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Puzzle & Dragons |OT| Pokemon + Bejeweled + Dungeon RPG on iOS/Android
- Thread starter Cosmo Clock 21
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Okey, I can't describe my feelings right now :"|
5 runs, wasted 5 stones between bad 1st rounds & stamina refills, not a single drop.
This is just crazy, it's supposed to be 40% not 4% !!!
Donno, am just frustrated, might give it one last try tonight or I'll just push it till he shows up later :/
Edit: Finally T___T
8 runs
8 stones wasted
I don't wanna see that dungeon EVER again, been playing it nonstop for 5 hours
Feel your pain. Last time I wasted about 8 stones on Valkyrie and didn't even get the drop.
Mythical turns out to be easier than I imagined with a 1/4/4 mono blue team. Only spent 1 stone in the first stage due to a miscalculation but then I gained one back for clearing it. It just took forever.
I agree since he dropped
But not getting a drop would be harsh
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
2-stone Mythical Astaroth team. If we could just max skill Drawn Joker...Round 1 was a crap shoot. Cost me a stone. Goemon bound BOTH leaders, so my HP boost was completely gone. That cost me a stone. No matter what, I would have lost a stone regardless there.
But at least I got a second Goemon. For now, I'm holding him for awakening. If I can figure out a more efficient farm team, I'll start feeding for skillups.
I may see how quick I do Legend with this team. MUCH safer, so I could probably farm it. But the time investment is my only worry.
But at least I got a second Goemon. For now, I'm holding him for awakening. If I can figure out a more efficient farm team, I'll start feeding for skillups.
I may see how quick I do Legend with this team. MUCH safer, so I could probably farm it. But the time investment is my only worry.
MMBosstones86
Member
Maybe I don't understand this whole Awakening thing, but what is the point of holding onto some of these dupes? I thought you could only awaken a sub at his max evo level and that doesn't either by feeding one of those egg guys, or feeding the exact same sub.
So, you can't 'awaken' an Awoken (nice terminology guys...) Zeus with a normal Zeus, right? And you also can't 'awaken' a Zeus with a Zeus. Is that correct?
So, you can't 'awaken' an Awoken (nice terminology guys...) Zeus with a normal Zeus, right? And you also can't 'awaken' a Zeus with a Zeus. Is that correct?
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Right. The big benefit to holding onto some of these monsters for awakening is that you don't have to farm/hope for awakening mats. Given that it's 100%, once awakening hits, you can pretty much feed 2-4 of that monster (depending on the number of skills available), and jump directly into some crazy synergies. It may be a while, but I mean, I farmed 2 additional Satan's on Friday and will get at least 2-3 Goemon today. Why waste the Eggdra on monsters you can farm? I'd rather use them on stuff like my Br/GrOdin, Horus, #onetruegod, etc.
MMBosstones86
Member
I guess I get it long term, but then you need to lvl and evo your dupes to max, right?
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Awakening works on the same monster. So Ishikawa Goemon can not awaken Goemon, the Thief. In fact, only Goemon, the Thief has awakened skills. The same goes for Satan and Satan, King of the Underworld. You need the max evo of a monster (NOT the busty).
So Freyja the Goddess of Gaia can be awoken, Freyja cannot. Freyja, the Fertility Goddess can ALSO be awoken (by Freyja the Goddess of Gaia OR Eggdra).
To answer your question - yes, it costs some time and mats. But I'd still rather use Eggdra on someone I can't farm.
atlantaguy
Member
I know we don't know the drop rates yet, but I can't imagine 800k EXP and rare evo materials taking less time to get than one awakening egg.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Edit:
After thinking about it a bit a better implementation would be like this:
1. Monsters start out with only one or two Awoken skills and gain more with increasing evolution stages. For example, regular Valkyrie has none, Great Valk has HP+, Princess Valk has HP+ and Light Orb+, and Grace Valk has HP+, Light Orb+, and ATK+.
2. A monster can be awakened by feeding it another monster with the exact same order of skills up to the skill about to be awakened. From the previous example, Great Valk would be able to awaken the first skill (I'm going to refer to this as A1) for all successive evolutions, but not A2 as she does not have Light Orb+ as a second awakening.
