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[Woopah]

Third parties have been carrying PS5 this generation. Sony has done a lot of smart deals securing big console exclusives like FF7 Rebirth, Stellar Blade, Silent Hill 2 and Rise of the Ronin. Outside of Astro Bot, first party have been severely lacking. It started out good with Demon's Souls, Returnal, Rift Apart, Forbidden West and Ragnarok, but since they went balls deep with GaaS it's been dry land and Sony seems to have foreseen it, making all these deals. But when I think about it, Playstation has always been carried by third party, with Sony securing big exclusives to their platform. It has been like this every generation. It's just more noticeable now that PS Studios have such an amazing track record that defines the PS platform.

Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin are published by Sony, so they are first party along with Helldivers 2.

I wonder why Sony doesn't expand a portfolio of genres from their first party studios.
I mean they have many third person adventures, but no first person shooters (except Destiny 2), no sports games, no JPRG, no fighting, no air sim etc.

Why don't make a game like Twisted Metal or Vigilant 8 with modern graphics and destructable stages?

They have MLB as their sport game.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

 

[Mr Hyde]

Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin are published by Sony, so they are first party along with Helldivers 2.

They have MLB as their sport game.

No, they are not first party just because Sony published them. Second party maybe, but not first party.

 

[Woopah]

No, they are not first party just because Sony published them. Second party maybe, but not first party.

Second party at best is a type of first party. Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin are first party games in the same way Bayonetta 3, Fire Emblem Warriors and Spiderman PS4 were first party games.

 

[Katatonic]

Ah Push Square, another outlet pretending to be PS centric but is just there for FUD.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Ah Push Square, another outlet pretending to be PS centric but is just there for FUD.

So you don't like them because you want a fanboy site? Sorry but being critical of companies and products is paramount. It is because no one was able to be critical and call out the gaas and woke push that so many hate that they went through with concord and lost over 400 million dollars.

 

[midnightAI]

No, they are not first party just because Sony published them. Second party maybe, but not first party.

They also paid for the development, they are first party games made by (in the case of Stellar Blade and ShiftUp) a second party developer

 

[RPCGamer]

Sony are doing fine regardless if they stumble at times. The bigger issue in gaming is the lack of competition in that space.

 

[Mr Hyde]

They also paid for the development, they are first party games made by (in the case of Stellar Blade and ShiftUp) a second party developer

It's the same situation as Bloodborne. Sony payed for development and owns the IP, but made by third party developer. Or Detroit Become Human. It's second party at best. It's not first party because Sony doesn't own the studios that's making the games. That's the difference.

 

[Crayon]

No, they are not first party just because Sony published them. Second party maybe, but not first party.

Second party at best is a type of first party. Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin are first party games in the same way Bayonetta 3, Fire Emblem Warriors and Spiderman PS4 were first party games.

This is a perfect example of how we are removed from reality. Stellar blade is a good, successful game that Sony got to plaster their name all over and you need a ps5 to play. That's all that matters out there. First party, second party, ports in the future, budget to develop... nobody cares.

 

[CloudShiner]

Pushsquare has the worst, most childish commenters out there. Check out any article about the Pro or digital sales and they all pop out, spouting pathetic but often very unpleasant and personal stuff towards anyone excited about the Pro or daring to buy a digital game. And as others say, Pushsquare themselves practically troll for it with their 'articles'.

 

[Woopah]

This is a perfect example of how we are removed from reality. Stellar blade is a good, successful game that Sony got to plaster their name all over and you need a ps5 to play. That's all that matters out there. First party, second party, ports in the future, budget to develop... nobody cares.

If you're making an arguement about third parties carrying PS5, then it does matter no?

 

[Crayon]

If you're making an arguement about third parties carrying PS5, then it does matter no?

It matters to us, discussing it academically. But a lot of that is in a framework that is imagined. For instance, we don't lament how steam is carried by third party, or at least to anywhere near the same extent. Sure, there is reasoning behind that double standard but it's mostly to facilitate these kind on conversations and/or squabbling.

