witchedwiz
Member
for monored either gigas (standard) or gigas the great..
red giant gigas is good ONLY for goemon teams..
red has already a crappy rcv, so by using a -500 red giant gigas you're stuck with a pathetic low rcv
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for monored either gigas (standard) or gigas the great..
red giant gigas is good ONLY for goemon teams..
red has already a crappy rcv, so by using a -500 red giant gigas you're stuck with a pathetic low rcv
O.K. I figured as much, I have seen mono red users use Red Giant Gigas because they liked his HP.
@Tobe I would consider a gravity user, unless your that confident 12x atk every turn is enough on the boss, also need to be sure your HP is above 13,334 to tank the preemptive on floor 3.
@Tobe I would consider a gravity user, unless your that confident 12x atk every turn is enough on the boss, also need to be sure your HP is above 13,334 to tank the preemptive on floor 3.
I'm determined to find a team that can just avoid the first round. If I had 2 mobs with 6 skill cooldown awakenings you could theoretically blitz your way into round 3.
Have to figure that team out. I need Odin.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Tengu and BlOdin could do that.
Saw this on the pad forums:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXX-AgXeqDw
Edit: Uses skilled up Bastet, not sure if that's available in the US yet but it's not hard to sweep round 1.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
It uhh also uses two Blodins
the_log_ride
Member
My dumb ass thought Horus busty only needed 1 Angelit. I hate these materials so much. Makes me want to take a long break.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
I'm not bothering with Twinlits this time. I tried a few times and had bad luck with round 1 every time but one. So...Coin farming is more fun anyways, ha.
MMBosstones86
Member
I've got bad news for you....
yes. These twinlit materials are just brutal. Although, I'm impressed Gungho made a dungeon you can't path&decision you're way through.
On the other hand, it's such a troll dungeon.
the_log_ride
Member
Don't remind me. UGH.
MightGoThere
Member
Well, I mean, you're guaranteed to have some kind of damage multiplier on the first turn at least.
Wait is that a good thing ? seems to me if you don't have the right set up you're SOL with this dungeon. (more than usual)
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
This dungeon is easily the biggest dick move so far. I would love to see what GungHo considers to be "the team" to use that can reliably 0-stone without risk of orb trolling. You want to think they took some of this into consideration.
great for dtron teams, actually she is a monster, she aint a trophy. level her up.
After experimenting with a few more team combinations for twinlit this is what works for me the best:
Ra leaders, Echidna, Ultimate Orochi, Hera is, Green Odin
The first attack on the first level of the dungeon is make or break time. Kill 2 lits and you will make it to 4th stage no problem. Killing 1 lit is ok too but you have to rely on luck that the mythlits try to bind Odin instead of binding others and lowering firepower needed in taking out other lits. I have found this setup more reliable than a Zeus team. But I think for now I am done with this dungeon anyways now that I have acquired 2 twinlits needed for Ra Ultimate. Will tackle this dungeon again when the Ra ultimate debuts in the U.S.
Ra leaders, Echidna, Ultimate Orochi, Hera is, Green Odin
The first attack on the first level of the dungeon is make or break time. Kill 2 lits and you will make it to 4th stage no problem. Killing 1 lit is ok too but you have to rely on luck that the mythlits try to bind Odin instead of binding others and lowering firepower needed in taking out other lits. I have found this setup more reliable than a Zeus team. But I think for now I am done with this dungeon anyways now that I have acquired 2 twinlits needed for Ra Ultimate. Will tackle this dungeon again when the Ra ultimate debuts in the U.S.
MMBosstones86
Member
Well, I mean, you're guaranteed to have some kind of damage multiplier on the first turn at least.
You are. And then RNG gives you 1 to 2 light orbs. Or a complete lack of healing if you leave 2 mythlits alive
I didn't say it was a GOOD thing. It's just a dungeon that requires a 'perfect' team composition and requires a great deal of strategy.
Just about every other descend, you can put together your burst team and just face roll through (outside of orb trolling). This one is considerably more difficult.
Athena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPmRK0wWan0
twinlit @ J0dy77 maybe this is the team for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz0e6UlvOPU
google search of the japanese names typically bring in better results
https://www.google.com/search?q=赤龍喚...喚士・ソニア&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=vid
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
No Kush or Belial...Susano probably isn't a fair sub because 75% vs 50% isn't enough I don't think. And what purpose does Belial serve?
