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[clarky]

LOL in a world where the 8bitdo Ultimate 2C for 15$ exist

No back paddles no buy.

This is the closest thing to a perfect controller I've found for me personally and I used a fair few. I you can find me one with all the features of this with the same build quality then I'm all ears.

 

[OverHeat]

 

[DirtInUrEye]

LOL in a world where the 8bitdo Ultimate 2C for 15$ exist

Ha! I picked one up myself last week, straight from AliExpress for £16.92, I'm well happy with. I have a bit of a controller buying addiction tbh, and whilst I am ultra particular, I am still always looking for gem buys, as well as being happy to spend more for quality. My main online shooter gamepad is the Elite 2, but this new Gamesir 2C is an excellent budget buy which I'm now maining with Elden Ring and probably the other single player stuff I'll play after. But if my Elite 2 develops a fault (again), I will have no qualms with using the GameSir with BF6 and other multiplayer stuff. It's an absolute bargain for what you get.

Note the paddle buttons have been resituated under the bumpers instead. They're good for normally fiddly item selection and spell casting.

 

[The Cockatrice]

This. It's the same with fps. No normal human will feel the difference in anything above 30fps.

Oh you poor thing. Someday you'll learn.

 

[hinch7]

Ha! I picked one up myself last week, straight from AliExpress for £16.92, I'm well happy with. I have a bit of a controller buying addiction tbh, and whilst I am ultra particular, I am still always looking for gem buys, as well as being happy to spend more for quality. My main online shooter gamepad is the Elite 2, but this new Gamesir 2C is an excellent budget buy which I'm now maining with Elden Ring and probably the other single player stuff I'll play after. But if my Elite 2 develops a fault (again), I will have no qualms with using the GameSir with BF6 and other multiplayer stuff. It's an absolute bargain for what you get.

Note the paddle buttons have been resituated under the bumpers instead. They're good for normally fiddly item selection and spell casting.

That's the the 8Bitdo Ultimate 2C. Not Gamesir.

If you want something new and quality to replace your Elite 2 you can find the Ultimate 2 or a more classic design with Pro 3. Both of which comes with TMR, back buttons and hair trigger toggle (makes triggers into buttons instead of analogue). Should be able to get around £28-40'ish depending on sale and if you stack on coin discounts.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

That's the the 8Bitdo Ultimate 2C. Not Gamesir.

If you want something new and quality to replace your Elite 2 you can find the Ultimate 2 or a more classic design with Pro 3. Both of which comes with TMR and hair trigger toggle (makes triggers into buttons instead of analogue). Should be able to get around £28-40 depending on sale and if you stack on coins discounts.

Oh shit yeah, my mistake. It's because I have GameSir pads as well, which I also swear by. Even their entry level ones are solid. This 8Bitdo is my second one of theirs, and I got it purely because I liked the idea of the programmable extra inputs on the shoulder of the controller. The other one I have is the Pro 2, which is in a drawer because I found the layout too uncomfortable and the sticks on the stiff side.

 

[hinch7]

Oh shit yeah, my mistake. It's because I have GameSir pads as well, which I also swear by. Even their entry level ones are solid. This 8Bitdo is my second one of theirs, and I got it purely because I liked the idea of the programmable extra inputs on the shoulder of the controller. The other one I have is the Pro 2, which is in a drawer because I found the layout too uncomfortable and the sticks on the stiff side.

I have a collection issue but with mice instead lol. Nice yeah I've heard good things about GameSir.. not got around to trying any but 8bitdo haven't let me down yet in terms of quality. The I have both Ultimate 2.4ghz and the second gen and both have been solid. Was going to try the Pro 2 or even 3 but yeah looks a little too boxy in design. If only they copied the DS4 design and tightened up the D-pad that would be going towards my perfect controller.

 

[BeardSpike]

Oh shit yeah, my mistake. It's because I have GameSir pads as well, which I also swear by. Even their entry level ones are solid. This 8Bitdo is my second one of theirs, and I got it purely because I liked the idea of the programmable extra inputs on the shoulder of the controller. The other one I have is the Pro 2, which is in a drawer because I found the layout too uncomfortable and the sticks on the stiff side.

I have GameSir G7 Pro and it's awesome controller in it's price range . Definitely a better pick than Elite 2.

Best budget controller is currently GuliKit ES Pro, TMR sticks, fairly good build. 750Hz polling rate over Bluetooth, 1000Hz polling rate over wired, lowest latency on the market, lower than V3 Pro 8K. But it doesn't have back buttons.

 

[Superbean]

I got one. It's better than the elite v2 imo, mine had the awful double click issue on r1 so rip that controller. My only complaint is games don't "just work" like with my elite. Ie Mafia old country I had to enable steam input as it just wouldn't recognize it, FFXIV I have to manually select the correct listing (there's like four for some reason)

 

[analog_future]

I'm a bit of a controller addict, I won't lie.

I've tried:

• Xbox Elite V2 - High quality materials, excellent paddles, great charging case. Really poor reliability, too heavy, no Hall/TMR sticks
• DualSense Edge - An engineering marvel, feels good in the hands. Absolutely terrible battery life, the replacement stick modules are a dumb idea when Hall/TMR are right there, and it's coolest features (haptic feedback/adaptive triggers/etc..) don't work well on PC
• 8BitDo Ultimate/Ultimate 2 - Really nice controller. I have few complaints about it other than that it should have 4 rear paddles/buttons instead of two, the power LED Is way too freaking bright, and (this was my dealbreaker) it's unfortunately super uncomfortable for someone with large hands like me
• Gamesir SuperNova - Ergonomically it's very nice, and the price is excellent.. But my god this controller feels cheap in the hands. It's still a good value but if you're looking for something with a premium feel, this ain't it
• FlyDigi Vader 4 Pro - This is my currently controller. It's excellent overall, but 2 of the 4 rear buttons are more or less useless with how you have to position your fingers to activate them, it's cool that the sticks have adjustable tension but the actual grips on the sticks feel cheap and like they'll break down quickly, and the actual quality of materials is just okay; better than GameSir but worse than 8BitDo. Aesthetically it's also too gamery for my tastes
• Haven't tried Gullikit because all I hear about their products is how terrible their reliability is. Even worse than the Elite V2.