So one of sony's biggest games this year was not actually made in-house. Let's talk. But let's also not forget that it doesn't mean much in reality. Reality in this case meaning what direction they are supposed to go. Something like helldivers being a surprise hit or concord being the bomb of the century is what's really going to affect their moves. Whether stellar blade was made by one of their own teams or not, though? Fun to talk about but let's keep some perspective.

 

[Woopah]

It matters to us, discussing it academically. But a lot of that is in a framework that is imagined. For instance, we don't lament how steam is carried by third party, or at least to anywhere near the same extent. Sure, there is reasoning behind that double standard but it's mostly to facilitate these kind on conversations and/or squabbling.

So one of sony's biggest games this year was not actually made in-house. Let's talk. But let's also not forget that it doesn't mean much in reality. Reality in this case meaning what direction they are supposed to go. Something like helldivers being a surprise hit or concord being the bomb of the century is what's really going to affect their moves. Whether stellar blade was made by one of their own teams or not, though? Fun to talk about but let's keep some perspective.

I don't think the name of the publisher is neccessirly changing what people buy. But when discussing Helldivers or Concord for instance, I think its important to look at who is responsible. Sony is to blame for Concord, but they are not to blame for Forspoken. Likewise they should get a lot more credit for Helldivers 2 than for Space Marine 2.

 

[Mr Hyde]

This is a perfect example of how we are removed from reality. Stellar blade is a good, successful game that Sony got to plaster their name all over and you need a ps5 to play. That's all that matters out there. First party, second party, ports in the future, budget to develop... nobody cares.

It's a discussion forum for video game nerds. All things are worth arguing about, even insignificant semantics. If you don't like it then deactivate your account and get the fuck out of here.

 

[Crayon]

It's a discussion forum for video game nerds. All things are worth arguing about, even insignificant semantics. If you don't like it then deactivate your account and get the fuck out of here.

I think you have a little sand in your clit, there. I didn't say it shouldn't be talked about.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

So you don't like them because you want a fanboy site? Sorry but being critical of companies and products is paramount. It is because no one was able to be critical and call out the gaas and woke push that so many hate that they went through with concord and lost over 400 million dollars.

This is so true and sadly, gamers will never learn. Especially console gaming with its casuals and fanboys, those of us who are mature enough to be critical and complain when Sony or MS behaves badly, are doomed to be drowned out by the hordes of fanboys that exist in every corner of the internet.

It doesn't matter how egregious the situation, they're always there to defend and attack ("all gamers do is complain"; "nobody cares about graphics and franerate"; " you're just entitled", etc etc)

As a result we're perpetually 2 steps behind whatever the next bad decision, misleading advertising, or negative trend Sony/MS/Nintendo/greedy publishers want to throw our way. By the time gamers wake up to something it's too late.

 

[mckmas8808]

Those games stopped being made cause not enough people bought them.

The big money is in Fortnite.

Fortnite is only a small part of the bigger video game industry. Stop it!

 

[RPCGamer]

One that I wish would go away, so other studios can stop chasing the genre.

 

[Toons]

PS5 Pro will make them back most/all the money lost from Concord alone

Once that stops happening then we can talk

 

[Mr Hyde]

I think you have a little sand in your clit, there. I didn't say it shouldn't be talked about.

I think you should get off your fucking high horse and stop telling people how far removed from reality they are for having a discussion you ain't even apart of.

 

[Crayon]

I don't think the name of the publisher is neccessirly changing what people buy. But when discussing Helldivers or Concord for instance, I think its important to look at who is responsible. Sony is to blame for Concord, but they are not to blame for Forspoken. Likewise they should get a lot more credit for Helldivers 2 than for Space Marine 2.

Some of this stuff can definingly be predictive. As far as whether stellar blade is 1st,2nd, or 3rd party though... ehh. Fun to talk about but sony could ramp up their outside partnerships or their 1st party studios and the outcomes might be pretty similar. ie: how many successful games do they get to plaster to billboards and on the sides of busses. They did tons and tons of that in the ps1 days and I don't think that dynamic has changed. Getting a game associated with the platform, and negatively associated with competitors is pretty much the goal. By hook or by crook.