This team works amazingly well for Zeus! It helps to have everyone max skilled though so that you don't need to stall as long on floor two.
Swapping Persephone out for Echidina might be a little safer on floor four as well.
Red Sonia is such a great monster
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
That's a bit unlucky. No tama is normal, but no kings? Lame..
this is an absurd team with an absurd amount of tamas invested. there is no way in the us server that anybody has that team (unless youve spent at least 1k usd.)
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Not really - I have like 8 in my box that I have no real use for at the moment...That's after the 15-20 I've used?
MightGoThere
Member
Skill boost and orb change if needed.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Belial is counter...So skill boost it is! I wonder if it can be any devil with similar awakenings...
E: Maybe I'll level my Archdemon Luci. Still brings up the concern of not having a Kush.
MightGoThere
Member
Added effect in... 6.3? No idea about patch names in this game. Green orbs to fire, and you also got the row damage boost, awesome sub imo.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Wait, Belial gets am updated active? Counter + orb change?!
He got a buff along with Minerva and others that also got additional effect. So he counters and change green to red.
I think he used the counter in the end just in case he did not one shot angelit so he could kamikaze at least.
edit:beaten.
Zippedpinhead
Member
After two weeks of farming fire mech dragon it looks like I'm going to be coming up without the fire chaser. Fire mech dragon dungeon, this is the second time you've screwed me on drops (first time being a year ago). Maybe this time it won't take a year for you to return.
I hate this dungeon so much...
I hate this dungeon so much...
I'll put mine up for you.
The Twinlits team looks interesting but I don't have Belial or Kushinada (like nicoga3000, I do have Susano but I don't think his skill is strong enough). Now that I think about it though, Nebradisk could work for this team in place of Purple Stone Dragon and I could combine it with Susano. Not sure who I'd use in place of Belial though...maybe one of the Ogres for skill boosts.
This team works amazingly well for Zeus! It helps to have everyone max skilled though so that you don't need to stall as long on floor two.
Swapping Persephone out for Echidina might be a little safer on floor four as well.
Red Sonia is such a great monster
Surprised they aren't using Hera-Ur at all. She seems like the perfect pairing for Red Sonia. I don't have Venus though/but I'm assuming I could sub in P.E.K.K.A. unless she's serving another purpose besides healing from the Lucifer Canon.
I'll work on Sonia a bit/make her my new red monster focus.
Nice just had the perfect Twinlit run as my last one.
No stones.
Mythlit
Blue Double Orb
Tamadora
Light Twinlit
Overall went 2 of 4 for twinlits over the weekend.
All 2 of my loses are because of killing Round 1 too quickly and getting destroyed round 2. Each time it was cascades.
After round 1 though its easy.
No stones.
Mythlit
Blue Double Orb
Tamadora
Light Twinlit
Overall went 2 of 4 for twinlits over the weekend.
All 2 of my loses are because of killing Round 1 too quickly and getting destroyed round 2. Each time it was cascades.
After round 1 though its easy.
Starting to hit a wall with my 5★ Mei-mei team. I knew I'd get there eventually but I was hoping to make it to the next water dungeon so I could start farming stuff for my Plessie starter.
Just finished Tower of Giants and am in Fire Forest Nerva(?). The fire enemies are just killing my damage.
Here's my current set-up. I've only spent 5 stones on a pull so far (Cupid) so I'm pretty limited with what I have.
I stated this a while back as well but, it still really feels like the game has changed - not just the direction of the late-game dungeons. When I was playing 6 + months ago, it was pretty common to see healer units / mono-boost units appearing on friend lists. I could throw up a Siren, borrow a damage reducer, and go hit one of the dragon dungeons. I don't see any of that now. Maybe it's because I'm still only rank 19 and players only stay in this level range for a very short time, but it seems really stagnate. Maybe there are just fewer newer players in general?
Just finished Tower of Giants and am in Fire Forest Nerva(?). The fire enemies are just killing my damage.
Here's my current set-up. I've only spent 5 stones on a pull so far (Cupid) so I'm pretty limited with what I have.
