I hope this devastates the guy more, look what your actions did, you fucked over a childhood friend, fucked her band over, she's probably gonna get kicked out of the band and the band's name has forever been tarnished, that's 3 more women his actions have completely ruined.
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Rapist gets 6 months because prison sentence would have a severe impact on him
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I hope this devastates the guy more, look what your actions did, you fucked over a childhood friend, fucked her band over, she's probably gonna get kicked out of the band and the band's name has forever been tarnished, that's 3 more women his actions have completely ruined.
FreedomFighter
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Un-fucking-believeable.
Good. I feel sorry for the other two sisters but fuck that. And you would think a girl band would empathize with the victim, no?
vs
With the exception of Pokemon and Brock Peters, a simple search for 'Brock' yields all white guys.
Darryl M R
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Nah don't feel sorry for them. You really think those sisters don't share similar points of views? Hell the other 2 could have spoken out in disagreement while still saying they are being respectful to their other sister's opinion.
They are all in the same sphere of influence and yet two out of the three remained quiet when the sister pulled this stunt? Silence is an action.
FreedomFighter
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Where the link to her letter? I missed it if it was posted in the thread. I've only seen links to Rapist Brock father's letter and the victims letter.
Can't really make that assumption. We know the drummer girl defended the guy but we don't know where the other two stand or who even knows if they knew the guy as well or knew drummer girl wrote the letter. Just saying, not applying one's view to others, I don't know what they think. They might be totally kicking drummer girl's ass right now for losing them tour bookings and revenue.
HawksWinStanley
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It's cases like this that remind me why I regard Gary Plauche as a hero.
crooked spin
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You can read Leslie's full statement to the judge here: http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/brock-turners-friend-pens-letter-of-support.html
The wrinkle to this is that a lot of crimes aren't successfully prosecuted. So for a punishment to be "preventative", there's an expected value issue: i.e. the punishment needs to be harsh enough to discourage an action even if the potential perpetrator reasonably expects not to be caught.
Of course, we could solve this expected value problem from the other side, and successfully prosecute everyone who commits the crime. Certainly rape (especially "date rape" or situations like this where some observer like in the letter above might refer to it as not "real" rape) is a bad situation where rapists are both unlikely to be prosecuted successfully *and also* are unlikely to face severe punishments. So the penal code is probably doing a terrible job of discouraging rape.
It's linked in the first paragraph of the story you quoted. But it's also here: http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/brock-turners-friend-pens-letter-of-support.html
Darryl M R
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Being silent is still an action. If I am 33% of the face of an organization and another co-owner is saying something that I disagree with and that I think is disgusting I will speak up to let others know that not everyone in the organization thinks like that.
Gotdatmoney
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There is nothing to say they even knew a letter was written and sent. Actions have consequences that affect other people so I am not shedding mad tears or anything for them but that is entirely different than the assumption they were in on it and agreed. We don't know that. No point assuming.
And despite silence being an action in this case there is about a dozen reasons I can think of as to why the stfu and didmt say anything.
FreedomFighter
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Thanks.
That is a terrible letter. It's the same "they're just drunk and having conceptual sex" trope everyone uses to minimize sexual assault. It's disgusting.
Yeah, I noticed. I hadn't scrolled down the whole way.
FreedomFighter
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Their shows just got cancelled. Let's see what they do. Even if they don't condone or cosign what drummer girl wrote in the letter, they're still in a tough position given that she is their sister.
lightskintwin
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Regardless of the outrage, I do think the majority of people would think there's a distinction between the two, and still agree the sentencing was too lenient. As fucked up as it sounds, that sex behind a dumpster sounds like some toxic masculine Frat or College Bro ritual. Which segueways into a broader issue that's not discussed nearly enough which is rampant on college campuses, clubs, house parties, social get togethers all over where drugs and alcohol are encouraged. And that's the sexual behavior that occurs between either one or two self drug induced mentally impaired people, the line between consent and no consent get's real murky. I've partied for over 20 years, and have been witness to such questionable situations ALL THE TIME.
shoplifter
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HP_Wuvcraft
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I would not be surprised if his family and/or friends and/or defense team tries to use this as a talking point for why we all should shut up.
Not at all.
I'm sure an analysis of sentencing of convicted rapists would be alarming enough. I don't think it helps to include non-indictments and acquittals in these numbers. At least for making a point about sentencing being too lenient.
Hellwarden
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Just when you think this story can't bottom out, nope, it keeps going deeper.
Whole situation is fucked up.
Whole situation is fucked up.
Mental Atrophy
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This lines up with most violent crime. There is an important difference, though. Only 3% go to trial, because a plea bargain is reached or acquittal or charges are dropped. I can accept that reality, and I certainly don't want somebody who isn't deemed guilty to have any sort of jail time. What would be more telling is how this guy stacks up against other jury convictions.
Man, I've seen murderers get kinder reactions on facebook than this guy.
"Everyone read this. Everyone learn of Brock Turner - memorize his face and name - and be sure that he never gets a job, a car, a house, a loan, or his favorite fucking snacks."