 

[midnightAI]

It's the same situation as Bloodborne. Sony payed for development and owns the IP, but made by third party developer. Or Detroit Become Human. It's second party at best. It's not first party because Sony doesn't own the studios that's making the games. That's the difference.

But the second party is making the game for Sony so it's a first party game, Sony fund it, Sony publish it and in most cases Sony own the IP (but not always). And as far as Sony is concerned, if they publish it then it's first party.

Before Insomniac was bought by Sony they said they were a third party studio making first party games for them. In fact, 'technically' second party doesn't actually exist, it's a term used to define a third party developer making a first party game, that is all.

And did you really say Bloodborne isn't first party?

 

[bitbydeath]

It's the same situation as Bloodborne. Sony payed for development and owns the IP, but made by third party developer. Or Detroit Become Human. It's second party at best. It's not first party because Sony doesn't own the studios that's making the games. That's the difference.

Acktually…

The deals that Sony funds, Bloodborne, Stellar B, Helldivers 2 etc are co-developed by Sony XDev teams.

 

[Danjin44]

 

[Hawking Radiation]

PS5 Pro will make them back most/all the money lost from Concord alone

Once that stops happening then we can talk

Once a $1400 console (in my region) sells out then we can talk

I honestly don't see such an expensive device doing that great on the sales charts.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Man, the Playstation haters have been having a field day since Concord. Smart business know how to adapt, so I have faith Sony won't go out of business by keep making games people don't want to buy.

Those people were awfully quite after Helldivers 2 weren't they?

 

[farmerboy]

Why all the stress.
If you were around during early PS3, then this is just a blip on the radar

 

[nial]

But the second party is making the game for Sony so it's a first party game, Sony fund it, Sony publish it and in most cases Sony own the IP (but not always). And as far as Sony is concerned, if they publish it then it's first party.

Before Insomniac was bought by Sony they said they were a third party studio making first party games for them. In fact, 'technically' second party doesn't actually exist, it's a term used to define a third party developer making a first party game, that is all.

And did you really say Bloodborne isn't first party?

These people don't realize that they're throwing under the bus all the great first-party Sony games not made by its internal studios in previous generations with this second-party bullshit.
From the top of my head; Demon's Souls 2009, Bloodborne, Spider-Man, Boku no Natsuyasumi series, Infamous 1-2, Patapon series, Death Stranding, Helldivers, Everybody's Golf series, etc.

 

[SweetTooth]

I wonder why Sony doesn't expand a portfolio of genres from their first party studios.
I mean they have many third person adventures, but no first person shooters (except Destiny 2), no sports games, no JPRG, no fighting, no air sim etc.

Why don't make a game like Twisted Metal or Vigilant 8 with modern graphics and destructable stages?

Replace Sony with Nintendo and/or Microsoft and you will realize Sony actually is the only one expanding their portfolio and taking risks.

 

[pasterpl]

Oh please tell me you did not JUST complain about Playstation's game releases from fall 2020 until the end of 2021 (that included new IP Returnal, a Ratchet game, Sackboy, etc) and then decided to say you bought a Series S that had nothing to play but CGi trailers from a conference made you do it, lmao

Marketing working better than game releases for some people huh.

I love these sort of comments, I can say myself, after having ps4 pro, it was my last PlayStation, I can play all of 3rd party games on Xbox Series X (got 2 of those) or Xbox Series S (got 2 of those as well), or my gaming PC. I also got switch Oled, steam deck (shortly will be getting it sold) and recently purchased Róg Ally X. I also play via xcloud on regular basis with Razer kishi and my phone. The reason I didn’t get PlayStation this gen is that Sony exclusives doesn’t appeal to me anymore (I loved wipeout, motorstorm, resistance, killzone etc during PS3 era). PS4 gen was much weaker for me, and I can see that it was a good call not getting playstation 5 - no games that interest me are being exclusive to this platform. So no games to play for me there.

