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[onQ123]

PlayStation 5 now ranks 3rd in lifetime hardware dollar sales in U.S. history, trailing only Switch and Xbox 360. The platform currently ranks 11th in lifetime unit sales.

Circana December 2024: #1 Black Ops 6 #2 Madden #3 College Football #14 Indiana Jones ; PS5 #1 Units + Rev, NSW #2 Units + Rev

NPD Archives State of the market December 2024 projected U.S. consumer spending on video game hardware, content and accessories declined 8.9% when compared to a year ago, to $7.5B. Spending during the 2024 year fell 1.1% compared to 2023, to $58.7B. December video game content spending fell 5%...

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[noob smokes]

We need some competition in this bitch

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

It's not good news, another competition is needed for Playstation.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Best generation ever

 

[RetroGamingUK]

GTA6 and the collapse of Xbox will give them a big boost in 2025.

And that’s despite their first party 2025 lineup looking relatively meh.

 

[Unknown?]

It's not good news, another competition is needed for Playstation.

Nintendo and PC are fine competition. I wouldn't mind someone else coming to replace Xbox though, as long as it's not a shitty streaming device.

 

[Loomy]

And this is why Sony sees nothing that needs fixing.

 

[onQ123]

It's not good news, another competition is needed for Playstation.

How is it not good news?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

It's not good news, another competition is needed for Playstation.

PC, Switch 2 and mobile is the competition now.

No other company will enter the console space only to end up like Microsoft, Sega and Atari.

 

[Elbereth]

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's not good news, another competition is needed for Playstation.

I thought PC and Switch 2 were going to be the new big threat to Playstation?

 

[GHG]

But but it's worse than the PS3.

 

[bender]

But how would you go about fixing Sony if given the opportunity?

 

[Horseganador]

One thing is the parallel reality of the forums where Playstation is finished and is its worst generation and another is the real market where it is breaking revenue records, Hermen's disaster with the gaas does not matter to the general public.

 

[Wooxsvan]

congrats but i will admit iv purchased fewer games this gen than any other PS gen by far. most of my purchases are on PC atm.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

But how would you go about fixing Sony if given the opportunity?

Release more Gaas alongside their sp output.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

I thought PC and Switch 2 were going to be the new big threat to Playstation?

They’ll be more than enough to keep Sony on their toes.

After 5 successful back to back home consoles though, I expect Sony will have more success in this market for a long time yet.

 

[Darsxx82]

Hardware dolar sales?? in what position in units?

 

[CLW]

Amazing that despite PS massive missteps Phil’s complete INCOMPETENCE has allowed PS to just cruise with no competition in sight.

 

[GHG]

One thing is the parallel reality of the forums where Playstation is finished and is its worst generation and another is the real market where it is breaking revenue records, Hermen's disaster with the gaas does not matter to the general public.

Of course it doesn't.

People just look at the games that are available and where it's possible to play them.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Amazing that despite PS massive missteps Phil’s complete INCOMPETENCE has allowed PS to just cruise with no competition in sight.

And the vast majority of gamers don't care as much about Sony's missteps as Gaf has you believe.

This is a bubble.

 

[adamsapple]

But but it's worse than the PS3.

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

How is it not good news?

Because look at how Arrogant Sony is currently, it was better off with the competition that was Xbox 360.

Nintendo and PC are fine competition. I wouldn't mind someone else coming to replace Xbox though, as long as it's not a shitty streaming device.

Right now I wish SEGA or at least Xbox would come back.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

GTA6 and the collapse of Xbox will give them a big boost in 2025.

And that’s despite their first party 2025 lineup looking relatively meh.

GTA6 is basically a PS5 exclusive at this point

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

congrats but i will admit iv purchased fewer games this gen than any other PS gen by far. most of my purchases are on PC atm.

Same here

Trying to think but I believe my last real PS exclusive I bought was Astrobot?

Everything else I truly wanted to play I did on PC

 

[CLW]

And the vast majority of gamers don't care as much about Sony's missteps as Gaf has you believe.

This is a bubble.

Well yeah because most gamers don’t play first party exclusives - your “average” gamer probably plays some combination of COD Fortnite GTA and a sports title(s)

So in their world everything is just fine

 

[RetroGamingUK]

GTA6 is basically a PS5 exclusive at this point

In a way, kinda.

