for those don't know, he's the designer/director of the longest journey..
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Ragnar Tornquist speaks on x360
- Thread starter thorns
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It's really just the difference between the software company(MS) and the hardware company(Sony) making itself felt. With everything else being equal developers will always prefer the programming environment which is easier to use and has more support.
Of course everything else isn't equal so we'll see how it plays out. Plus developers don't have much say in the industry anyway. But really as a Comp Sci graduate I kinda like MS approach better myself.
Of course everything else isn't equal so we'll see how it plays out. Plus developers don't have much say in the industry anyway. But really as a Comp Sci graduate I kinda like MS approach better myself.
Lazy vs Crazy
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"content focused"
What does that even mean in this context? They like making good games instead of fluff?
What does that even mean in this context? They like making good games instead of fluff?
Lazy vs Crazy
Member
I'm relatively sure it is just Tornquist spewing smoke and buzzwords.
Though I suppose Microsoft is a bit more "content focused" than say Sony for example, who had that whole episode last year (two years ago?) where they wouldn't let 2d games get released in the US nomatter how good the gameplay was, because they made the PS@ look "inferior visually" or something. I think they've backed off of that, however, so maybe I'm way off base here. But it is an explanation that almost makes sense. I guess.
Though I suppose Microsoft is a bit more "content focused" than say Sony for example, who had that whole episode last year (two years ago?) where they wouldn't let 2d games get released in the US nomatter how good the gameplay was, because they made the PS@ look "inferior visually" or something. I think they've backed off of that, however, so maybe I'm way off base here. But it is an explanation that almost makes sense. I guess.
I'm pretty sure 'content focused' means focused on games.
Now to avoid debates on how Sony is focused on games as well. I think this should be taken from his point of view as a small developer making a pretty niche title.
If he sees Microsoft running around demoing tools, providing documentation and ending it off with 'hey if you have any questions at all, shoot us an email and we will get back to ya' while the only thing he's seen from Sony is the initial revelation on Cell then of course from his prespective MS is going to seem way more focused on games.
Now to avoid debates on how Sony is focused on games as well. I think this should be taken from his point of view as a small developer making a pretty niche title.
If he sees Microsoft running around demoing tools, providing documentation and ending it off with 'hey if you have any questions at all, shoot us an email and we will get back to ya' while the only thing he's seen from Sony is the initial revelation on Cell then of course from his prespective MS is going to seem way more focused on games.
AB 101 said:The guy could have saved alot of typing by just saying that MS moneyhats are bigger than Sony ones.
Much fewer words.
so everytime someone says something positive about MS it has to be about moneyhats? the guy has no relation to MS and is not working on any projects funded by MS (as far as I know anyway). Maybe he indeed had a positive experience working with them compared to Sony.
As 360 gets closer to its "go live" date, current activities are ramping up in anticipation of the release. MS are creating benchmarks for quality and key performance indicators for after the "go live" date. MS's strategies for marketplace leadership include being focused on content, as well as other opportunities not yet disclosed.Lazy vs Crazy said:
Does that answer your question?
Duckhuntdog
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A PC developer loves the Xbox/360. Imagine that.
AirBrian said:As 360 gets closer to its "go live" date, current activities are ramping up in anticipation of the release. MS are creating benchmarks for quality and key performance indicators for after the "go live" date. MS's strategies for marketplace leadership include being focused on content, as well as other opportunities not yet disclosed.
Does that answer your question?
i think this just made everything five thousand times funnier, considering its competition
midnightguy
Member
Duckhuntdog said:
only this time, unlike Xbox, the Xbox360 isnt a PC :}
No, AB's comment is obviously off base if it isn't strictly sarcastic. By the same token, Tornquist's comment isn't exactly evenhanded since it fails to acknowledge timeline differences between Xbox360 and PS3 rollout that may account for the different focuses at this time. Note that he doesn't actually say he's been privy to PS3 details like he has to the "'nextbox' for a while", yet compares them anyway.thorns said:
Ghost of Bill Gates
Banned
And PS3 engine isnt? :lolDuckhuntdog said:
It has just as much or more PC parts than Xbox2.
Man, the trolls are abundant these days.
For those that either lack vision or cover their eyes, in the words of our favorite speaker:
"DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!"
MS is taking the route they know best. Software. They are obviously focusing on providing people with the best tools to ease development and minimize cost.
"CONTENT!"
"What is that? Trolls coming!?"
"OH NO! I don't think so, fools!"
"Big ZERO for you!"
For those that either lack vision or cover their eyes, in the words of our favorite speaker:
"DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!"