Next one I'm trying is the Razer. I couldn't justify $200 but $140 brand new? Hell yeah. Really excited for it and hope it provides what I'm looking for.

 

[FukuDaruma]

looks quite nice and has the elite style back paddles. I might pick one up at that price.

We'll have to disagree on the V3. The buttons are the best I've ever used on a pad. Maybe eat your greens if you find them hard to press.

I said hardER to press. What they are trying to pass as an awesome new feature didn't feel like it to me at all, they weren't as fast/comfortable to use as the Elite or KK3.

Also no cancer so far.


Edit: Looking at the user reviews seems like your too good to be true controller is just that: its got reliability issues as reported around 40% of the user base. Pass. Not swapping one unreliable piece of shit (Elite) for another one thanks.

Link to Amazon UK reviews

Because Razer sure is 'realiable':

Just check out Reddit to see the hundreds of customers talking about its 'reliability' and how fine their hardware and software is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/

I'm not talking out of my ass here. I have a Kraken V3 Pro, a Freyja haptic cushion and purchased and tested a Wolverine V3 (which I returned).
Razer is, for many reasons well known to many people, one of the worst brands there is. They flash 'cool' features but the reality is that in the end their hardware is crappy, their software (which they force on the user) is cancer inducing and their customer support are just excuse-bots with a standard script.

Back to the controller itself, just the 2 back buttons of the Wolverine are crap, compared to both the Elite and the KK3 4 paddles, which you can even customize in many ways to fit your preferences.

I was also amazed at how bad and muffled the vibration is, compared to the Elite and even the much cheaper KK3.

At $260 the Wolverine is outrageously overpriced. You could be purchasing a KK3 every year for 4 years straight and still save money... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

looks quite nice and has the elite style back paddles. I might pick one up at that price.

We'll have to disagree on the V3. The buttons are the best I've ever used on a pad. Maybe eat your greens if you find them hard to press.

Also no cancer so far.


Edit: Looking at the user reviews seems like your too good to be true controller is just that: its got reliability issues as reported around 40% of the user base. Pass. Not swapping one unreliable piece of shit (Elite) for another one thanks.

Link to Amazon UK reviews

Micro switch ftw

 

[Sentenza]

I can't honestly comment on the CURRENT state of Razer peripherals, but I'll say this.
I used to like them from an ergonomic standpoint (the old Lachesis mouse was ideal for me as a left-handed player) but in the end I stopped to buy them because the construction quality was ABYSMAL and they always broke down in few months.
I wonder if things changed recently.

 

[clarky]

Oh you poor thing. Someday you'll learn.

I said hardER to press. What they are trying to pass as an awesome new feature didn't feel like it to me at all, they weren't as fast/comfortable to use as the Elite or KK3.



Because Razer sure is 'realiable':

Just check out Reddit to see the hundreds of customers talking about its 'reliability' and how fine their hardware and software is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/

I'm not talking out of my ass here. I have a Kraken V3 Pro, a Freyja haptic cushion and purchased and tested a Wolverine V3 (which I returned).
Razer is, for many reasons well known to many people, one of the worst brands there is. They flash 'cool' features but the reality is that in the end their hardware is crappy, their software (which they force on the user) is cancer inducing and their customer support are just excuse-bots with a standard script.

Back to the controller itself, just the 2 back buttons of the Wolverine are crap, compared to both the Elite and the KK3 4 paddles, which you can even customize in many ways to fit your preferences.

I was also amazed at how bad and muffled the vibration is, compared to the Elite and even the much cheaper KK3.

At $260 the Wolverine is outrageously overpriced. You could be purchasing a KK3 every year for 4 years straight and still save money... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

why are you linking reviews to different razer products?

You recommended a controller that i was about to purchase until I saw the user reviews.

The posters in this thread that own the V3 have nothing but good things to say about it.

 

[clarky]

I said hardER to press. What they are trying to pass as an awesome new feature didn't feel like it to me at all, they weren't as fast/comfortable to use as the Elite or KK3.



Because Razer sure is 'realiable':

Just check out Reddit to see the hundreds of customers talking about its 'reliability' and how fine their hardware and software is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/

I'm not talking out of my ass here. I have a Kraken V3 Pro, a Freyja haptic cushion and purchased and tested a Wolverine V3 (which I returned).
Razer is, for many reasons well known to many people, one of the worst brands there is. They flash 'cool' features but the reality is that in the end their hardware is crappy, their software (which they force on the user) is cancer inducing and their customer support are just excuse-bots with a standard script.

Back to the controller itself, just the 2 back buttons of the Wolverine are crap, compared to both the Elite and the KK3 4 paddles, which you can even customize in many ways to fit your preferences.

I was also amazed at how bad and muffled the vibration is, compared to the Elite and even the much cheaper KK3.

At $260 the Wolverine is outrageously overpriced. You could be purchasing a KK3 every year for 4 years straight and still save money... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We are not talking about the same controller obviously. The V3 pro has 4 back paddles (fully customisable) and no vibration at all.

As for reliability who knows? It only got released a month ago. Like I said earlier i the thread I've owned a fair few Razer products over the years and the only issue was one laptop with battery bloat. If this breaks within a year or two I'll look for something else, just not the one you recommended unfortunately as i dont want to be buying one every 6 months.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Wait, people like 3rd party controllers now? I've been using the wired 360 controller for my pc. Is there a better controller than that and the DualSense if you don't care to use back paddles?