 

[SteadyEvo]

A bit hyperbolic. If they learned their lesson from Concord, no harm no foul. If not, they should look at new management.

Get back to their bread and butter. Polished single player games focused on story, characters, and solid combat/gameplay.

Leave open world and gaas alone.

 

[Gaiff]

Get back to their bread and butter. Polished single player games focused on story, characters, and solid combat/gameplay.

Leave open world and gaas alone.

Some of their best selling games are open world though. Horizon, GOT, Infamous, and Spider-Man.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Why all the stress.
If you were around during early PS3, then this is just a blip on the radar

'Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.' ― G. Michael Hopf

Some men like to give up at the first sign of adversity. If Sony is being governed by a bunch of dimwits, we will simply vote with our wallets, have them fired, and find someone who will serve us as we desire. We are gamers, there is no modern audience that will bail them out if they fail. Only us. So they better figure out who pays the bills without expecting to get paid back with interest. It's already happened, it just hasn't shown up in the games yet. Sony won't forget Concord.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Third parties have been carrying PS5 this generation. Sony has done a lot of smart deals securing big console exclusives like FF7 Rebirth, Stellar Blade, Silent Hill 2 and Rise of the Ronin. Outside of Astro Bot, first party have been severely lacking. It started out good with Demon's Souls, Returnal, Rift Apart, Forbidden West and Ragnarok, but since they went balls deep with GaaS it's been dry land and Sony seems to have foreseen it, making all these deals. But when I think about it, Playstation has always been carried by third party, with Sony securing big exclusives to their platform. It has been like this every generation. It's just more noticeable now that PS Studios have such an amazing track record that defines the PS platform.

Third party deals have carried Sony through every single generation. Crash and Spyro weren't done by Sony studios back then (they were still 3rd party). Tomb Raider is an IP tied to PS but it's not a Sony IP, Final Fantasy is the same, etc...they ALWAYS had extensive deals like these. Remember this famous picture?



Guess what? At that point even Jak and Daxter wasn't done by an internal Sony studio. Naughty Dog was bought that same year. MGS2, FFX, Silent Hill 2, GTA, Devil May Cry, Ace Combat, etc...all were third party deals.

About the games you mentioned. Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade wouldn't exist without Sony's money. I don't know what you're talking about. You mentioned Astrobot but not Helldivers 2 as well. You also forgot about games like Spider-Man 2 somehow.

The "smart deals" to "secure big console exclusives" are something Sony has always done.

 

[mckmas8808]

Third party deals have carried Sony through every single generation. Crash and Spyro weren't done by Sony studios back then (they were still 3rd party). Tomb Raider is an IP tied to PS but it's not a Sony IP, Final Fantasy is the same, etc...they ALWAYS had extensive deals like these. Remember this famous picture?



Guess what? At that point even Jak and Daxter wasn't done by an internal Sony studio. Naughty Dog was bought that same year. MGS2, FFX, Silent Hill 2, GTA, Devil May Cry, Ace Combat, etc...all were third party deals.

About the games you mentioned. Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade wouldn't exist without Sony's money. I don't know what you're talking about. You mentioned Astrobot but not Helldivers 2 as well. You also forgot about games like Spider-Man 2 somehow.

The "smart deals" to "secure big console exclusives" are something Sony has always done.

And it's a reason why they outperformed Sega and got them out the paint. And are currently doing the same thing to Microsoft with the Xbox.

 

[Woopah]

Replace Sony with Nintendo and/or Microsoft and you will realize Sony actually is the only one expanding their portfolio and taking risks.

I don't think anyone would say Nintendo doesn't publish a diverse range of genres.

Some of this stuff can definingly be predictive. As far as whether stellar blade is 1st,2nd, or 3rd party though... ehh. Fun to talk about but sony could ramp up their outside partnerships or their 1st party studios and the outcomes might be pretty similar. ie: how many successful games do they get to plaster to billboards and on the sides of busses. They did tons and tons of that in the ps1 days and I don't think that dynamic has changed. Getting a game associated with the platform, and negatively associated with competitors is pretty much the goal. By hook or by crook.

