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GDJustin said:
Part of the map issue is AA's. Sprint and Jetpack movement dramatically change map design and feel and not in the same way. It's very difficult for a map to work with all abilities and it completely throws out the possibilities of old maps to return in the same old glory. The best halo gameplay and maps occurred when there was no equipment or AA's. When movement and encounters are always the same level playing field, it is much easier to design great maps. Think of CE/H2(minus dual wielding) vs H3/Reach. Why are the maps and gameplay from the first two compared to the last such a dramatic difference in quality? Because there are too many variables in play. I'm very happy Reach brought back a lot of the simplicity with weapons and textures/objects in map design and even welcome the added shadowrun AA element. But only a few of the maps play well because of it. DLC and forge design that starts to consider all the new elments AA add should improve our selction and play experience.
AllIsOneIsNone
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I too don't care for the maps much in reach, but I still think the gameplay itself is leaps and bounds better than any previous halo mp. Personally I wish there was more variety and evolved maps that incorporate gameplay changes. There are what, 9 total maps in regular team slayer and 4 or 5 of them are remakes? Reach has armor abilities, so remakes don't work very well (I know they changed a few things, but general design is the same). Once you add jetpack/sprint, any design decisions from halo 2 or 3 kinda go out the window with reach.
Edit: I've been beat.
Edit: I've been beat.
The biggest gripe I have with reach is that of all the maps that have vehicles, the terrain itself means that only haemorrhage and boneyard are useable maps for vehicle combat. The rest are far too cluttered or uneven for them to be any fun whatsoever.
Rocket Race being added makes this glaringly obvious as well...
Rocket Race being added makes this glaringly obvious as well...
Domino Theory said:
The cap is probably there so they can get data on how fast people are ranking up so they can adjust the number of credits needed to reach higher levels. The numbers we've heard from modders are probably just temporary. Those highest levels are supposed to be only for a small subset of the hardcore and it's impossible to know exactly how quickly people will rank up before the game is actually out.
CitizenCope
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See a lot of map talk so I'll just say as mainly a btb player I feel jipped. =(
squidhands said:
I'm pretty not great at Reach, but when I think of great maps I think of good sight lines and multiple paths to navigate the map. Lockout will always be my favorite Halo map for the sheer amount of ways you could navigate it. Maps like The Cage with its linear paths are the definition of horrible map design, IMO.
squidhands
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AllIsOneIsNone
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CitizenCope said:
Derogatory term alert! Ban, ban! Oh wait, you spelled it wrong...damn. And oh wait, nobody knows that refers to gypsies anyways...nevermind
The Lamonster
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Sucks that there is no more progress bar in the lower-right HUD score.
I never know how many points is needed to win a game.
I never know how many points is needed to win a game.
My Halo 2 nameplate is really going to show in this post, so ignore if you didn't like that game.
Recently, I've been downloading a bunch of community remakes from previous Halo maps and I have to say they have helped me pinpoint a concern I have with Reach maps (Forge World maps/remakes and originals). I think a big part of my enjoyment of Halo 2 MP can be attributed to the weapon spawns. Maps with good weapon spawns create a balanced and dynamic fighting ground instead of just having one hallway killzones.
For example, I don't like the Ivory Tower remake in that I would prefer playing the Halo 2 version. Part of this is because of one particular change. There isn't an "overshield ramp" anymore and to replace it, they decided to take the shotgun out of the lower level from the other side of the map and put it on the glass ramp instead. (Why does the glass have to have so much glare? I wish the level wasn't so bright so you would actually look through the glass.) This change shifted 95% of play (from the non-hallway areas) to the glass ramp half to feed into the upper level hallway. Instead of the sneaking shotgun side and the go in with guns blazing up ramp side, we're just left with a barren alt entrance upstairs to just chuck grenades from.
Another thing I miss from Halo 2 is dynamic changes to the map during gameplay. Reach maps feel "dead" in comparison. I don't want to play Quake 3 Arena every time. Some examples would be [Colossus which had the belt system], [Zanzibar with the wheel, wheel ramp you could lower, active camo, base gate, closeable windows in base], [Ascension had the rotating dish], [Terminal had the train], [Midship had floating platform], [if this counts: Lockout had plenty of pro jumps], etc.
Maybe it's because Objective games in Halo 2 were an absolute blast (especially 1 bomb/flag) and Reach seems like more of a slayer focused game, but I feel like the maps were more interesting/varied/strategic to play and weren't more arena style slayer maps. With some tweaks to weapon spawns, a lot of my gripes could go away. (Please bring back the Banshee to Ascension! Switch the rockets out with a laser since they don't lock on. The banshee can't even hover anymore with the permanent foot on the gas change so why not? Give us a reason for that side of the map again!)