3. A monster that's Awakening type (which so far is just Eggdra) will unlock the next stage of Awakening on feed without restriction.
The benefit of this system is that you don't have to sink stupidly large amounts of EXP into dupes just to make them eligible for Awakening. Your regular old Kagatsuchi could give A1 and A2 to any other Kaga, including both busty paths. If you want to give A3 or A4, though, you'll have to either evolve your dupe or use an Eggdra, which provides the diminishing returns model.
It also solves the completely stupid problem of busty evolutions being unable to be evolved by its unbustied (or even alternate element bustied) counterpart. You could have the fusion button glow like... blue or something if that feed would cause an awakening.
A consequence of this is that unrelated monsters can be used to awaken each other up to a certain point. For example, Caol-Ila, a farmable mob, has Dark Orb+ > Skill Boost. It would be able to give A1 to a shitton of monsters: Loki, Hades, and Haku, just going by my box. But none of those three monsters have Skill Boost on A2, so Caol-Ila wouldn't be able to awaken them any further. The other dark biweekly dragons, who all have the same progression of awakenings, would be good targets for A2. Then you'd just need to farm the boss rushes to get A3 onto the busty forms of the dark Legendary and Sky Dragons.
I tried this (with a Samurai Ogre/Ice Samurai Ogre. I'm not masochistic). It doesn't work.
Yes. It's dumb.
After thinking about it a bit a better implementation would be like this:
1. Monsters start out with only one or two Awoken skills and gain more with increasing evolution stages. For example, regular Valkyrie has none, Great Valk has HP+, Princess Valk has HP+ and Light Orb+, and Grace Valk has HP+, Light Orb+, and ATK+.
2. A monster can be awakened by feeding it another monster with the exact same order of skills up to the skill about to be awakened. From the previous example, Great Valk would be able to awaken the first skill (I'm going to refer to this as A1) for all successive evolutions, but not A2 as she does not have Light Orb+ as a second awakening.
3. A monster that's Awakening type (which so far is just Eggdra) will unlock the next stage of Awakening on feed without restriction.
The benefit of this system is that you don't have to sink stupidly large amounts of EXP into dupes just to make them eligible for Awakening. Your regular old Kagatsuchi could give A1 and A2 to any other Kaga, including both busty paths. If you want to give A3 or A4, though, you'll have to either evolve your dupe or use an Eggdra, which provides the diminishing returns model.
It also solves the completely stupid problem of busty evolutions being unable to be evolved by its unbustied (or even alternate element bustied) counterpart. You could have the fusion button glow like... blue or something if that feed would cause an awakening.
A consequence of this is that unrelated monsters can be used to awaken each other up to a certain point. For example, Caol-Ila, a farmable mob, has Dark Orb+ > Skill Boost. It would be able to give A1 to a shitton of monsters: Loki, Hades, and Haku, just going by my box. But none of those three monsters have Skill Boost on A2, so Caol-Ila wouldn't be able to awaken them any further. The other dark biweekly dragons, who all have the same progression of awakenings, would be good targets for A2. Then you'd just need to farm the boss rushes to get A3 onto the busty forms of the dark Legendary and Sky Dragons.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
You're right - the way it ACTUALLY goes:
1) You can only get an awakening skill by feeding the exact same monster (so Samurai Ogre awakens Samurai Ogre). No exceptions.
2) You can awaken Samurai Ogre to the max and then busty him. He will keep all awakenings. If you only did 1/2 awakenings prior to busty, you must either a) use an Eggdra or b) feed another busty ogre.
That was my bad - I misspoke.
We do have some idea of the drop rate from people who play the JP version. Seems like it'll in average take a couple dozen runs to get an egg to drop.
I'd save up all the pal eggs for when 6.0 hits and hope for the best.
For certain monsters its pretty much complete useless to awaken same level monster.
Take a valk for instance (or pretty much any heartbreaker). It takes 2 million exp to get her to a princess valk then you have 3 stages of evolve mats to get her to Rose Valk. Much easier and more efficient to just used eggdras.
Then you got super rare monster you want to keep extras of in case of multi branch ult evo.
