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PS5 Pro developer verdict: ‘I didn’t meet a single person that understood the point of it’
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Lucifers Beard
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I hope you're right, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Monkfish877
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Damn right!!!, It's 2024 and I'm still waiting for a Ps5 game with "next gen graphics." PS5's power hasn't even been utilised fully, so what's the point of a pro model?
Roxkis_ii
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I can go on Facebook market place right now and find 20 people selling them for $250. Them selling out isn't a real metric of interest and popularity, especially when it looks like it got snatched up by a bunch of scalpers.
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HeisenbergFX4
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And if they are selling at $250 still shows popularity for them
If there wasn't scalpers wouldn't be touching them
Johnny Concrete
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I would argue that going from LCD to OLED is a bigger visual upgrade than what we’re going to see from PS5 to PS5 pro.I mean didn't Nintendo just get away with a Switch that can't switch and an Oled model that's just a screen upgrade ?
sendit
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Creatively in game design? No. The biggest change going in to this gen was the speed in which data traversed and decompressed from SSD to VRAM.
Graphically? Yes, these consoles have already been pushed to it's limits. We can see that in a multitude of games struggling to run at 30 FPS. We won't see games that look much better than Horizon Forbidden West.
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Topher
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How is it overclocked when the clocks have barely changed? You think m-cable is the same as modern GPU upscaling tech?
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MisterXDTV
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Buggy Loop
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PC GPU gens aren't what they used to be though, and while there's low range / upper range iterations in the following year, mobile chipsets, etc, that stretch the product stack beyond the desktop segment, it's realistically more like a 2 year gen.
Fermi 2010-2012
Kepler 2012-2014
Maxwell 2014-2016
Pascal 2016-2018
Turing 2018-2020
Ampere 2020-2022
Ada 2022-2025(?)
And if you notice, the massive dominant gens such as Pascal created an oscillation much like car traffic stop-go where peoples skip the following gen. Ampere even amplified this as it was the work at home craze. Ada suffers more than Turing because of that.
Pascal - GO
Turing - stop
Ampere - GO
Ada - Stop
Blackwell - ?
So PC gamers seem fine in a ~4 years interval, even if there's tsunamis of product stacks released each years, the biggest adoptions seems to be in the range of 4 years.
If most devs cannot flex hardware on PS5 base, those pixel soup messy console titles (often messy too on PC as a result) won't be fixed by better hardware.
If devs don't understand what to do with better hardware or that the problems are beyond just GPU power, it probably means that even upgrading to Blackwell in 2025 might not make much sense. Where will be the games to push it? The console gen is one of the slowest in graphical improvement in history, it'll definitely impact PC also long term.
splattered
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I mean if devs at GDC are saying this stuff then maybe Spencer wasn't crazy for saying the same thing about the Series X and not really needing a mid-gen refresh yet cause the full potential isn't even being realized on current consoles. Makes more sense then just to make a damn good portal xbox and accelerate development on the next gen Xbox.
Radical_3d
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Fess
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As with PS4 Pro it’s a way to try keeping console gamers from jumping to PC when the talk goes that consoles are getting weak for new games.
I’ve already jumped. I’ll reconsider consoles when a new generation starts.
Topher
Identifies as young
I think Phil Spencer says that because he knows now that winning the power war isn't going to win the console war for Xbox. Remember how he bragged to Nadella about Xbox after the PS5 specs reveal? If the power delta was making Xbox compete with PlayStation, you can be damn sure Microsoft would have a mid-gen refresh to maintain that advantage.
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MisterXDTV
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Of course....
Even if MS releases a powerhouse mid-gen it's not gonna make any difference. The Xbox platform has no value, it's dead
Sushi_Combo
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We don't need a pro system. I'm glad the devs feel the same way.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
This is correct, along with 24fps and 2000ms input latency…….
Topher
Identifies as young
I wouldn't go that far, but I do think Microsoft has to try something different if they are going to stay in hardware. Then again, we've already had Sarah Bond making grandiose claims about the capabilities of the next Xbox so I'm not sure Microsoft has learned anything. Doing the same thing over and over again....
MisterXDTV
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That's why you are free to NOT BUY IT...
Sushi_Combo
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Why have resources allocated on a system with potentially less than 1% of the base using? Makes no sense from a business perspective.