Quote from my feed. I can't say anything of course because I'd get blacklisted from society, but really? He should never have a job or a car again? Wouldn't it be easier to just kill him then?
"Everyone read this. Everyone learn of Brock Turner - memorize his face and name - and be sure that he never gets a job, a car, a house, a loan, or his favorite fucking snacks."
Quote from my feed. I can't say anything of course because I'd get blacklisted from society, but really? He should never have a job or a car again? Wouldn't it be easier to just kill him then?
FreedomFighter
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NealMcCauley
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Well the drummer girl doubled down on the "don't judge him, it was the alcohol" defense.
http://www.avclub.com/article/rock-trio-pulled-festival-lineup-drummers-support--237879
https://m.facebook.com/goodenglishb...lled-festival-lineup-drummers-support--237879
http://www.avclub.com/article/rock-trio-pulled-festival-lineup-drummers-support--237879
https://m.facebook.com/goodenglishb...lled-festival-lineup-drummers-support--237879
fucking lol. Get the fuck outta here Leslie. Unreal.
HP_Wuvcraft
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There's a comment on Kotaku about how we shouldn't forget that it was brave men that stopped this rape. That these men are heroes to the patriarchy.
Like wtf.
..... did she seriously write "I believe he was rightfully convicted of rape" right after she had gone ON RECORD as saying that not all those who rape are rapists?
Like wtf.
..... did she seriously write "I believe he was rightfully convicted of rape" right after she had gone ON RECORD as saying that not all those who rape are rapists?
And? He should be killed for it or what? I believe he should get a much longer jail sentence but wanting his life to effectively end helps nobody. This is the mentality that gave us the death penalty and 3 strikes laws.
I have read it. He should be jailed and hopefully get counseling or whatever to become a real human being, but it's nuts to want to put him on a horse and slap it in the direction of a big desert.
freeofgreed
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This is exactly why I always roll my eyes whenever people talk about "PC culture gone amok". People literally using that shit defend rape now.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why are you taking opinions to ridiculous conclusions?
This dude's a piece a shit and everyone knows now. That's how media works. They report news, and people then know things. If people don't want to give this pile of garbage his favorite snacks if he's seen in person, that's exercising their freedoms. If you want to have his back, feel free.
"20 minutes of action" this shit has me HEATED
SolidSnakex
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Well, that Facebook post is gone as is the entire Good English band Facebook page. Not that it's surprising as it was clear that she still didn't get it. She talks about being asked to write a character witness for this rapist, but somehow her character witness had to include commentary of the victim. And the new post is still making excuses. And the "apology" only came after her band started getting gigs cancelled.
shattyboombatty
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What the fuck am I reading? Rapists are EXACTLY who rape... that is the definition.
Yeah, this is PC issue... What does she expect the girl to say? Oh I'm sorry for being so sensitive that a felony was committed against me, because that's annoying to you, that means the felony wasn't committed. Ok.
shattyboombatty
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Vigilante justice is a slippery slope, but yeah... I don't know what I'd have done, but I can understand why he did what he did.
kame-sennin
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You're an awful person and so is the shitlord who wrote that quote.
AtomskEater
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The facebook page is so gone I can't even see the screengrab of it in the article. Now I'm really curious what stunning things she had to say.
NealMcCauley
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Jesus, the other two members must be ready to kick her out.
In a nutshell she displayed as much intelligence on the subject as Donald Trump on judges of Mexican heritage.
Morrigan Stark
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You know the complaining about PCness has become so utterly meaningless when it's now applied to when people call rapists, rapists...
FreedomFighter
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SolidSnakex
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FreedomFighter
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Wow. So basically, tl:dr would be:
"I know that Brock Turner was tried and rightfully convicted of sexual assault"...BUT: "the effect that alcohol played in this tragedy"... "alcohol misuse"... "binge drinking"... "misuse and abuse of alcohol"...
She just doesn't get it. Her sisters know what they have to do.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Wouldn't be surprised if his dad tried to buy his son off the list.
Keyword being try
That'd be throwing a bucket of oil on a fire.
Why are issues of consent so hard for people to grasp? The definition is basically standardised across all sorts of consent. Medical, legal, sexual, whatever.
If you get blackout drunk and wake up with no kidneys and a contract placing you into indentured servitude nobody would throw you under the bus this hard. Oh who am I kidding they would but they'd be just as wrong.
If you get blackout drunk and wake up with no kidneys and a contract placing you into indentured servitude nobody would throw you under the bus this hard. Oh who am I kidding they would but they'd be just as wrong.
Mega Caprison
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nah if he wait 3-5 years, when situation are cool off
people tend to forget
just emasculated that dude already
he'll learn his lesson, no doubt
17 Seconds
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It is a battle worth fighting. What this person did and is still doing makes me sick to my core. But mob justice based on emotional outrage is no justice at all. This case is being handled to lightly.
But research should be continuously done on the best methodology into reducing crimes. If that involves education and rehab in and out of prison, I'm for it if it helps reduce the number of these crimes and therefore the number of victims that have to experience this.
Mental Atrophy
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I think it says a lot about a society that shows compassion to the worst of us.
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