Recently, I've been downloading a bunch of community remakes from previous Halo maps and I have to say they have helped me pinpoint a concern I have with Reach maps (Forge World maps/remakes and originals). I think a big part of my enjoyment of Halo 2 MP can be attributed to the weapon spawns. Maps with good weapon spawns create a balanced and dynamic fighting ground instead of just having one hallway killzones.
For example, I don't like the Ivory Tower remake in that I would prefer playing the Halo 2 version. Part of this is because of one particular change. There isn't an "overshield ramp" anymore and to replace it, they decided to take the shotgun out of the lower level from the other side of the map and put it on the glass ramp instead. (Why does the glass have to have so much glare? I wish the level wasn't so bright so you would actually look through the glass.) This change shifted 95% of play (from the non-hallway areas) to the glass ramp half to feed into the upper level hallway. Instead of the sneaking shotgun side and the go in with guns blazing up ramp side, we're just left with a barren alt entrance upstairs to just chuck grenades from.
Another thing I miss from Halo 2 is dynamic changes to the map during gameplay. Reach maps feel "dead" in comparison. I don't want to play Quake 3 Arena every time. Some examples would be [Colossus which had the belt system], [Zanzibar with the wheel, wheel ramp you could lower, active camo, base gate, closeable windows in base], [Ascension had the rotating dish], [Terminal had the train], [Midship had floating platform], [if this counts: Lockout had plenty of pro jumps
], etc. Maybe it's because Objective games in Halo 2 were an absolute blast (especially 1 bomb/flag) and Reach seems like more of a slayer focused game, but I feel like the maps were more interesting/varied/strategic to play and weren't more arena style slayer maps. With some tweaks to weapon spawns, a lot of my gripes could go away. (Please bring back the Banshee to Ascension! Switch the rockets out with a laser since they don't lock on. The banshee can't even hover anymore with the permanent foot on the gas change so why not? Give us a reason for that side of the map again!)
riceandbeans
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MagniHarvald said:
You are remembering to charge it and it's hitting dead on, right? I haven't had too many problems with the PR other than getting direct hits, but that's mostly my fault. Ranger + PR can be a deadly combo in the congested maps.
Feorax said:
I've got the same problem too. The gameplay feels better, but I'm just not enjoying the maps. Asylum can be annoying and snipers have too much control over the map, Boneyard on Invasion is annoying since you can barely move around with the wraith, tank or banshee making TK'ing too easy, Paradiso I just don't find fun, and Zealot has a huge uneven design flaw where you can easily spam and kill opponents when you take the elevator into the zero-g area, grab the grenade launcher-esque Covenant weapon and hide on the top pillars where no one can easily get you. It's only half the time I'm having fun and that's not good enough for me, especially when you factor in the stupid racist jerkasses playing on XBL.
AllIsOneIsNone
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Gui_PT said:
That's what they tell me. Last person I told that to rolled their eyes at me. That's still considered a gesture implying I'm cool, right?
zero margin
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MagniHarvald said:
This. I have barely touched the game this week. Feels a little stagnant just playing the same 5 maps.
Ramirez said:
This too, feel like I need to check behind me every damn second on that map.
I feel like Zealot is the biggest throw away map out of all of them, endless nade spam around a circular battlefield. Haven't played it in MLG settings, does it fare any better there Tashi? I feel like the red and blue lifts should be way further apart, seems like you can kill someone, and 2 seconds later they've respawned and took the lift back up again to kill you. :lol
AllIsOneIsNone
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Gui_PT said:
Halo makes me roll my eyes.
Edit: See how I brought it around back on topic there?
Shake Appeal
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Uhhh, top 10% Gold means you're like top 5% of the playerbase, probably. At least.Ramirez said:
Domino Theory
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Good Lord, the amount of simultaneous kills in this game is absolutely ridiculous.
The only simultaneous kills there should be are beatdowns and NOTHING else.
How do you get a Bulltrue, yet the Sword lunger still kills you? That defeats the whole purpose of the fucking medal! :lol :lol :lol
The only simultaneous kills there should be are beatdowns and NOTHING else.
How do you get a Bulltrue, yet the Sword lunger still kills you? That defeats the whole purpose of the fucking medal! :lol :lol :lol
Darkflight
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Oh, that's not just me that happens to, kinda good to know, is bloody stupid.Domino Theory said:
Ramirez said:
This is huge. It seems like Reach has more maps like this than any other Halo. If you look at the best maps in Reach the map movement is all open to interpretation. I can get from Main ramp on Powerhouse to top of the grenade launcher building so many different ways.