MisterXDTV
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Oh, you already know it's gonna be 1%???
LOL
We will see what happens this Christmas
Sushi_Combo
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We'll revisit this for sure
darrylgorn
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Haint
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I'm obviously being hyperbolic to emphasize the points that the claimed 40% improvement in raster is very small, and 4 years is a long time in technology. But yes, 40% gains did use to be in line with what you could achieve overclocking CPUs or GPUs. Furthermore, given AMDs track record in demonstrating stunning incompetence WRT upscaling, I'm not going to say it's a guarantee to blow devices like M-Cable out if the water. For example if Nvidia made an HDMI "Shield-Cable" it could probably outperform the Pro's solution.
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Radical_3d
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So you forgot what happened with the PS4Pro? Maybe the tap water where you live is not top quality, I’d say.
Mr Moose
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They do that now anyway.
Sushi_Combo
Member
Different economic environments, most people are not going to opt for this, it will cater to just a very small community of gamers. In any case, we will see the outcome if it does release this year.
midnightAI
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Did they speak to any Sony Devs?
PS5 Pro developer verdict: ‘I didn't meet a single person that understood the po
Enthusiasm for the PS5 Pro seems to be non-existent amongst most video game developers, with most claiming there is no need for it.metro.co.uk
Your thoughts neogaf?
Dr. Wilkinson
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All of this is true, but it largely depends on if they think they can sell enough PS5 Pros to justify it. If, like PS VR2, things are slow to move and they stuck with inventory and demand is really low, all of the costs associated with creating and launching new hardware would hurt them and further shrink their operating margin. So there has to be a large audience there to justify it. I'd say there's a relatively strong chance that PS5 Pro would sell maybe half of what PS4 Pro sold. There just doesn't seem to be that demand/ interest/ hunger this cycle for a Pro refresh.
Like many others on here, I am still sort of looking to see a current-gen ground-up game take full advantage of PS5, let alone is there any interest from me for a mid-gen Pro. I bought a PS4 Pro, and was largely disappointed, because many of the best games too way to long to get patches that took advantage of it. And beyond that, having a second full-strength GPU inside the PS4 Pro did nothing remotely similar to what it sounded like it should do.
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Radical_3d
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The bold stated was as true in 2016. I’ll give you that the economic environment is not the same as we, Europeans, are with an eye on Rusia. But it’s also true that a) PlayStation is the most popular ecosystem for third parties and b) this time it’s not facing any competition from Xbox. And we are in 2024 where PSPortal the most outrageous machine with the worst value proposition is sold out. I’m afraid I’ll have problems to grab one day one.
midnightAI
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They need to try harder then
Ceadeus
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Everyone has different experience getting mid gen upgrade. I sure do remember getting the ps4 pro. Regretting my purchase, getting underwhelming upgrades over an handful of titles. Like 5 or 6 games. Most of the upgrades weren't frame rate boost but a checkerboard 4k.
The best upgrades were to the psvr image quality. But this time the PSVR2 already has good image clarity but then its library sucks. The peripheral ain't supported anymore by Sony or it's just a matter of time, really.
So yeah I'll most likely be skipping the ps5 pro.
Next purchase should be Switch 2! HERE WE GOOOO! BOING BOING
Edit: if you are upgrading to PS5 Pro, what new unannounced console features would make you excited the most?
The best upgrades were to the psvr image quality. But this time the PSVR2 already has good image clarity but then its library sucks. The peripheral ain't supported anymore by Sony or it's just a matter of time, really.
So yeah I'll most likely be skipping the ps5 pro.
Next purchase should be Switch 2! HERE WE GOOOO! BOING BOING
Edit: if you are upgrading to PS5 Pro, what new unannounced console features would make you excited the most?
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Iced Arcade
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After last Gen pro consoles and their minimal gains, fuck that I'll save my money personally. But I get there is a market for people who just like buying the new things on the market.
On a side note... Remember when developers works with what they had and optimized the shit out of it. 360/PS3 made magic out of 512mb of ram.
On a side note... Remember when developers works with what they had and optimized the shit out of it. 360/PS3 made magic out of 512mb of ram.
OuterLimits
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The answer is somewhat mentioned in the article. This generation doesn't feel 4 years old because of Covid and the following severe supply chain issues. This generation has included a very long "cross-gen" period where developers had to make the games playable on the old PS4 with a shitty ancient Jaguar CPU. Only recently have we seen the cross gen period largely ending.