I stated this a while back as well but, it still really feels like the game has changed - not just the direction of the late-game dungeons. When I was playing 6 + months ago, it was pretty common to see healer units / mono-boost units appearing on friend lists. I could throw up a Siren, borrow a damage reducer, and go hit one of the dragon dungeons. I don't see any of that now. Maybe it's because I'm still only rank 19 and players only stay in this level range for a very short time, but it seems really stagnate. Maybe there are just fewer newer players in general?
Hera-ur is overkill. You don't need that much damage. Think of the 2x light bonus as her.
The reason you may want an orb changer or delay is to survive the chimeras. That's 1.6million hp to get rid-of in most cases 1 turn.
Venus is there only for 'change the world' i want to make sure Zeus dies on the first turn. You could sub in anyone else you want
With Sonia's ability(and king baddie) you're looking at about ~4.5million worth of damage minimum
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
The game has irreversibly shifted towards favoring spike leaders.
Also JP has a new thing that apparently just started (I haven't paid attention to JP scheduling for a week since I've just been farming COSITA for mystic knights all week) where guerilla dungeons can now happen on XX:30 instead of on the hour. Weird.
How do you all feel about that in general. I mean, it's pretty clear that P&D is still raking in crazy amounts of cash, but do you feel like the game is on the decline? I know GH is trying to get other games out there while the going is good. I tried Divine Gate (which is done by Gung Ho and Acquire, GH's subsidiary company) and it just didn't seem to have the same appeal. Maybe I didn't go far enough into the game, but it just seems a lot shallower than P&D.
Yeah. No Odin for me on any account ever. Really want green.
That team is well out of my reach and no chance I'm max skilling a big baddie.
I still thoroughly enjoy the game. As broken as the overall mechanics can be, gung-ho does an amazing job with the dungeons. Each one is extremely well balanced and they do find ways to make them feel different/challenging. Those big descended victories are what keep me playing. The change to spike has mostly been for the better but we've said before they need more for long term success.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Well spike teams in general are more skill testing than HP/RCV boosting teams, which plays well to the Puzzle part of P&D.
In general though it's a consequence of the inflationary power creep. If you've noticed, every time GungHo accidentally makes an OP monster (Horus, Lucifer), they raise the baseline difficulty to keep people spending stones on their dungeons. They can't balance the monsters by nerfing them either, because the whales who threw thousands of dollars to +297/maxSL/(*) the monster are going to get pissed.
P&D has started to run out of steam in Japan; their new user acquisition rate has slowed (the X million user celebration events are getting spaced farther and farther apart) and the amount of money they make month over month has reversed direction. I think outside of Japan they are growing but still fail to break the Top 10 unless a Godfest is going on.
I think as players tire of PAD they'll try out other F2P games, but the issue with most of the ones I've played is that they are either shit from a fundamental gameplay perspective or they aggresively push IAP onto the player. So instead of playing another F2P game the userbase will just exit the market altogether.
In general though it's a consequence of the inflationary power creep. If you've noticed, every time GungHo accidentally makes an OP monster (Horus, Lucifer), they raise the baseline difficulty to keep people spending stones on their dungeons. They can't balance the monsters by nerfing them either, because the whales who threw thousands of dollars to +297/maxSL/(*) the monster are going to get pissed.
P&D has started to run out of steam in Japan; their new user acquisition rate has slowed (the X million user celebration events are getting spaced farther and farther apart) and the amount of money they make month over month has reversed direction. I think outside of Japan they are growing but still fail to break the Top 10 unless a Godfest is going on.
I think as players tire of PAD they'll try out other F2P games, but the issue with most of the ones I've played is that they are either shit from a fundamental gameplay perspective or they aggresively push IAP onto the player. So instead of playing another F2P game the userbase will just exit the market altogether.
Their biggest mistake was Lucifer.
Horus while the highest spike didn't have enough damage to wipe out a majority of the tougher descends. Ra while powerful still took skill and can be trolled.
When Lucifer came out it was a a skill less insta win button.
To counter Lucifer it lead to the power creep and the death of any team that's not spike teams since the only way to counter Luci is to take out all defense/stall teams.
Now every descend is kill or be killed.
I put up my max lvl Zeus Olympios. We are already friends, I'm Static@GAF.
Oh ok thanks. And yes he was my only 0-stone run as well. Hopefully you are my lucky charm