 

[clarky]

Wait, people like 3rd party controllers now? I've been using the wired 360 controller for my pc. Is there a better controller than that and the DualSense if you don't care to use back paddles?

People swear by the 8bitdo but with no back paddles its a big no from me with the type of games I play.

8BitDo Ultimate 2C Wireless Controller | 8BitDo

The Ultimate 2C Wireless Controller is redesigned from the Ultimate C with a 1000Hz polling rate, extra bumpers, Hall Effect joysticks and triggers, and refined D-pad.

www.8bitdo.com

 

[kevboard]

Wait, people like 3rd party controllers now? I've been using the wired 360 controller for my pc. Is there a better controller than that and the DualSense if you don't care to use back paddles?

uhm... yes. third party controllers have overtaken first party ones in quality during the last console gen.
especially on Switch and Switch 2 you should always buy decent third party controllers instead of the official ones.

8bitdo especially have become not only high quality, but also way cheaper than first party controllers.

People swear by the 8bitdo but with no back paddles its a big no from me with the type of games I play.

8BitDo Ultimate 2C Wireless Controller | 8BitDo

The Ultimate 2C Wireless Controller is redesigned from the Ultimate C with a 1000Hz polling rate, extra bumpers, Hall Effect joysticks and triggers, and refined D-pad.

www.8bitdo.com

they have multiple models, some with and some without back paddles.
the Xbox Ultimate 3-Mode for example has back paddles, as well as the Pro 3 and the Ultimate 2

8BitDo Ultimate 3-mode Controller for Xbox | 8BitDo

Designed to play cross platform. Officially licensed by Xbox. Available in Jade, Black, and White editions.

www.8bitdo.com

Pro 3 Bluetooth Gamepad | 8BitDo

8BitDo Pro 3 Bluetooth Gamepad. Retro flagship design upgraded with TMR joysticks, integrated charging dock, magnetic ABXY, ball-top joystick caps, Hall Effect triggers, pro-level back paddles, and extreme compatibility with Switch 2, Switch, Windows, Apple, Android, and Steam.

www.8bitdo.com

Ultimate 2 Bluetooth Controller | 8BitDo

Flagship, fully upgraded for next-level performance. Compatible with Switch and Windows.

www.8bitdo.com

Pro 3 and Ultimate 2 also have additional bumpers on each side, while the Xbox Ultimate 3-Mode only has the paddles.

 

[clarky]

uhm... yes. third party controllers have overtaken first party ones in quality during the last console gen.
especially on Switch and Switch 2 you should always buy decent third party controllers instead of the official ones.

8bitdo especially have become not only high quality, but also way cheaper than first party controllers.





they have multiple models, some with and some without back paddles.
the Xbox Ultimate 3-Mode for example has back paddles, as well as the Pro 3 and the Ultimate 2

8BitDo Ultimate 3-mode Controller for Xbox | 8BitDo

Designed to play cross platform. Officially licensed by Xbox. Available in Jade, Black, and White editions.

www.8bitdo.com

Pro 3 Bluetooth Gamepad | 8BitDo

8BitDo Pro 3 Bluetooth Gamepad. Retro flagship design upgraded with TMR joysticks, integrated charging dock, magnetic ABXY, ball-top joystick caps, Hall Effect triggers, pro-level back paddles, and extreme compatibility with Switch 2, Switch, Windows, Apple, Android, and Steam.

www.8bitdo.com

Ultimate 2 Bluetooth Controller | 8BitDo

Flagship, fully upgraded for next-level performance. Compatible with Switch and Windows.

www.8bitdo.com

Pro 3 and Ultimate 2 also have additional bumpers on each side, while the Xbox Ultimate 3-Mode only has the paddles.

I looked into them a while ago. They only have 2 on the back right? I need 4 to replace the face buttons on the games I play.

The extra 2 bumpers on the v3 are a god send I never knew I needed on top of the 4 at the back for POE2. My thumbs never need to leave the sticks.

I tried the Scuff Instinct but the 4 back button where not in the right place for my hands and the sticks where too loose.

This controller is the closest to my needs I've found, hopefully it holds up long term. There is very little I'd change about it, apart form the price obviously.

 

[kevboard]

I looked into them a while ago. They only have 2 on the back right? I need 4 to replace the face buttons on the games I play.

The extra 2 bumpers on the v3 are a god send I never knew I needed on top of the 4 at the back for POE2. My thumbs never need to leave the sticks.

I tried the Scuff Instinct but the 4 back button where not in the right place for my hands and the sticker where too loose.

This controller is the closest to my needs I've found, hopefully it holds up long term. There is very little I'd change about it, apart form the price obviously.

yes, on 8bitdo controllers the most you can get is 2 paddles and 2 additional bumpers. I personally only use 2 paddles at most, so for me that's perfect.

for 4 paddles the Wolverine is the best controller for sure.

 

[spons]

I love those 8bitdo controllers but by Christ can Microsoft finally let third-parties use their wireless tech? I know it's not Bluetooth and muh proprietary hardware instead, but come on man.

Edit: oh, they actually do now. Never mind.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

uhm... yes. third party controllers have overtaken first party ones in quality during the last console gen.
especially on Switch and Switch 2 you should always buy decent third party controllers instead of the official ones.