Plus, even without the unique challenges this generation, it is often the case that games released later in console generations are far more impressive and make the most out the hardware.
CitizenKratos
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Even if this is actual opinion from actual devs, probably a small sample size and of no concern at this point.
omegasc
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last gen was a resolution bump, basically (still worth it: I loved the PS4 Pro). The reason I am looking forward to this one is to see what will be done with the "new techs" like AI upscaling, frame gen, and ray tracing in the console space. I guess I like games and tech!
Dorfdad
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Such a rubbish piece of fluff. Tell me ONE true game designer that doesn't like having more power in a closed system that will let them expand their game to fill their visions? NOT one would say no we dont want more tools / power / GPU / Ram speeds were good with what we have.
The ones saying this are studios / developers who don't want to invest in anything new. New hardware means more resources and training. A lot of developers are already feeling the pinch of today's markets and costs, adding another Sku to them means more work. That's what they don't want. Hell they dont even optimize existing hardware properly. Asking them to add more bells and whistles to shit code is probably asking too much. So don't blame SONY for providing an improvement. Don't blame the customer who can't even get stable 30FPS in games and demand more from their 69.99 games or PC players who spend 3K+ on new GPUS and modern games can't even run proper 60FPS.
Maybe development cycles are to short now I can agree on that, and maybe they need to offer more modular consoles going forward to allow GPU / CPU upgrades over Base systems, but still walled in. I don't know the answer obviously but them saying No one sees a need for them is pure bullshit.
The ones saying this are studios / developers who don't want to invest in anything new. New hardware means more resources and training. A lot of developers are already feeling the pinch of today's markets and costs, adding another Sku to them means more work. That's what they don't want. Hell they dont even optimize existing hardware properly. Asking them to add more bells and whistles to shit code is probably asking too much. So don't blame SONY for providing an improvement. Don't blame the customer who can't even get stable 30FPS in games and demand more from their 69.99 games or PC players who spend 3K+ on new GPUS and modern games can't even run proper 60FPS.
Maybe development cycles are to short now I can agree on that, and maybe they need to offer more modular consoles going forward to allow GPU / CPU upgrades over Base systems, but still walled in. I don't know the answer obviously but them saying No one sees a need for them is pure bullshit.
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
I hate to use the term "lazy devs", but the abominably poor performance of so many PS5 exclusives is exactly why a PS5 Pro is needed. The PS5 is now more than three years on the market and I still feel next gen hasn't started yet. There are far too many PS5 games that look like PS4 games yet somehow perform worse. Worst console gen ever.
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ShadyAcshuns
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Look at how PS4 Pro sold when it had a legit reason to exist: 4K resolution. Also, price will be a huge factor in how much it will sell. At $599 it'll likely sell less than PS4 Pro did, and @ $699 it'll only sell to tech adopters, aka a very low percent of the fan base.
At best, scalper bots will buy up early stock and give the appearance of healthy sales.
KXVXII9X
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They have been saying almost everything I have been saying since the PS5 Pro rumors started.
I don't think both the PS5 and XSX have been used to their potential and I think throwing more power at a problem is due to a lack of creativity and vision.
There is a reason the Switch has done extremely well despite being underpowered. It has a steady stream of great software and doesn't need the most cutting-edge tech. I don't think more powerful systems will automatically bring new gameplay ideas and advancements. Especially, since there is talk about just relying on old IP's and playing it safer.
The best kinds of games will make the most of what they have to work with due to out of the box thinking.
I don't think both the PS5 and XSX have been used to their potential and I think throwing more power at a problem is due to a lack of creativity and vision.
There is a reason the Switch has done extremely well despite being underpowered. It has a steady stream of great software and doesn't need the most cutting-edge tech. I don't think more powerful systems will automatically bring new gameplay ideas and advancements. Especially, since there is talk about just relying on old IP's and playing it safer.
The best kinds of games will make the most of what they have to work with due to out of the box thinking.
Rocco Schiavone
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Ghost Of Tsushima Looks better than this game and It's a PS4 game.
The Pro will never fix poor man's work.
Luipadre
Member
When they revealed these consoles everyone was happy, but the only good thing came out of it was the SSD and loading speeds. We had better image quality in the PS4 pro era ffs