For the casual, they’ll only see the PlayStation branded marketing

For the hardcore, those Digital Foundry comparisons between Series S and PS5 Pro will be brutal

 

[Idleyes]

One thing is the parallel reality of the forums where Playstation is finished and is its worst generation and another is the real market where it is breaking revenue records, Hermen's disaster with the gaas does not matter to the general public.

I’d bet that if Sony didn’t have exclusives, this argument would fall apart. Why? Because the argument relies on exclusives just as much as Sony’s revenue does. Their financial success isn’t necessarily a reflection of how good or bad this generation is, but rather a testament to how successful their exclusives have been.

 

[Leo9]

Without adjusting for inflation I guess.

 

[Sooner]

But but it's worse than the PS3.

PS3 was great. It gave us new IPs Uncharted, Infamous, The Last of Us, Demon's/Dark Souls franchises, plus all the multi-platform new IPs.

It also outsold Xbox 360, which is considered a huge success.

 

[Cakeboxer]

How is it not good news?

What do you think will happen in a gen without a direct competitor? Better prices? Better service? More and better games? Without direct competition you most likely will see greed and lazyness. Pc and Switch are not enought, thay have different target audiences.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Well yeah because most gamers don’t play first party exclusives - your “average” gamer probably plays some combination of COD Fortnite GTA and a sports title(s)

So in their world everything is just fine

Yes, that's why most of the drama about Sony's missteps is but a fart in the wind.

 

[Gambit2483]

Best generation ever

Ah yes, Remake after remake, one game per studio a gen (if we're lucky) and cancelations/studio shutdowns left and right.

Truly we are in a golden age of gaming.

 

[GHG]

PS3 was great. It gave us new IPs Uncharted, Infamous, The Last of Us, Demon's/Dark Souls franchises, plus all the multi-platform new IPs.

It also outsold Xbox 360, which is considered a huge success.

It certainly wasn't outselling the 360 at this point in the generation.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Ah yes, Remake after remake and cancelations/studio shutdowns left and right.

Truly we are in a golden age of gaming.

Game of the year candidate after game of the year candidate

Every single year

But yeah, only remakes and studio shutdowns.

How are those marching orders this week going

 

[Metnut]

The first party output has been a disappointment so far but I need a box to play games and PS5 is the best option for me. Not surprised it’s doing well.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

It certainly wasn't outselling the 360 at this point in the generation.

PS3 outsold Xbox 360 every month since it launched.

Only the year head start (16 month head start in Europe) made 360 look like it was winning.

 

[Kacho]

Hardware dolar sales?? in what position in units?

 

[ProtoByte]

And this is why Sony sees nothing that needs fixing.

They'll see it when they realize how hard selling a PS6 is because of their conduct with the PS5.

edit: The reactions to this post so far are very Xbox fanboy circa 2018-2020. Don't be dumb enough to just allow PS to act like this and be surprised when the PS6 is in freefall. There's no excuse, we've already got an example.

 

[blacktout]

This makes sense, since this is pure, unadjusted hardware dollar sales the main PS5 SKU is $500 and the pro is $700.

It's still a real accomplishment though, since this means that they are selling a lot of units at those prices. It just doesn't mean that the PS5 is more successful than, say, the PS2, relative to inflation.

 

[adamsapple]

Damn, X360 was a beast.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Nintendo and PC are fine competition. I wouldn't mind someone else coming to replace Xbox though, as long as it's not a shitty streaming device.

PC isn't competition for them at the moment but the PC market is definitely growing so it could be in the future.

 

[Bojji]

Best generation ever

For Sony

 

[GHG]

PS3 outsold Xbox 360 every month since it launched he’d.

In your dreams.