8bitdo especially have become not only high quality, but also way cheaper than first party controllers.





they have multiple models, some with and some without back paddles.
the Xbox Ultimate 3-Mode for example has back paddles, as well as the Pro 3 and the Ultimate 2

8BitDo Ultimate 3-mode Controller for Xbox | 8BitDo

Designed to play cross platform. Officially licensed by Xbox. Available in Jade, Black, and White editions.

www.8bitdo.com

Pro 3 Bluetooth Gamepad | 8BitDo

8BitDo Pro 3 Bluetooth Gamepad. Retro flagship design upgraded with TMR joysticks, integrated charging dock, magnetic ABXY, ball-top joystick caps, Hall Effect triggers, pro-level back paddles, and extreme compatibility with Switch 2, Switch, Windows, Apple, Android, and Steam.

www.8bitdo.com

Ultimate 2 Bluetooth Controller | 8BitDo

Flagship, fully upgraded for next-level performance. Compatible with Switch and Windows.

www.8bitdo.com

Pro 3 and Ultimate 2 also have additional bumpers on each side, while the Xbox Ultimate 3-Mode only has the paddles.

Hmm. This black myth wukong one is sexy. Any drawbacks besides no back paddles? Is the dock sold separate? Not sure id like the clicky d-pad. And what do people usually do with that extra bumper. Never saw that before.

Amazon.com

 

[kevboard]

Hmm. This black myth wukong one is sexy. Any drawbacks besides no back paddles? Is the dock sold separate? Not sure id like the clicky d-pad. And what do people usually do with that extra bumper. Never saw that before.

Amazon.com

no drawbacks as such. their controllers just have different features, so if the ones that are missing on that one aren't important to you, then there are no real issues with that one.

some of their controllers are Switch 2 compatible (nearly all the Bluetooth ones), some have gyro support, some have TMR sticks, some Hall Effect Sticks...
and then there's their Xbox compatible controllers if you want to use it on an Xbox as well as on PC.


so if you want an Xbox compatible controller, the best one is the Xbox Ultimate 3-Mode.
if you want a Switch 2 compatible one, the best one there is the Ultimate 2.
and if you only care about PC, then it really comes down to which features you want or don't want, as all of their controllers essentially are PC compatible.


as for additional bumpers, well, people map face buttons or dpad directions to them so that they don't have to let go of the sticks in games, mostly useful in shooters. same idea as paddles...

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

no drawbacks as such. their controllers just have different features, so if the ones that are missing on that one aren't important to you, then there are no real issues with that one.

some of their controllers are Switch 2 compatible (nearly all the Bluetooth ones), some have gyro support, some have TMR sticks, some Hall Effect Sticks...
and then there's their Xbox compatible controllers if you want to use it on an Xbox as well as on PC.


so if you want an Xbox compatible controller, the best one is the Xbox Ultimate 3-Mode.
if you want a Switch 2 compatible one, the best one there is the Ultimate 2.
and if you only care about PC, then it really comes down to which features you want or don't want, as all of their controllers essentially are PC compatible.


as for additional bumpers, well, people map face buttons or dpad directions to them so that they don't have to let go of the sticks in games, mostly useful in shooters. same idea as paddles...

I'm only doing pc, steam deck and ps5 these days. I havent even used the back paddles for the steam deck. So I don't think I'd miss it.

 

[BeardSpike]

I'm a bit of a controller addict, I won't lie.

I've tried:

• Xbox Elite V2 - High quality materials, excellent paddles, great charging case. Really poor reliability, too heavy, no Hall/TMR sticks
• DualSense Edge - An engineering marvel, feels good in the hands. Absolutely terrible battery life, the replacement stick modules are a dumb idea when Hall/TMR are right there, and it's coolest features (haptic feedback/adaptive triggers/etc..) don't work well on PC
• 8BitDo Ultimate/Ultimate 2 - Really nice controller. I have few complaints about it other than that it should have 4 rear paddles/buttons instead of two, the power LED Is way too freaking bright, and (this was my dealbreaker) it's unfortunately super uncomfortable for someone with large hands like me
• Gamesir SuperNova - Ergonomically it's very nice, and the price is excellent.. But my god this controller feels cheap in the hands. It's still a good value but if you're looking for something with a premium feel, this ain't it
• FlyDigi Vader 4 Pro - This is my currently controller. It's excellent overall, but 2 of the 4 rear buttons are more or less useless with how you have to position your fingers to activate them, it's cool that the sticks have adjustable tension but the actual grips on the sticks feel cheap and like they'll break down quickly, and the actual quality of materials is just okay; better than GameSir but worse than 8BitDo. Aesthetically it's also too gamery for my tastes
• Haven't tried Gullikit because all I hear about their products is how terrible their reliability is. Even worse than the Elite V2.

Next one I'm trying is the Razer. I couldn't justify $200 but $140 brand new? Hell yeah. Really excited for it and hope it provides what I'm looking for.

*Tips fedora* fellow controller addict.

I had Elite 2, Cyclone 2, Ultimate, Ultimate 2C, Ultimate 3-Mode, Ultimate 2, Pro 2, Mobapad HuBen 2 (first ever Capacitive Joystick modules I have had the pleasure of using, different tech than Analog sticks, Hall and TMR), GuliKit KK3 Pro. I was curious about V3 Pro 8K PC but the lack of rumble is meh.

Current lineup.

If you can jump from Apex 4 to 5 it is worth it. Additional back paddles, more compact shape, and sticks latency goes from 50-60ms to like 5ms. We can now measure stick latency btw.

https://gamepadla.com/ is your friend .

If anyone has any questions, fire away.

 

[kevboard]

I'm only doing pc, steam deck and ps5 these days. I havent even used the back paddles for the steam deck. So I don't think I'd miss it.

for PC only, the most feature rich controller they have is the Ultimate 2,

Ultimate 2 Wireless Controller | 8BitDo

Flagship, fully upgraded for next-level performance. Compatible with Windows and Android devices.

www.8bitdo.com

it has paddles, extra bumpers, 3 programmable profiles, TMR Sticks, tactile hair trigger switches, and 6 axis (gyro, accelerometers)
it comes with a charging stand, and a 2.4ghz wireless dongle (but works over Bluetooth as well of course).

they also have a Wuchang special edition for it.

