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I am Super Mario
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I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but how do you get today's challenges just through 2 gruntpocalypses? It has to be through matchmaking, right? So it has to be with someone else? Or can you somehow do it alone?
Bregmann Roche
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Willeth said:
Is your Xbox Live Gamertag "Viagra"?
Thagomizer
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Pete Rock said:
eyeroll. Half of the posts from the regulars in here is criticizing and complaining about the game
Some kind soul please render this for me.
I've been having an unlucky day filled with quitters and teammates that don't really do anything.
But right at the last 10 seconds of my last match, I kill the core carrier, Ninja a guy and Ninja-board the falcon.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=7346211&player=Monolith Gui
Also filmed from another angle(in case you want to check it out), which is also funny because the 1st guy that I Ninja'd could've easily killed me but he went for the assassination.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=7346249&player=Monolith Gui
I've been having an unlucky day filled with quitters and teammates that don't really do anything.
But right at the last 10 seconds of my last match, I kill the core carrier, Ninja a guy and Ninja-board the falcon.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=7346211&player=Monolith Gui
Also filmed from another angle(in case you want to check it out), which is also funny because the 1st guy that I Ninja'd could've easily killed me but he went for the assassination.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=7346249&player=Monolith Gui
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Finished up todays challenges and got a shitton of credits in my last game when I got a silver commendation too. It felt so good to whip out my DMR when I had finished the pistol challenge though, fucked those little grunty gits right up, aaaaah.
BladedExpert
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Jedeye Sniv said:
Exactly the same thing happened to me. Silver commendation and two of the challenges complete in one game = credit overload. I even DMR'd the crap out of the last wave :lol
Neuromancer
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Tonight may be Lt. Colonel night for me if all goes well.
One thing I'm noticing about Reach is that the entire experience is less "solid" than other Halo games. Lots of little errors show up at the seams. There are tons of little bugs and tiny issues that on their own are fine, but they add up. And Reach has far more of them than H3 (although maybe less than H2), and it threatens the integrity of the Sandbox.
We've all seen videos of a ghost hitting a warthog or tank and flying off at 700 MPH, or a Revenant freaking out on Ghaleon's map, or people jumping off spire and surviving, etc etc.
Every time I see one of those videos I laugh. But in truth it isn't funny - every single one of these errors is the sandbox betraying the player. Halo games live & die by the integrity of the sandbox. Everything has physics. I'm reminded of the H3 video of the guy suiciding via a traffic cone dong to the head on The Pit. So when objects don't react the proper way, it's a major problem.
Other shooters don't have this problem, because they're scripted. Bungie is doing it the "hard" way - the REAL way. By making things like rockets actually exist in the play space and giving them physical properties. I respect them for that. But only if they can consistently get it right.
Halo games are always released so early in the holiday season. I can't help but think that an additional ~6 weeks of QA (releasing Oct 26 maybe) would have been good for the game. That still puts Halo two weeks in front of CoD.
We've all seen videos of a ghost hitting a warthog or tank and flying off at 700 MPH, or a Revenant freaking out on Ghaleon's map, or people jumping off spire and surviving, etc etc.
Every time I see one of those videos I laugh. But in truth it isn't funny - every single one of these errors is the sandbox betraying the player. Halo games live & die by the integrity of the sandbox. Everything has physics. I'm reminded of the H3 video of the guy suiciding via a traffic cone dong to the head on The Pit. So when objects don't react the proper way, it's a major problem.
Other shooters don't have this problem, because they're scripted. Bungie is doing it the "hard" way - the REAL way. By making things like rockets actually exist in the play space and giving them physical properties. I respect them for that. But only if they can consistently get it right.
Halo games are always released so early in the holiday season. I can't help but think that an additional ~6 weeks of QA (releasing Oct 26 maybe) would have been good for the game. That still puts Halo two weeks in front of CoD.
Glowingmonx
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http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=6137239&player=Vetoed
This guy knows how to nade!
This guy knows how to nade!
divisionbyzorro
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Glowingmonx said:
!!
That guy plays at a level that I will never understand.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
GDJustin said:
There's been stuff like that back since Halo 2 when you could park a tank on the Zanzibar windmill and it would go flying once it hit the bridge. Halo 3 has it's share of weird physics as well. It's just stuff you can't account for or easily fix without screwing up everything else.
Glowingmonx said:
He does it the risky way, it's harder to bounce nades right next to you in reach since you're so slow to move you're likely to get hit by it.
Stuff like that wouldn't work against people who don't charge though.
Neuromancer
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Frankly I'd rather have had it when we had it. I have not encountered any horrendous bugs, these all sound like pretty isolated incidents.GDJustin said:
CrazedArabMan
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chess said:
This I can get behind, maybe have it for BTB or something also, though sprint wouldn't be bad if it was the only ability. I was also thinking that maybe there should have been an option in custom games to remove reticule bloom also. That way you could truly play classic Halo.
