pancakesandsex
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This update literally does nothing but remove other OS functionality as far as the consumer can tell.
I just installed it.
I just installed it.
Leondexter said:I completely understand what you're saying. I comprehend. It's you who can't seem to understand what I'm saying. Let me just put this plainly, since you can't seem to grasp this hypothetically or with analogies: I have the right to own my purchases, no matter what I may choose to do with them, and no matter what others may choose to do with them. The manufacturer does NOT have the right to dictate what I do with my purchase.
If you disagree with that, all I can say is you're wrong. Oh, and the law (so far) disagrees with you as well.
Hawkian said:Okay. Can someone explain to me why the fuck an update that seemingly only removes a feature from a version of a system that I do not own has been stuck downloading at 7% for 15 minutes and counting?
What does this DO for me?
pancakesandsex said:This update literally does nothing but remove other OS functionality as far as the consumer can tell.
I just installed it.
Maybe it will install Other OS support by mistake!Hawkian said:That's what I thought, so... I don't have it. This feature is not on my system. Am I downloading a file that's going to go, "oops, wrong hardware" and delete itself?
Hawkian said:That's what I thought, so... I don't have it. This feature is not on my system. Am I downloading a file that's going to go, "oops, wrong hardware" and delete itself?
CloakedPuppet said:It's borderline unacceptable how slow these updates are to download and install.
CloakedPuppet said:It's borderline unacceptable how slow these updates are to download and install.
TTP said:Talk for yourself.
Whole process took 4 minutes to me like it always did with every update.
CloakedPuppet said:http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2009/06/chocolate_chip_cookie.jpg[IMG]
Slow PSN updates are par for the course for many if not most people. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've read and heard complaints from numerous sources.
So, you see - you're most likely in the minority here. Talk for yourself.[/QUOTE]
The thing is you expressed yourself like it's a general problem with every firmware update. Which is not the case. I'm not questioning the fact that same people have issues downloading it.
TTP said:The thing is you expressed yourself like it's a general problem with every firmware update. Which is not the case. I'm not questioning the fact that same people have issues downloading it.
TTP said:The thing is you expressed yourself like it's a general problem with every firmware update. Which is not the case. I'm not questioning the fact that same people have issues downloading it.
Have you tried downloading the update on your PC and installing by USB drive? Even though I don't have a problem with slow speeds downloading by PC always seems faster.CloakedPuppet said:...but it has been a problem with various past firmware updates - for many people. That's what I was expressing.
CloakedPuppet said:...but it has been a problem with various past firmware updates - for many people. That's what I was expressing.
Linux as an OS? Or Linux in a PS3?Akainu said:So what was the purpose of linux anyway?
.Micromegas said:Fast for me <4mins. Problem must be on your end. You're the only one complaining.
Hawkian said:Okay. Can someone explain to me why the fuck an update that seemingly only removes a feature from a version of a system that I do not own has been stuck downloading at 7% for 15 minutes and counting?
What does this DO for me?
kpop100 said:Have you tried downloading the update on your PC and installing by USB drive? Even though I don't have a problem with slow speeds downloading by PC always seems faster.
The Frankman said:My DL was like 2 minutes. Where do you live that it takes some of you guys so long? What are your providers/setup?
seattle6418 said:Stupid update gets stuck on 33%.
Then i thought, "well, let's download from the website because it's always faster".
IT'S NOT THERE!
Stupid idiots shoving a pointless update down our asses and it doesn't even work.
I'm pissed off. Finally got an off day to play online and i can't update this shit.
Any hidden link for 3.21 on playstation.com?
TTP said:
harriet the spy said:Until the law finds sony or apple guilty (for shutting off jailbroken iphones from the store, though it still seems to work for me?), the law won't agree with you either. They are not telling you how to use your hardware, they are just shutting you down from a service you need to agree to shitty EULA terms to access.
Similarly: if i don't update from a very old itunes version because i want to be able to decrypt my files, I can't access the store anymore.
dogmaan said:Everytime I hear this i shake my head
The PS2 GPU has lots of bandwidth roughly 48 Gbits, thats 24 Gbit each way or :
19 Gbit frame buffer + 5 gbit texture buffer -> write
19 Gbit frame buffer + 5 gbit texture buffer <- read
Although i can't remember if the above is a 50/50 split read/write, it may of been 60/40
I think it also has about 1GB/s of bandwidth to access the main RDRAM.
The RSX has:
22.4 GB/s read and write bandwidth to GDDR (or 20.8)
and
20 GB/s read to the Cell and XDR memory
15 GB/s write to the Cell and XDR memory
Conveniently that adds up to about 47-48 Gbits in 2 discrete pools, that give you roughly the same bandwith as the PS2
iapetus said:A couple of updates:
A number of people have heard back from Trading Standards in the UK that this does appear to be in breach of UK law.
Amazon have responded to my request for more information about how they intend to handle this to say they're handing it over to the relevant department (ie. the lawyers) and I should have a response by the 4th April.