Ultimate 2 Wireless - Wuchang | 8BitDo

Official collaboration between 8BitDo and Wuchang: Fallen Feathers. The Ultimate 2 Wireless Controller – Wuchang Edition is forged for battle with precision control and iconic design. Compatible with Windows and Android.

www.8bitdo.com

and even the special edition is cheaper than any first party controller these days... which is insane.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

for PC only, the most feature rich controller they have is the Ultimate 2,

Ultimate 2 Wireless Controller | 8BitDo

Flagship, fully upgraded for next-level performance. Compatible with Windows and Android devices.

www.8bitdo.com

it has paddles, extra bumpers, 3 programmable profiles, TMR Sticks, tactile hair trigger switches, and 6 axis (gyro, accelerometers)
it comes with a charging stand, and a 2.4ghz wireless dongle (but works over Bluetooth as well of course).

they also have a Wuchang special edition for it.

Ultimate 2 Wireless - Wuchang | 8BitDo

Official collaboration between 8BitDo and Wuchang: Fallen Feathers. The Ultimate 2 Wireless Controller – Wuchang Edition is forged for battle with precision control and iconic design. Compatible with Windows and Android.

www.8bitdo.com

and even the special edition is cheaper than any first party controller these days... which is insane.

Hmm. Didn't realize there was another ultimate 2. I don't like the look of that black myth one. But in black that's probably the one I should get.

 

[BeardSpike]

Ha! I picked one up myself last week, straight from AliExpress for £16.92, I'm well happy with. I have a bit of a controller buying addiction tbh, and whilst I am ultra particular, I am still always looking for gem buys, as well as being happy to spend more for quality. My main online shooter gamepad is the Elite 2, but this new Gamesir 2C is an excellent budget buy which I'm now maining with Elden Ring and probably the other single player stuff I'll play after. But if my Elite 2 develops a fault (again), I will have no qualms with using the GameSir with BF6 and other multiplayer stuff. It's an absolute bargain for what you get.

Note the paddle buttons have been resituated under the bumpers instead. They're good for normally fiddly item selection and spell casting.

Try maybe something like GameSir Cyclone 2, Cyclone 3 is on the way so it drops pretty low on Temu/AliExpress I saw it go as low as $35.

It's definitely better than 2C and Ultimate 2, let alone Elite 2. Microswitches on ABXY and bumpers will open your eyes. Also it holds fairly high polling rate.

Pro 3 has laughably low polling rate, imho. ES Pro beats it over Bluetooth lmao.

Be aware that trigger stops switch is kind of hidden.

 

[BeardSpike]

DirtInUrEye another budget controller you could get is GameSir Super Nova. It's shape is more comfortable than 8BitDo Ultimate/2/2C. It has hall effect sticks though.
It sells right around the price point of Cyclone 2 now maybe even tad lower, and that's with charging dock. It has swappable faceplate and you can change ABXY positions from Xbox layout to Nintendo layout if you want. Also you can map back buttons on the fly without an app. That's how I made mine all black.

It has sick charging dock animation
It's all membrane controller mind you, but it has high quality membranes.
Trigger stops are there, but they are kinda meh no microswitch. So I don't use them.

It's shape is more like Switch Pro controller, it's hella comfy and compact. I don't have to tuck my elbows in like on an 8BitDo controllers.

It doesn't have rubberized grips but the shell is so high quality it feels like it tbh.

If GameSir releases something like Super Nova 2 with TMRs and Microswitch trigger stops I'm grabbing it day one imho.

So far I'm curious what Cyclone 3 will be like and how they will slot it in between G7 Pro plus there are new Tarantulas on the way.

analog_future

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I like Gamesir. Am hoping they make actual Switch 2 (wired) controllers.

 

[FukuDaruma]

why are you linking reviews to different razer products?

I'm not. I'm posting verifiable links to how bad Razer and their products, software and customer support is valued by their customers by the thousands, not just a handful of fans.

We are not talking about the same controller obviously. The V3 pro has 4 back paddles (fully customisable) and no vibration at all.

As I said, I tested the Wolverine V3, which is very similar. They added 2 more back *buttons* on the V3 Pro, which are not paddles. Those back buttons on the Wolverine V3 are crap, not comfortable at all or fast to click as real paddles.

And by "fully customizable" I mean being able to swap them at will and set them short, long, upwards, downwards, dome or flat, use third party paddles...

You recommended a controller that i was about to purchase until I saw the user reviews.

The posters in this thread that own the V3 have nothing but good things to say about it.

Well, to each their own. To me comfortable grip and texture surface, switchable thumbsticks, good back paddles and vibration are key to a good controller. All that I found very lacking or inexistent in the Wolverine V3.

 

[clarky]

I'm not. I'm posting verifiable links to how bad Razer and their products, software and customer support is valued by their customers by the thousands, not just a handful of fans.

Thanks, but in my experience of their products this is not the case

As I said, I tested the Wolverine V3, which is very similar. They added 2 more back *buttons* on the V3 Pro, which are not paddles. Those back buttons on the Wolverine V3 are crap, not comfortable at all or fast to click as real paddles.

Subjective. I will agree like i said that I prefer paddles but not when they are attached to something with a failure rate of an Elite (i had 3) or the controller you suggested. After a month or so of use Im comfortable with buttons instead of paddles.

And by "fully customizable" I mean being able to swap them at will and set them short, long, upwards, downwards, dome or flat, use third party paddles...

My bad. Although I never changed the orientation or length of mine when I had the option.

Well, to each their own.

Exactly.

To me comfortable grip and texture surface, switchable thumbsticks, good back paddles and vibration are key to a good controller. All that I found very lacking or inexistent in the Wolverine V3.

Its whats important to you isn't it.

