commedieu]

Wasn't really a development, it was more of an on/off switch. One minute he was cocky then he was freaked out, then he died.

Switch(it wasn't.) But lets say it was. It was developed more so than any character in prometheus. All the marines were tough and absolutely badass, you saw camaraderie unfold in front of you. until they came upon the unexpected, where we saw some man up(woman up) and others react how you'd expect people to react. You actually remember him as a character, which I can't about anyone in Prometheus outside of David, who was great.. but was an emotionless android.

thats not a character arc ....

No character had an arc in Prometheus.

A ridley scott film..

 

[Ashhong]

Er... that whole lifeboat was Weyland's, not hers (well, I suppose she inherits it).

What? That pod was in Vicker's room.

 

[TUROK]

thats not a character arc ....

When did I say it was? A character mourning for a loved one is a facet of character development. Obviously it's not an entire character arc.

The point is that character development doesn't have to be gradual. It's all circumstantial.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

Wat. Development doesn't have to be gradual. What, do you fault it when characters go from happy to mourning in an instant when a loved one dies?

If that's their entire "character arc" then..... yes?

Switch(it wasn't.) But lets say it was. It was developed more so than any character in prometheus. All the marines were tough and absolutely badass, you saw camaraderie unfold in front of you. until they came upon the unexpected, where we saw some man up(woman up) and others react how you'd expect people to react. You actually remember him as a character, which I can't about anyone in Prometheus outside of David, who was great.. but was an emotionless android.

Look, I don't want to troll you and keep bringing up Jar Jar Binks, but he was pretty memorable right? He wen't from a shameful outcast of his people to a hero on the battlefield! Quite a character arc.
Anyways I'll leave it at that.
I've made my point.

 

[symphonask]

This has probably been mentioned dozens of times by now, but the black goo in the beginning when the Engineer is seeding a planet is probably different from the black goo they find in the pyramid, which is a biological weapon - they say as much in the artbook. I don't know but the goo seems pretty consistent to me, in that it mutates and changes the genetic structure of creatures that come into contact with it. Holloway was having a much slower reaction than Fifield because Fifield fell face first into a pool of the stuff, while Holloway only had a drop of it.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

What? That pod was in Vicker's room.

There were many things alluding to Weyland being on board, one of them was the life boat was originally meant for him, another was Vickers asking if any one has died on the trip. She was probably asking specifically did her father make it.

 

[lefantome]

Fortunately it was only the first installment of a series and it doesn't require 20+ hourse to see the end.
The level of crap in the script is comparable of mass effect 3.

I WANT TO see the differeces with the original script.


Mission to Mars, Sphere and Lost in Space, just to compare 3 crappy movies have better scripts.