Some monsters though like weekly dragons. Pretty much no evolve unless you ultimate evoed them so those you should using the same monster evo technique.
The Heras/Goemons/Zues/Healer Girl/Swordman are hard to tell. Easy to get and not too bad to level up.
Take a valk for instance (or pretty much any heartbreaker). It takes 2 million exp to get her to a princess valk then you have 3 stages of evolve mats to get her to Rose Valk. Much easier and more efficient to just used eggdras.
Then you got super rare monster you want to keep extras of in case of multi branch ult evo.
Some monsters though like weekly dragons. Pretty much no evolve unless you ultimate evoed them so those you should using the same monster evo technique.
The Heras/Goemons/Zues/Healer Girl/Swordman are hard to tell. Easy to get and not too bad to level up.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Welp, still not ready for Goemon. First attempt there were three wood ninjas which made it kind of impossible for a 1/4/4 team to bypass. Second attempt the game would not give me heart and water orbs.
Septimus Prime
Member
You might have just hit a bad draw. My Lucifer team actually got wiped last night on my second try (0-stoned first try, btw) on round 1, due to 4 green and one blue ninja hitting for 31k each turn.
Sometimes it just happens. =\
Dreamgazer
Member
Not having any shiva or orochi to complement my mono-blue team really sucks right now.
MMBosstones86
Member
one spot left. lvl 92 Gabe up today
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MMBosstones86
Member
Dragon dungeons (outside of Gold) really don't give more than 1000 consistently. Depends on your drops though, but even then I think i've only seen 1300 a few times.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Goemon skill level 2! Only way too many to go!
the_log_ride
Member
11 runs
5 drops
1 skill-up
This would go a lot faster if my Hera-Is was max skilled. -_- But my goal was just to score 1 skill-up today. Anything else after this is a bonus.
At least this team is safe as hell. Hopefully it'll be strong enough to tackle mythical one day.
5 drops
1 skill-up
This would go a lot faster if my Hera-Is was max skilled. -_- But my goal was just to score 1 skill-up today. Anything else after this is a bonus.
At least this team is safe as hell. Hopefully it'll be strong enough to tackle mythical one day.
MightGoThere
Member
Wasn't sure my Byakko team was ready for Goemon just yet but managed to 0-stone it this morning, no drop though.
Tried again just now... couldn't have been closer to 0-stone it again, but I got him!
Loving Byakko so far.
Tried again just now... couldn't have been closer to 0-stone it again, but I got him!
Loving Byakko so far.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
That's a fun team - what are your levels? And how do you deal with the high damage spike?
Great! I am very eager to get to the stone caves.
MightGoThere
Member
Byakko - 71
CDK - 45
RK
Siren - 35, Max Skill
Echidna - 69, Skill lvl 4(12 Turns)
Friend Byakko was max level +130 so that helped a ton I guess.
Stalled enough on turn 2 and 3 to use Echidna on Goemon which was enough to get the RK damage reduce up for Goemons first-turn counter.
There is just one single monster in my entire roster whom I have bothered to skill up; Mech Warrior Asgard. Too busy leveling everyone up to attempt acquiring specific monsters for skill leveling up purposes. Plus, the skill leveling being relegated to chance really turns me off to attempting such an endeavor.
MMBosstones86
Member
Heartbreakers and Siren are almost mandatory to skill up...to a lesser extent Enchilada. Lucky Poring tower takes care of most of them and gives solid xp as well.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Max skilled Echidna makes life SO much easier. I'd say she's one that earning your stripes on is worth it.
What are some easy/quick clears to farm Hera with? I really need some higher skilled gravities.
the_log_ride
Member
Been making good use of your angel today. Can you refresh it, my good man?
MMBosstones86
Member
running through Sky Dragons now, i'll put him up after this run
atlantaguy
Member
I farmed with a Goemon team awhile back, and now that you have Satan, it should be a little less risky. The most recent time I was using Horus with almost no risk. I plan on doing that again all day Wednesday, but I need to remember who I was using. I'm sure I posted it at some point though so I'll just search the thread.
Just read the Android Dragon is getting the Shiva Active skill. LOL Shiva.
Speaking of making a God worthless.
How would you guys rank the God groups?