LAUGHTREY said:He does it the risky way, it's harder to bounce nades right next to you in reach since you're so slow to move you're likely to get hit by it.
Stuff like that wouldn't work against people who don't charge though.
Sprint! What is the old saying: "Don't get greedy."
Easiest and fastest to get group of dailies we will probably see for a good while
all it took for 6k
Played some Living Dead, it was very fun! I love separating myself from the cheap camping group of humans, and just walk around the map on my own, looking for zombies to kill, until I get cornered up, and have the final standoff against the incessant horde. Hell's Janitor get!
all it took for 6k
Played some Living Dead, it was very fun! I love separating myself from the cheap camping group of humans, and just walk around the map on my own, looking for zombies to kill, until I get cornered up, and have the final standoff against the incessant horde. Hell's Janitor get!
There's definitely a wider array of little issues than Halo 3 had. I think, given the scope of the feature set in Reach, that each one didn't have quite enough polish time. There's a host of very small issues in Forge that annoy, but don't break, the mode (objects still shift after saving, for instance); one of my maps was over-written by a map by a different name. There's the slowdown in campaign, some cinematics and on the Glacier Firefight map. Stuff isn't transferring to bungie.net, which is frustrating but in the case of Score Attack, literally undermines the entire purpose of the mode (imagine if CTF flag caps stopped registering).GDJustin said:
And beyond that, the state of the multiplayer playlists were poor at release. I think Bungie clearly recognizes that and the first two playlist updates have both been very large, and very swift given their scope. It's good to see Bungie reacting to veto data, which is why I think so many of the updates have to do with stuff being removed (half of the last update was bad game types coming out, rather than going in). Game types continue to get refined so they play better.
But there's still nothing in the two MP modes that are of primary interest me - BTB and Invasion - that make me want to play. (I'll do a longer post on this later this week.) And my few excursions into the other playlists have been unpleasant due to how the maps and game types were configured, though some of those issues are getting ironed out.
For a different perspective, I imagine multiplayer hasn't been a good experience for new players. I'm starting to play every once in a while with someone I know from my wife's church. He played a bit of Halo 3, and picked up Reach planning to get into the multiplayer as he'd heard good things about it. And when we play together, the experience keeps being sub par. We did Firefight, and the games are often laggy or result in disconnects. We tried Team Slayer and got Snipers on Reflection. We did Team Objective and got CTF on the Sanctuary remake, with epic flag return times and flag at home to win (cue epic standoff). We did Invasion and have team mates quit out early so we get stomped in a most unpleasant manner. I showed him how to link his GT to Bungie.net, and now I'm imagining him wondering why many of his games don't show up in his Service Record. His first impression of multiplayer has been a steady string of "well that wasn't very good..." and it's mostly due to how the maps and game types are set up.
Some of those problems were fixed in the last playlist update, and hopefully more get ironed out soon. The last overhaul did much. But I'm still doing Campaign, Forge, Customs and Score Attack while I wait for the playlists and maps to get into a shape that I think I'll enjoy. And that wasn't the case with Halo 2 and Halo 3. Some aspects of the game just needed to cook a bit longer.
LAUGHTREY said:
Neuromancer said:
Well, it's anecdotal. But I've experienced more "weirdness" in Reach's first five weeks than I did in all of Halo 3, I think. The ONLY time I remember being fucked by a sandbox or physics error in H3 was some weird sword lunge issues. I'm sure more hardcore players can come in and rattle off a bunch of Halo 3 stuff... but it seems much more prevalent in Reach.
Bungie has always been synonymous with polish, and Reach seems less polished than H3 by far, in my opinion. When you have issues like weapons and vehicles not having matching respawn times on symmetrical maps, yet you choose to release your game in early September... it makes it harder to take Bungie's side. It's not really a defensible position.
Note that I'm not complaining about bloom, or armor effects, or any DESIGN decisions. Just objectively documented ERRORS and bugs. Reach just needed another polish pass.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Yeah the whole weird thing going on with weapons that are limited on maps really really bothers me.
Like it makes sense for when I drop my gun that respawned in my base, that it will put theirs in their base on respawn right. Makes sense.
And some Design Decisions, like keeping blue spawn on Pinnacle and red spawn on Reflection more powerful is also lolarious. Lets remake the maps, and make sure to keep all the little imperfections on them.
Like it makes sense for when I drop my gun that respawned in my base, that it will put theirs in their base on respawn right. Makes sense.
And some Design Decisions, like keeping blue spawn on Pinnacle and red spawn on Reflection more powerful is also lolarious. Lets remake the maps, and make sure to keep all the little imperfections on them.
You're not wrong. I've definitely noticed more "little issues" (and big issues - see Forge deleting everything off of maps) than in 3. All of them are just a polish pass or two from being ironed out and hopefully we'll see improvements in TU1, but that's not how it should have played out.GDJustin said:
Photolysis
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GDJustin said:
For the most part I find myself irritated far more by some of the design decisions than the various bugs or errors thrown up, but some of the issues just amazed me how they weren't noticed.