Firewire said:Sorry late to the thread, but what exactly does Amazon have to do with a Sony firmware update?
Possible.beast786 said:... What is a reason for them to not open the RSX?
The only reason I can think of would be, that opening up RSX can cause more problem in their eyes toward piracy. Hence in their eyes whateve open RSX would gain will be far worse by losing to piracy.
For obvious reasons.Fafalada said:The few 100 people that own(ed) a PS2 Linux kit produced a more active community then entire Linux using PS3 userbase to date.
Not all, right.Fafalada said:If there are "many" people concerned, it's not because they cared about using Linux.
A Finnish website has been in touch with local authorities aswell. They didn't get an answer straight away as the case seemed a bit more complicated than normal, but the case was forwarded to people with more expertise and they will give their opinion on the matter next week. Will be interesting to see how this developsiapetus said:A couple of updates:
A number of people have heard back from Trading Standards in the UK that this does appear to be in breach of UK law.
Amazon have responded to my request for more information about how they intend to handle this to say they're handing it over to the relevant department (ie. the lawyers) and I should have a response by the 4th April.
iapetus said:Under EU law (and from there into member state law) when a product ceases to be fit for the purposes it was advertised for as in this case, the consumer's rights are against the retailer that they purchased from. The retailer has to either make repairs or replacement, or some appropriate compensation.
If the problem was caused by someone further up the supply chain - right back to Sony in this case - then the retailer has to pursue their claim against them. So in this case Amazon would be responsible for refunding all the people Sony has screwed over, and their lawyers would present Sony with the total bill.
I bought my PS3 from Amazon, so they're the people I have to talk to.
rapso -- ps2dev.org said:(I posted this already in sony's blog, but it got censored *hehe*)ragnarok2040 said:If you live in the US, contact your state's AG to investigate into the matter as well as your representative. Yet another Japanese-based company acting suspicously would make a good story in the media, as well. After all, they've gone after Illusion and Toyota.
So in case you're not US, but EU, just follow the link http://ec.europa.eu/competition/forms/consumer_form_en.html
It's free, simple and powerful. Just fill in the form and send it.
What should you claim? simply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud
Your PS3 suppose to support linux and all PS3 games? well, you paid for that, but one of those will not work today on.selling counterfeit goods which are not what they claim to be, e.g., designer clothing, fake works of art, archaeological objects, etc.
on playstationlinux you can still read that the PS3 supports more than just all PS3 games, blue ray hd, dvds etc. it also supports Linux says sony. (With no linux, I could have bought a cheaper X360, which had more features at the beginning like in-game mp3 playing. was cheaper and had earlier HD movie renting).false advertising
I don't think this is about Japanese companys. It's rather about some management decision without the care of customer's rights.
Schrade said:YES!
Logan5's tool to make a proxy to bypass the stupid forced firmware update works. Now I can deactivate my accounts on my old PS3. Whew.
Thanks BoboBrazil for posting that!
JudgeN said:Is this law everywhere in Europe or just UK? Could turn into a huge cluster depending on how this goes.
missile said:Possible.
I think it's a sum of multiple things. First an foremost I think that having the
RSX enabled from day 1 would have made the PS3 a good competitor for
low-end PCs over time. Not everyone needs 4GB of RAM. One can do quite
a lot of stuff with PS3Linux if set up right. A friend of mine recently bought
a low-end PC for his girl-friend. She just needs it to surf the web, do some
word processing, play same small games, and watching youtube vids.
iapetus said:Everywhere in Europe, but the duration varies from country to country. The EU directive specifies that it must be at least 2 years. Some countries went with a longer period, up to 6 years in the UK.
iapetus said:Everywhere in Europe, but the duration varies from country to country. The EU directive specifies that it must be at least 2 years. Some countries went with a longer period, up to 6 years in the UK.
Factor in that one gets a PS3 as well (and not only a PC), meaning, playing games,patsu said:Doubtful. ...
Clear said:I suspect that Sony's defence against the "no longer fit for purpose" argument will be that access to PSN is not a right, and that they are offering users a clear choice between that functionality and the ability to install OtherOS.
I think its already been proven that they can simply withdraw access rights to the PSN network and all features relating to that service at their discretion. That being the case, the need to install the FW update is mandatory only in the sense of how it relates to PSN access.
Essentially, Sony is probably going to argue that the removal of OtherOS is a measure to safeguard the security of PSN, and that it is entirely their right to demand the feature be disabled before they grant access.
The key thing is that they are coercing (strong-arming is closer to the truth) the end-user into removing OtherOS, they aren't disabling it remotely or actually forcing anyone to do it, so legally there is no case to answer.
I feel bad for Iapetus and other PS3-Linux users, being given Hobson's choice like this is a pretty shitty thing to happen, but I can't see any litigation going anywhere because the key point is that Sony do have the right to withhold PSN access and services in order to protect the security of the online platform.