NPD August 2007:

PlayStation 2 202K
PlayStation 3 130.6K
PlayStation Portable 151.2 K
Xbox 360 276.7K
Wii 403.6 K
Nintendo DS 383.3K
GBA 69.5K

September 2007:

PlayStation 2 215K
PlayStation 3 119.4K
PlayStation Portable 284.5K
Xbox 360 527.8K
Wii 501K
Nintendo DS 495.8K
Game Boy Advance 75K

October 2007:

Wii 519K
Nintendo DS 458K
Xbox 360 366K
PSP 286K
PlayStation 2 184K
PlayStation 3 121K

November 2007:

PlayStation 2 496K
PlayStation 3 466K
PSP 567K
Xbox 360 770K
Wii 981K
Nintendo DS 1.53 million

December 2007 (2007 annual in brackets):

PlayStation 2 1.1 million (3.97 million)
PlayStation 3 797.6 K (2.56 million)
PlayStation Portable 1.06 million (3.82 million)
Xbox 360 1.26 million (4.62 million)
Wii 1.35 million (6.29 million)
Nintendo DS 2.47 million (8.50 million)


With that, it is clear why some people wish to go back.

 

[onQ123]

What do you think will happen in a gen without a direct competitor? Better prices? Better service? More and better games? Without direct competition you most likely will see greed and lazyness. Pc and Switch are not enought, thay have different target audiences.

PS2 didn't have much competition

 

[EN250]

We need some competition in this bitch

You won't get any in the strict console space, Nintendo is too comfortable penny pinching their HW budget and releasing hybrid low spec systems that sell bajillions, PCMR don't care about consoles one way or the other and Xbox is doing whatever is in their power to become irrelevant asap

This gen is a mess, PS5 is coasting and will continue to do so thanks to GTAVI, if it wasn't for that, they'd feel some pressure to actually do something and release good games

 

[Unknown?]

In your dreams.

NPD August 2007:

PlayStation 2 202K
PlayStation 3 130.6K
PlayStation Portable 151.2 K
Xbox 360 276.7K
Wii 403.6 K
Nintendo DS 383.3K
GBA 69.5K

September 2007:

PlayStation 2 215K
PlayStation 3 119.4K
PlayStation Portable 284.5K
Xbox 360 527.8K
Wii 501K
Nintendo DS 495.8K
Game Boy Advance 75K

October 2007:

Wii 519K
Nintendo DS 458K
Xbox 360 366K
PSP 286K
PlayStation 2 184K
PlayStation 3 121K

November 2007:

PlayStation 2 496K
PlayStation 3 466K
PSP 567K
Xbox 360 770K
Wii 981K
Nintendo DS 1.53 million

December 2007 (2007 annual in brackets):

PlayStation 2 1.1 million (3.97 million)
PlayStation 3 797.6 K (2.56 million)
PlayStation Portable 1.06 million (3.82 million)
Xbox 360 1.26 million (4.62 million)
Wii 1.35 million (6.29 million)
Nintendo DS 2.47 million (8.50 million)


With that, it is clear why some people wish to go back.

This is only North America. I'm pretty sure total PS3 sells in 2007 were greater than that of Xbox.

 

[Gambit2483]

Game of the year candidate after game of the year candidate

Every single year

But yeah, only remakes and studio shutdowns.

How are those marching orders this week going

Fine. How are yours?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

In your dreams.

NPD August 2007:

PlayStation 2 202K
PlayStation 3 130.6K
PlayStation Portable 151.2 K
Xbox 360 276.7K
Wii 403.6 K
Nintendo DS 383.3K
GBA 69.5K

September 2007:

PlayStation 2 215K
PlayStation 3 119.4K
PlayStation Portable 284.5K
Xbox 360 527.8K
Wii 501K
Nintendo DS 495.8K
Game Boy Advance 75K

October 2007:

Wii 519K
Nintendo DS 458K
Xbox 360 366K
PSP 286K
PlayStation 2 184K
PlayStation 3 121K

November 2007:

PlayStation 2 496K
PlayStation 3 466K
PSP 567K
Xbox 360 770K
Wii 981K
Nintendo DS 1.53 million

December 2007 (2007 annual in brackets):

PlayStation 2 1.1 million (3.97 million)
PlayStation 3 797.6 K (2.56 million)
PlayStation Portable 1.06 million (3.82 million)
Xbox 360 1.26 million (4.62 million)
Wii 1.35 million (6.29 million)
Nintendo DS 2.47 million (8.50 million)


With that, it is clear why some people wish to go back.

Was talking globally, hence why I mentioned the European launch delay.