- I can drop to pillars, go to Powerhouse and go across the little bridge.
- I can go in Hammer house and go up the dirt ramp(there's a actually a jump you can make to get right on top of it from Hammer DMR, sprint required).
- I can go on the main bridge. I can drop into the water and go to where grenade launcher spawns.
- I can go into the water and take the door to the right and head up the back.
- I can drop into the water and take the door to the left and then go to powerhouse. From there I can make it easily.
Now lets take the Cage. How would you get from Sniper spawn to where the pro pipe spawns?
- You could take man cannon and go up the little ramp.
- You could go to the small tower and then take the elbow all the way up.
- You could again go to small tower and take elbow to get you to top mid and then you could go down the little ramp and then up the big one next to where man cannon landing is.
- You could take man cannon, drop down the ramp on the left, take the ramp to top mid and then hop on elbow and take that to pro pipe.
4 ways to traverse the map and 2 of them are pretty much jokes. All the ones I listed for Powerhouse are viable paths to take.
Lets do another one with a good map. On Countdown how can I get from back garage door to the Balcony outside?
- I can go bottom mid and jump into the air lift room and I have 3 options there. 2 take me to different sides of health pack and 1 takes me directly to balcony
- I can hop in one of the lifts right next to me at garage and then it's a short trip to balcony from there. I also have a few escape options there as well.
- I can go into one of the flag rooms from garage and take the back stairs all the way up to balcony
- I can go into a base, take the front entrance to the middle, then I can take the lift all the way up to balcony or either side of health pack.
- I can go into a base, into the room next to it and then get on the back stairs.
And yea Ram, MLG Zealot of much better than the stock one. However, I suck at it :lol I haven't figured it out yet. But yea 120% run speed helps dodge grenades. All of the lifts to space are blocked. There's a portal at bottom yellow lift that takes you to the yellow lift platform right above it. There's also a sniper that spawns at top yellow lift. I'd say that it's a decent map in MLG. My opinion might change once I get better at it lol. I might try using top mid on that map more. It can get you almost anywhere on the map, has good cover and good escape options.
edit: I never placed in Arena.
Grimm Fandango
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Domino Theory said:
Hey it's a free medal, take it or leave it
Shake Appeal
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I would guess less than 20,000 people placed. Probably a lot less, actually. And when you consider millions own the game...Trasher said:
But yeah, if you're ever feeling blue, hop in a game with friends who are not good. When there's TrueSkill in every playlist and you're playing close Arena games constantly, it's easy to forget there are a lot of terrible players out there. I often forget that I'm an above average Halo player.
I think Bungie made Heretic such a faithful remake largely because of the reaction to Blackout.Plywood said:
The Lamonster
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Halo Waypoint's career section has got me going back to Halo Wars and ODST to unlock more achievements.
Well done!
Well done!
Neuromancer
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For shits and giggles, or to unlock armor?The Lamonster said:
The Lamonster
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To increase my overall career score on Waypoint, which means nothing.Neuromancer said:
Domino Theory
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Oozer3993 said:
There really is no excuse for a level cap in this game. Whether it takes ages to rank up or takes 5 minutes, the end result is the same: a few extra textures can be added to your character's look for in-game currency and nothing else.
A game like Call of Duty is where you can justify a level cap because a level 30 has a clear and distinct advantage over a level 5 because he has extra perks and weapons that the level 5 doesn't have yet that push the gameplay in his favor.
Let's assume the reasoning is because they don't want players to level up too fast and let's assume the numbers we got for reaching Reclaimer are true. If the daily cR cap is 60,000cR then:
16,000,000 (cR needed to rank up to Reclaimer) / 60,000 (daily cR cap) = 266.
It would take you 266 days to reach Reclaimer IF you:
a) played Reach every single day
and
b) reached the daily cR cap every single day
Neuromancer
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Wow you've got the Halo bug bad, my friend. :lolThe Lamonster said:
For remakes in Reach, I think it comes down to if the original design was symmetric or asymmetric if it will play well with AAs. For the most part, asylum works with AAs. Only the jetpacks break it for me. Foundation would be a great Reach map as well.Shake Appeal said:
The problem is that I prefer asymmetric maps. These maps have a certain flow to them and adding AAs just trumps that designed experience. I don't expect there to be a no-AA classic playlist for remake maps, but thats the only way to bring back the map as it was designed to be played.
http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1021178
Looks like someone likes Mik's artwork.
Looks like someone likes Mik's artwork.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=188077582&player=godhandiscen
Fucking quitters. I love Halo, but without friends who play the game and won't quit I don't think I can enjoy it.
Fucking quitters. I love Halo, but without friends who play the game and won't quit I don't think I can enjoy it.
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