For me
1. Chinese - Kirin is the new star and Byakko is also very good. The rest is kinda eh but you can still build off of them if need be.
2. Egyptian - Horus top tier and Ra is 2nd tier. Isis is OK if you start with her but kinda worthless later. Anubis is a really nice situational God with Lucifer while Bastet is pretty useless.
3. Archangel - Lucifer best in the game and the rest are all useful in 1/4/4 teams or can go with Greek 2 and make 2/4/2.
4. Greek 1 - Everyone one is a top tier Sub character except for Minerva.
5. Greek 2 - The tricolor ones have fantastic leader skills and active skills but have horrible stats. Reason why its so low is because as long as you have friends with them it doesn't matter if you have one.
6. Norse - They currently suck since they're easily replaced with start dragons but they're getting huge boost with the awoken skills plus the two turn power up has good synergy with 4/2/2 mono color teams.
7. Japanese - Orochi is a good sub and Sasuke is good too. Amu for starting but useless at the end. Hino for mindless grind dungeons but you really don't need that. Arguably the worst God in the game in Yomi.
8. Indian - Parvati is good if you can skill her up (which is REM only in the U.S). Shivas has its no defense thing but that's replace by a free dragon people got. The rest all pretty much meh. Its weird that the monster don't look bad on paper but when you start making teams, you find out other than Parvati and the Occasional destroy defense. You don't want to use any of them.
Speaking of making a God worthless.
How would you guys rank the God groups?
For me
1. Chinese - Kirin is the new star and Byakko is also very good. The rest is kinda eh but you can still build off of them if need be.
2. Egyptian - Horus top tier and Ra is 2nd tier. Isis is OK if you start with her but kinda worthless later. Anubis is a really nice situational God with Lucifer while Bastet is pretty useless.
3. Archangel - Lucifer best in the game and the rest are all useful in 1/4/4 teams or can go with Greek 2 and make 2/4/2.
4. Greek 1 - Everyone one is a top tier Sub character except for Minerva.
5. Greek 2 - The tricolor ones have fantastic leader skills and active skills but have horrible stats. Reason why its so low is because as long as you have friends with them it doesn't matter if you have one.
6. Norse - They currently suck since they're easily replaced with start dragons but they're getting huge boost with the awoken skills plus the two turn power up has good synergy with 4/2/2 mono color teams.
7. Japanese - Orochi is a good sub and Sasuke is good too. Amu for starting but useless at the end. Hino for mindless grind dungeons but you really don't need that. Arguably the worst God in the game in Yomi.
8. Indian - Parvati is good if you can skill her up (which is REM only in the U.S). Shivas has its no defense thing but that's replace by a free dragon people got. The rest all pretty much meh. Its weird that the monster don't look bad on paper but when you start making teams, you find out other than Parvati and the Occasional destroy defense. You don't want to use any of them.
the_log_ride
Member
Thanks man! If you put him up any more today, I'd be a happy panda.
Everything looks right except for Egyptian and Chinese. I would swap their positions.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Grats! He's quite a unique monster - evolve him and pump him up a bit for a pretty HP boost. If you were able to grab a Satan, you've already got 2 pretty clutch monsters for basic Goemon farming.
the_log_ride
Member
God skill ups are rough to get. Wish Gung Ho would do something similar for skill ups and make some special mobs that grant skill ups akin to these Eggdras.
TurbulentTurtle
Member
I'm going through the Wd. War Dragon dungeon right now and I'm wondering, how come all of my attacks are only doing 1 damage to the ninjas? What am I doing wrong?
This is because you are not surpassing their defense threshold:
http://puzzledragonx.com/en/mission.asp?m=479
Your attack points need to be higher than the defense of whichever monster you are targeting in order for full damage to occur. Otherwise the damage done will only be one point per attack.
MMBosstones86
Member
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Droiddragon coming back tomorrow in the US apparently. Pick one up if you don't have it / ate your first one because it's getting a busty evo in 6.0 with a functionally identical skill to Shiva's.
MMBosstones86
Member
2 Keeper runs...2 plus eggs.
Colored runs are better as they have more levels
edit : 3 for 3. woot.
Colored runs are better as they have more levels
edit : 3 for 3. woot.
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