The only thing thats missing for me on this is the paddles maybe and its could do with being 5-10% bigger. The face buttons and bumpers are best in class in my experience and the sticks have just the right resistance. Battery life is great. Rumble is not an issue for me or I would have bought the xbox version.

Reliability is a factor for me as well, no matter how cheap something is. I press a button I expect it to work. Jury's out on whether the v3 lasts me but I've not heard of any widespread issues so hopefully it does.

If the controller you suggested was reliable I would have got one. Looked almost feature complete for me.

 

[analog_future]

*Tips fedora* fellow controller addict.

I had Elite 2, Cyclone 2, Ultimate, Ultimate 2C, Ultimate 3-Mode, Ultimate 2, Pro 2, Mobapad HuBen 2 (first ever Capacitive Joystick modules I have had the pleasure of using, different tech than Analog sticks, Hall and TMR), GuliKit KK3 Pro. I was curious about V3 Pro 8K PC but the lack of rumble is meh.

Current lineup.

If you can jump from Apex 4 to 5 it is worth it. Additional back paddles, more compact shape, and sticks latency goes from 50-60ms to like 5ms. We can now measure stick latency btw.

https://gamepadla.com/ is your friend .

If anyone has any questions, fire away.

What's your favorite out of your lineup?

DirtInUrEye another budget controller you could get is GameSir Super Nova. It's shape is more comfortable than 8BitDo Ultimate/2/2C. It has hall effect sticks though.
It sells right around the price point of Cyclone 2 now maybe even tad lower, and that's with charging dock. It has swappable faceplate and you can change ABXY positions from Xbox layout to Nintendo layout if you want. Also you can map back buttons on the fly without an app. That's how I made mine all black.

It has sick charging dock animation
It's all membrane controller mind you, but it has high quality membranes.
Trigger stops are there, but they are kinda meh no microswitch. So I don't use them.

It's shape is more like Switch Pro controller, it's hella comfy and compact. I don't have to tuck my elbows in like on an 8BitDo controllers.

It doesn't have rubberized grips but the shell is so high quality it feels like it tbh.

If GameSir releases something like Super Nova 2 with TMRs and Microswitch trigger stops I'm grabbing it day one imho.

So far I'm curious what Cyclone 3 will be like and how they will slot it in between G7 Pro plus there are new Tarantulas on the way.

analog_future

I'm sorry but those Gamesir Tarantula controllers look terrible. They look like cheap toys.

 

[Schnauzer]

As someone who has previously had issues with Razor, I am in agreement with Steve and will be avoiding all products until their is a major shift in the organization.

 

[clarky]

As someone who has previously had issues with Razor, I am in agreement with Steve and will be avoiding all products until their is a major shift in the organization.

I've said it before and i'll say it again. I've had many of their laptops over the years (and many more from other vendors) and while you pay a premium the build quality is second only to Apple.

Not saying people don't have issues but I had one battery fail that they replaced just out of warranty and another i smashed the screen on a 2023 model pissed up and they replaced it with the 2024 model because they didn't have the part in stock. I think the 2025 Blade 16 has some issues but I don't have one of those.

Maybe UK CS is different to the USA.

They wouldn't be successful company if their products were so poor.

 

[Superbean]

I want a controller with two extra bumpers and four paddles on the back. The wolverine has a terrible dpad for me. I want basically it but with a good dpad, and rumble.

 

[Soodanim]

DirtInUrEye another budget controller you could get is GameSir Super Nova. It's shape is more comfortable than 8BitDo Ultimate/2/2C. It has hall effect sticks though.
It sells right around the price point of Cyclone 2 now maybe even tad lower, and that's with charging dock. It has swappable faceplate and you can change ABXY positions from Xbox layout to Nintendo layout if you want. Also you can map back buttons on the fly without an app. That's how I made mine all black.

It has sick charging dock animation
It's all membrane controller mind you, but it has high quality membranes.
Trigger stops are there, but they are kinda meh no microswitch. So I don't use them.

It's shape is more like Switch Pro controller, it's hella comfy and compact. I don't have to tuck my elbows in like on an 8BitDo controllers.

It doesn't have rubberized grips but the shell is so high quality it feels like it tbh.

If GameSir releases something like Super Nova 2 with TMRs and Microswitch trigger stops I'm grabbing it day one imho.

So far I'm curious what Cyclone 3 will be like and how they will slot it in between G7 Pro plus there are new Tarantulas on the way.

analog_future

You got my interest by opening with comfort, but the Super Nova has that awful rubber on the grips so that's an instant no-go for me. I like the look of the Cyclone 2, but since you mentioned Cyclone 3 I won't order one just yet. I also like the look of the Tarantula as it's symmetrical, but I'm not a fan of the colours. Plain black should always be an option.

I'll stick with my Ultimate 2 for now but will keep an eye on Gamesir's releases.

 

[clarky]

I want a controller with two extra bumpers and four paddles on the back. The wolverine has a terrible dpad for me. I want basically it but with a good dpad, and rumble.

The Xbox version has rumble but no 8k. Can't help you on the D-pad though. .

 

[kevboard]

I want a controller with two extra bumpers and four paddles on the back. The wolverine has a terrible dpad for me. I want basically it but with a good dpad, and rumble.

wait what? What's bad about the Dpad? I have a Wolverine V3 on Xbox, and that dpad is godlike...
it feels like if you turned the click stick of a NeoGeo controller into a dpad.

 

[BeardSpike]

What's your favorite out of your lineup?

It's tough to choose just one. But I guess it would be either G7 Pro or Apex 5, lmao. Although I have to chat with FlyDigi a bit since I think my right stick behaves a bit weird.