Stuff like vibration being disabled upon triggering the post-credits cutscene, (re)spawn timers being buggy, or the frame rate problems - even in cutscenes. A game this complicated will always have issues, but some of the bugs are just so obvious that I don't understand how the QA guys could have missed them.
RebornYeti
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GhaleonEB said:
That is the most annoying Forge bug in my opinion.
No matter what I do, I can't seem to get some of my pieces to stay exactly where I want them. They may be at weird angles, so that could be it. It's still pretty frustrating spending hours on a map making it look perfect only to have everything shift out of place the next time it loads.
thunker 9000
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WILL NOT FIXPhotolysis said:
NOT A BUG
BY DESIGN
A Tester's worst enemy. The issue does not get resolved and when the game ships. It's all; OMGAWD tester not testing right.
Often coordinates don't save correctly. There's one large piece on Crossroads that refuses to save at the correct angle: it shifts one degree on two of the three axis after placing it. And I don't even have to save to see the effect, I can edit the coordinate to be an even 80 degrees, let go, then pick it up again and it says 79 degrees. Repeat 10 times, delete the object and reset it, whatever. It looks fine once I change it, but if you save, exit and reload I see the object tilted to that 79 degree angle instead of 80.-Yeti said:That is the most annoying Forge bug in my opinion.
No matter what I do, I can't seem to get some of my pieces to stay exactly where I want them. They may be at weird angles, so that could be it. It's still pretty frustrating spending hours on a map making it look perfect only to have everything shift out of place the next time it loads.
Which wouldn't be a huge deal, except it's one of the Colosseum floor pieces creating the base of the map. I'm halfway through converting Crossroads into a Race map, and that means ironing out all the little bumps. And this is the last big one left on the map, but I can't fix it because Forge won't save it correctly. And on my last play test, it was big enough to toss the Mongoose over on its back, so the Race variant is ruined as a result. I'm still experimenting with embedding some blocks to smooth it over.
Little stuff, but sometimes they matter.
I was comparing achievements on XBox.com and my friend picked up 'If they came to hear me beg' way before me...and probably any of you as well...
If They Came to Hear Me Beg
Performed an Assassination against an Elite to survive a fall that would've been fatal.
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If They Came to Hear Me Beg
Performed an Assassination against an Elite to survive a fall that would've been fatal.
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acquired on 1/1/1753
PalaceBrother
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Glowingmonx said:
That's ridiculous. His move at 3:20 is incredibly aware.
Neuromancer
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ShinAmano said:
Photolysis
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Pookaki said:
True, testers will take the heat even if the issues on Bungie's bug tracker are set as "Resolved - won't fix", but that simply shifts the problem up a layer. Some of the problems are so obvious and detracting that you would imagine they're a high priority for fixes.
Stuff like vehicles and weapons spawning inconsistently are a major balance issue. In cases I've even had entire rounds finish in Invasion without a weapon or vehicle spawning, only to see it spawn a second upon advancing when the teams are switched around.
As for slowdown in cutscenes, I can't believe Bungie would be happy with that given that it makes the game look sloppy and unfinished.
The Librarian
Banned
For a gametype that was very much advertised and talked about before release, Invasion is very, very poorly equipped. Even so, as demonstrated before, 80% of my games are in Invasion on Spire, and I love Spire. But only two maps? Firefight, has what, eight? I think we could've gotten by on four, maybe five.
Same goes for BTB. It's a staple of Halo multiplayer, but BTB has only two suitable maps Hemorrhage and Paradiso. Hemorrhage is broken, its design is archaic, and it's just plain boring (Why did people want this map back again?), so that only leaves Paradiso. I like Paradiso, I think it's a fun map, but BTB can't stand on it's own with just one map; the same goes for Invasion.
Same goes for BTB. It's a staple of Halo multiplayer, but BTB has only two suitable maps Hemorrhage and Paradiso. Hemorrhage is broken, its design is archaic, and it's just plain boring (Why did people want this map back again?), so that only leaves Paradiso. I like Paradiso, I think it's a fun map, but BTB can't stand on it's own with just one map; the same goes for Invasion.
Also I've had pieces freak out when nudging slightly and suddenly be at strange angles or rotate 180 on an axis. Also in certain positions an object will be a completely different color (brown instead of gray, for instance) regardless of anything being around it to cast a shadow. Forge feels a lot of the time like it's held together with duct tape.GhaleonEB said:
Well obviously they wouldn't be happy with it, but there was probably some larger issue to be resolved so the game shipped on time. Sucks, but I don't think it's because they shrugged and said good enough. Sucks either way though.
xxjuicesxx
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So aren't percentiles almost completely useless if they don't tell us how many players made onyx/gold/badkid/sellyourgame?
Like wow you made top 20 onyx? How elite is that? Who the fuck knows.
Like wow you made top 20 onyx? How elite is that? Who the fuck knows.
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