MS is taking the route they know best. Software. They are obviously focusing on providing people with the best tools to ease development and minimize cost.
"CONTENT!"
"What is that? Trolls coming!?"
"OH NO! I don't think so, fools!"
"Big ZERO for you!"
Sure kaching. But the comment is more interesting if you take it as a comparision between the 'MS guys' and 'Sony guys' instead of a comparision between 'Xbox 360' and 'PS3'. In that case timeline isn't much of a factor. Of course the assumption is that he's been involved with PS2 development so he has had contact with 'The Sony guys'.
Edit: and even if you take it as a pure PS3 to 360 comparision, the comment is still interesting as MS has jumped out of the gates in a big way in PR with the developer community for their next console. Will Sony respond in some way? Will they continue with business as usual?
Well, they all have done it at some point or another.
Its just easier to pick on MS though.
They are not at the point of being able to be real cocky IMO. GAtes Nintendo comments were unwarranted (yes, I saw the other thread).
Sony can be. They dominated this cycles, as well as the last, something MS could not do their 1st time around.
They are obviously in a desparate state, feeling the need to launch first.
Hey, all the best to them. I will probably grab one to.
But then, I am a hardware junkie.
Dreamfall will be playable at E3 ... not on Funcom booth
You guys are harsh, Ragnar had to wait years to have dreamfall approved (from no, to a mmorpg (the war of the balance) to yes), at a time he thought about leaving this industry; of course he is happy when he finally get some help from someone. And read his blog dammit, he play games on all platforms.
You guys are harsh, Ragnar had to wait years to have dreamfall approved (from no, to a mmorpg (the war of the balance) to yes), at a time he thought about leaving this industry; of course he is happy when he finally get some help from someone. And read his blog dammit, he play games on all platforms.
Excelion said:Dreamfall will be playable at E3 ... not on Funcom booth
You guys are harsh, Ragnar had to wait years to have dreamfall approved (from no, to a mmorpg (the war of the balance) to yes), at a time he thought about leaving this industry; of course he is happy when he finally get some help from someone. And read his blog dammit, he play games on all platforms.
dreamfall is being released for xbox 1 and pc, or has anything changed in that regard? i'm quite excited about it, since tlj is one of my favorite games.. I really hope they managed to sign with a major publisher and that it will get more attention than the previous game got.
CrimsonSkies
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Of course if the guy had said something negative about Microsoft and pro Sony he would be praised for his rational thinking in a 300 post thread. :lol
I believe the part about the Microsoft reps being more friendly and accessible than the ones from Sony. Both managers at my local EB Games have said the same thing. They said when they go to gaming and retail conventions, the Sony reps all act like their shit doesn't stink and that everyone should be bowing at their feet.
Catchpenny
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Duckhuntdog said:
So if comments from PC developers seem status quo so far (overwhelmingly pro-Microsoft) and Japanese talent like Sakaguchi and Mizuguchi are developing for 360, what does that tell you?
It will be rather damning if Sony can't get more support from PC developers this time around. Granted, Microsoft has excellent relationships with much of that community, and XNA sounds like it has been a very effective pre-emptive strike. Still, Sony should be able to convince developers that the PS3 will be more capable of handling PC ports later in its lifespan. We'll see.
SolidSnakex
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CrimsonSkies said:
And Xbox fans would be saying he doesn't know what he's talking about. We've been through this a dozen times.
Oh sure...NOW you agree that the larger context is relevant when it suits your argumentAzih said:
But that's okay, at least you came around. And I agree that the larger context is important, but the smaller context of Ragnar's comments related to the PS3 and Xbox360, what he says and doesn't say, informs the state of the larger context of his relationship with Sony and MS. AFAIK, all of Ragnar's projects to this point have been for Windows PC so we know he should already have at least a few years of experience with MS dev support and he's clearly got the scoop on X360 but, for all we know, with no explicit development history on Playstation platforms, he could be just getting in on the ground floor with Sony, if his development studio has even expressed interest in getting involved with Sony next gen.
MS managed similar quotes from, unsurprisingly, Windows PC developers with little or no experience outside of that platform last time around as well. It's not a bad thing by any means for MS, but it doesn't really say much about the state of things on Sony's side.
Crankenstein
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m0dus said:
You forgot emporer Yamauchi!
Dude you're confusing me here watchoo talking about? I was always talking about company level comparisions in this thread, not console level ones.kaching said:Oh sure...NOW you agree that the larger context is relevant when it suits your argument
Sure but the situation is different now to some degree as MS is an established competitor instead of a bumbling neophyte. I was just wondering if Sony sees Microsoft's whoring to developers of all sizes as something to be concenred about or not.