There are several ways of getting a game associated with a platform, but they are not equal.

Monster Huner Rise, Monster Hunter Storues 2 and SMT V launched as Switch exclusives. But that doesn't mean we can say Nintendo had a strong first party line up in 2021.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Third party deals have carried Sony through every single generation. Crash and Spyro weren't done by Sony studios back then (they were still 3rd party). Tomb Raider is an IP tied to PS but it's not a Sony IP, Final Fantasy is the same, etc...they ALWAYS had extensive deals like these. Remember this famous picture?



Guess what? At that point even Jak and Daxter wasn't done by an internal Sony studio. Naughty Dog was bought that same year. MGS2, FFX, Silent Hill 2, GTA, Devil May Cry, Ace Combat, etc...all were third party deals.

About the games you mentioned. Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade wouldn't exist without Sony's money. I don't know what you're talking about. You mentioned Astrobot but not Helldivers 2 as well. You also forgot about games like Spider-Man 2 somehow.

The "smart deals" to "secure big console exclusives" are something Sony has always done.

You didn't even bother to read my full post before seething

"But when I think about it, Playstation has always been carried by third party, with Sony securing big exclusives to their platform. It has been like this every generation. It's just more noticeable now that PS Studios have such an amazing track record that defines the PS platform."

Not surprised though when it comes to you rabid fanboys.

These people don't realize that they're throwing under the bus all the great first-party Sony games not made by its internal studios in previous generations with this second-party bullshit.
From the top of my head; Demon's Souls 2009, Bloodborne, Spider-Man, Boku no Natsuyasumi series, Infamous 1-2, Patapon series, Death Stranding, Helldivers, Everybody's Golf series, etc.

 

[Crayon]

Monster Huner Rise, Monster Hunter Storues 2 and SMT V launched as Switch exclusives. But that doesn't mean we can say Nintendo had a strong first party line up in 2021.

It's true that doesn't make a first party lineup. My question is how much does that matter when someone goes to buy smt on their ps5, and learns that they have to have a switch to get it. That could even come as a surprise. I think most people recognize the tentpole first party games are not going to be on other consoles. So it's a similar outcome but a different experience from the buyer's perspective.

I think most also know to ask if the game is eventually coming to their platform, but with muddy answers thanks to exclusivity deals, it might not do that much to blunt the news that they can't get the game they wanted.

Marketing rights is another version of it. Obviously softer.

 

[nial]

I thought it would be a good and fitting conversation according to you.

It's a discussion forum for video game nerds. All things are worth arguing about, even insignificant semantics. If you don't like it then deactivate your account and get the fuck out of here.

 

[Mr Hyde]

I thought it would be a good and fitting conversation according to you.

 

[SteadyEvo]

Some of their best selling games are open world though. Horizon, GOT, Infamous, and Spider-Man.

Horizon and Ghost bored me to tears. Loved Infamous. Spiderman is great but after 2 i hope we don't see him for a while.

 

[Lunarorbit]

How many concords would factions have sold by now?

Guessing 5 million at least. I'll never believe Neil when he said it was too much for them to support. 100% bullshit. There's so.many Sony support studios.

At least helldivers 2 is good

 

[Topher]

How many concords would factions have sold by now?

Guessing 5 million at least. I'll never believe Neil when he said it was too much for them to support. 100% bullshit. There's so.many Sony support studios.

At least helldivers 2 is good

Canning Factions was the right choice. ND is a single player studio first and foremost. Should have just made multiplayer an additional mode rather than make it its own thing. Naughty Dog is not Bungie and never will be.

 

[Lunarorbit]

Canning Factions was the right choice. ND is a single player studio first and foremost. Should have just made multiplayer an additional mode rather than make it its own thing. Naughty Dog is not Bungie and never will be.

Just felt like it was already on the way production wise and they got nervous.