I also like the sticks on GuliKit ES Pro - although it's an cheaper controller. They have this "stand", you see:

It bodes well for TT Max and Pro. With infinite stick strength adjustability, and they finally redesigned the triggers - I had KK3 Pro for a while and didn't like the deadzone on triggers, ES Pro seems to have that one covered at least so if they go with the way they tuned ES Pro triggers with TT Max/Pro it will be a nice controller if they add a metal axis or smth.

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They also have this floating d-pad and symmetrical sticks. Plus paddles, it uses the same 750Hz polling rate over Bluetooth tech the ES Pro uses and probably the same stand on TMR sticks. It won't have rubberized grips that's for sure Soodanim

I'm sorry but those Gamesir Tarantula controllers look terrible. They look like cheap toys.

Yeah, they ain't the prettiest that's for sure although I kinda dig the Xbox version. GameSir Tegenaria Lite looks really good but not only it is only wired but triggers have short travel rate and the shell feels on the cheaper side... So it's not all sunshine and rainbows.

You got my interest by opening with comfort, but the Super Nova has that awful rubber on the grips so that's an instant no-go for me. I like the look of the Cyclone 2, but since you mentioned Cyclone 3 I won't order one just yet. I also like the look of the Tarantula as it's symmetrical, but I'm not a fan of the colours. Plain black should always be an option.

I'll stick with my Ultimate 2 for now but will keep an eye on Gamesir's releases.

It's actually rubberized*. I initially thought it wasn't but now I've read it actually is - so I just got confused lmao. But the shape is top tier for my hands at least.

Yeah, Cyclone 3 is definitely coming. GameSir leaked it through their site since they added subpage for a manual for Cyclone 3.

 

[Superbean]

wait what? What's bad about the Dpad? I have a Wolverine V3 on Xbox, and that dpad is godlike...
it feels like if you turned the click stick of a NeoGeo controller into a dpad.

Just for me, not for everybody. I want an NES style dpad. I hate the weird dome thing.

 

[FukuDaruma]

I'm really interested in knowing from people that have tried many different gamepads first hand ( like BeardSpike and analog_future ) about what they think is equal or better than the Elite v2 in this key (for me) features:

1. Similar 4 flat back paddles ( *not* buttons ) like the GuliKit's
   
   
2. Rubber surface/grip, or at least not polished or hard plasticky
   
   
3. Strong and detailed vibration. Of all the gamepads I tried so far the Elite has the strongest and most detailed vibration by far, even in the wireless mode, which is lighter than it's wired.

 

[BeardSpike]

I'm really interested in knowing from people that have tried many different gamepads first hand ( like BeardSpike and analog_future ) about what they think is equal or better than the Elite v2 in this key (for me) features:

1. Similar 4 flat back paddles ( *not* buttons ) like the GuliKit's
   
   
2. Rubber surface/grip, or at least not polished or hard plasticky
   
   
3. Strong and detailed vibration. Of all the gamepads I tried so far the Elite has the strongest and most detailed vibration by far, even in the wireless mode, which is lighter than it's wired.

Hmm, tough nut to crack. Its either one or the other with 3rd party controllers unfortunately.

Chinese brands are almost all allergic to back paddles.

GuliKit KK3 Max is the only controller which I know of and it coming right up to my mind. It has Hall Effect sticks mind you, no rubberised grips. You could always use grip tape.

1000Hz polling rate, sticks should be an HallPi modules so one of the best, it should have Stand the ES Pro uses so even if they are not TMR modules they should be fairly stable and precise regardless.

I had those Maglev vibration motors in my KK3 Pro and they are awesome, Regular ramble mode, HD Rumble Mode, Haptic Mode.

If they have the same triggers mechanism as KK3 Pro, there will be like a stop gap at the end of travel rate of triggers, some overagressive like dampening. Axis will be plastic though so be aware.

Bumpers will feel roughly the same as Elite 2, maybe even lighter to press - they use an additional spring I didn't quite like it.

So it covers some of your points, falls flat in the others imho. Not worth the full price but if you manage to buy an non used one and sealed but sold by a regular person in the price range of used one or maybe slightly used one or new open box or returned by seller or smth with a solid discount compared to MRSP, it will be somewhat worth it otherwise I would wait for KK4, it may come right after ES Pro and TT Max and Pro.

They seem to be going in a different direction and changing their weird designs and they also seem to be putting TMR modules finally.

I will think about other controllers tomorrow which may fit your preferences but don't expect a lot.

 

[BeardSpike]

I'm really interested in knowing from people that have tried many different gamepads first hand ( like BeardSpike and analog_future ) about what they think is equal or better than the Elite v2 in this key (for me) features:

1. Similar 4 flat back paddles ( *not* buttons ) like the GuliKit's
   
   
2. Rubber surface/grip, or at least not polished or hard plasticky
   
   
3. Strong and detailed vibration. Of all the gamepads I tried so far the Elite has the strongest and most detailed vibration by far, even in the wireless mode, which is lighter than it's wired.

Amazon.com: ZD O+ Excellence Wireless PC Controller – Modular Design, Hall Effect Joysticks, Remappable Buttons, RGB & Audio Jack for Switch/Switch2, PC, Android, iOS & Steam : Video Games

Amazon.com: ZD O+ Excellence Wireless PC Controller – Modular Design, Hall Effect Joysticks, Remappable Buttons, RGB & Audio Jack for Switch/Switch2, PC, Android, iOS & Steam : Video Games

www.amazon.com

ZD O+ Excellence Wireless Controller

Modular Design Joystick & D-Pad, Personalized Swappable Components Trigger Mode Switch, Linear Hall Effect & Tactile Mechanical Triggers 2 Extra Shoulder Buttons + 4 Magnetic Remappable Paddles Gyroscope 6-Axis Motion Control + 4 Onboard Config Profiles 4 Vibration Motors + 3.5mm Audio Jack...

gadgethyper.com

Can't sleep so...

I thought about some other brands I know but havent tested yet.

This one came up. ZD O+ Excellence.

GadgetHyper sells different faceplates and stick modules and ABXY modules for Excellence. Woah, I initially saw Hall and was like Meh but it's pretty customizable.

ZD O+ Excellence ABXY Button Module Accessories

gadgethyper.com

ZD O+ Excellence Joystick & D-Pad Module Accessories

gadgethyper.com

Reminds me a bit of Xbox 360 controller tbh.

 

[simpatico]

*Tips fedora* fellow controller addict.

I had Elite 2, Cyclone 2, Ultimate, Ultimate 2C, Ultimate 3-Mode, Ultimate 2, Pro 2, Mobapad HuBen 2 (first ever Capacitive Joystick modules I have had the pleasure of using, different tech than Analog sticks, Hall and TMR), GuliKit KK3 Pro. I was curious about V3 Pro 8K PC but the lack of rumble is meh.

Current lineup.

If you can jump from Apex 4 to 5 it is worth it. Additional back paddles, more compact shape, and sticks latency goes from 50-60ms to like 5ms. We can now measure stick latency btw.

https://gamepadla.com/ is your friend .

If anyone has any questions, fire away.

Looking for something with killer rumble. Not just intensity, but also nuance. It's very important for Forza. Also want back paddles that I can map to any key (PC). Not paying more than $80. I'd buy an Elite from MS or Sony if I was confident it would last.

 

[kevboard]

Looking for something with killer rumble. Not just intensity, but also nuance. It's very important for Forza. Also want back paddles that I can map to any key (PC). Not paying more than $80. I'd buy an Elite from MS or Sony if I was confident it would last.

8bitdo's Ultimate 3-Mode controller for Xbox has decent impulse triggers.
but, the trigger feel of a first party Series X controller is still unmatched by any third party or other first party. the smoothness, the impulse rumble, the shape... they are the perfect analog triggers, especially for Forza imo.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

The extra button storage for the Ultimate 3 is god-tier. I love where they put them in the base and they even give you a button puller...made me giggle when I found them.

Love the feel of this controller and highly recommend the purchase if you like controllers or collecting them (will not post my collection out of complete and utter shame for the amount I have spent...some of you have "a problem"...I have a goddamn genetic disorder).

 

[FukuDaruma]

Amazon.com: ZD O+ Excellence Wireless PC Controller – Modular Design, Hall Effect Joysticks, Remappable Buttons, RGB & Audio Jack for Switch/Switch2, PC, Android, iOS & Steam : Video Games

Amazon.com: ZD O+ Excellence Wireless PC Controller – Modular Design, Hall Effect Joysticks, Remappable Buttons, RGB & Audio Jack for Switch/Switch2, PC, Android, iOS & Steam : Video Games

www.amazon.com

ZD O+ Excellence Wireless Controller

Modular Design Joystick & D-Pad, Personalized Swappable Components Trigger Mode Switch, Linear Hall Effect & Tactile Mechanical Triggers 2 Extra Shoulder Buttons + 4 Magnetic Remappable Paddles Gyroscope 6-Axis Motion Control + 4 Onboard Config Profiles 4 Vibration Motors + 3.5mm Audio Jack...

gadgethyper.com

Can't sleep so...

I thought about some other brands I know but havent tested yet.

This one came up. ZD O+ Excellence.

GadgetHyper sells different faceplates and stick modules and ABXY modules for Excellence. Woah, I initially saw Hall and was like Meh but it's pretty customizable.

ZD O+ Excellence ABXY Button Module Accessories

gadgethyper.com

ZD O+ Excellence Joystick & D-Pad Module Accessories

gadgethyper.com

Reminds me a bit of Xbox 360 controller tbh.

That looks great. Thanks for pointing in the good direction. This looks even better:

ZD Ultimate Legend Wireless Controller

Compatible with Windows 10/11, Switch, Android, and iOS Supports 2.4GHz USB, Bluetooth, and Wired Connections 3000Hz Ultra-High Polling Rate via Wired Mode 900Hz via 2.4G, 250Hz+ via Bluetooth Engineered for Ultra-Low Latency: 1ms Wired, 9ms Wireless Modular Joystick Design (Default RJ13-TMR)...

gadgethyper.com

Much higher polling rate, response, 6 vibration motors, etc.

Edit: Argh... back buttons instead of paddles.

 

[BeardSpike]

8bitdo's Ultimate 3-Mode controller for Xbox has decent impulse triggers.
but, the trigger feel of a first party Series X controller is still unmatched by any third party or other first party. the smoothness, the impulse rumble, the shape... they are the perfect analog triggers, especially for Forza imo.

Yeah it felt better than Elite 2 vibration wise. Shell is also high quality. A bit of pre-travel on bumpers, a bit stiff dpad, sticks are K-Silver modules rather than HallPi Hall Effects though - so not great not terrible either. Dunno about revision though. But it looks meh.

 

[BeardSpike]

Looking for something with killer rumble. Not just intensity, but also nuance. It's very important for Forza. Also want back paddles that I can map to any key (PC). Not paying more than $80. I'd buy an Elite from MS or Sony if I was confident it would last.

GameSir G7 Pro has Impulse Triggers, at 50% rumble is like regular Series S/X controller, you can crunk it up. Lockable back buttons are nice and those additional front buttons (they feel kinda too close but I havent miss-clicked them)%, TMR sticks. It uses Impulse Triggers with 250 and 500Hz polling rate at 1000Hz they turn off. Solid actuation on bumpers no pre-travel, doesn't have stiff dpad.

I could check if I can map any key but thats like in 9 hours.

In the meantime check




3-Mode had 250Hz only, dunno about revision.

Similar shape to 3-Mode very comfy but my elbows don't hurt like they did with 8BitDo.