Darkflight
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Nope, Tilt is bullets don't affect shields or something along those lines, Famine is half ammo.Diablohead said:
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Diablohead
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I just thought about that, you beat me to itDarkflight said:
Devin Olsen
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So because you say it has no value in gameplay it's cool to boost/farm credits?Victrix said:
Well if that's the case what is the point of the credits system, if it is so completely arbitrary and useless then why have it? Why not just give everyone 4,000,000 cR.
The credits system is a reward/play style system in which the better you do and the more games you play the more credits you get. It was exciting for me to play well and get credits. Now that you can go out and farm kills in SP what is the point? It takes me several days to earn the credits that someone can get in a couple hours doing the exploit in campaign.
No, I am just mad because in any other situation this would be viewed as pathetic and lame. I am honestly confused how GAF is condoning boosting/farming of credits. I know when the guy first posted about how to do the target designator glitch GAF went crazy and called him an idiot. Not to sure what has changed since then.McBradders said:
To sum it up it sucks that I will play the game it is meant to be played and earn the credits the way they were meant to be earned, and because of that I will likely always have a lower rank and it will take much longer for me to afford armor upgrades, etc.
Photolysis
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Devin Olsen said:
Can you devalue something that has no value to start with?
divisionbyzorro
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Diablohead said:
Tilt is enemy shields deflect bullets.
Devin Olsen said:
No, we called him an idiot because he used a controller mod to do it automatically without actually playing.
The Librarian
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Multiplier is going to be tough. I hardly get one double kill a game, even in BTB/Invasion, let alone 5.Shake Appeal said:
*looks at tank*
Why hello there...
Diablohead
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I understand your vent on the matter and outside of the time I tried it out for some easy credits I do wish it was impossible to do, it's a shame it was oversighted in the development of Reach to allow something like this to happen but I don't know of any way to fix it, once you hit onyx for splash damage (happens rather quickly) the income drops a ton down to nearly nothing. At least no one can really boost like that to lt. commander or whatever that top rank is.Devin Olsen said:
Might have been better for bungie to only reward credits for a completion of the act instead of pause & quit, or give no points for kills but a small sum at the end depending on the act, skulls used and total deaths, maybe.
Devin Olsen said:
Devin Olsen said:
You answered your own question. Because people want shiny upgrades, they will keep playing Reach. This is good for Bungie. Push shiny button, get food pellet!
As for your honorable code of videogame bushido, that's your own problem. Bungie already said they have no issue with people using methods that aren't actually cheating or hacking to acquire credits in whatever manner they see fit. Use it or don't, but don't bitch about other people doing it and then complaining that you are gaining your credits too slowly.
So do we have a concrete answer for PRECISELY what the Tilt skull does?
I always assumed that enemy damage is randomly more or less... like a grunt could take as much as an elite to kill and vice versa.
That right?
Edit, ok I googled it. Seems shields are just tougher to take down.
I always assumed that enemy damage is randomly more or less... like a grunt could take as much as an elite to kill and vice versa.
That right?
Edit, ok I googled it. Seems shields are just tougher to take down.
Tilt makes shields nearly unaffected by bullets, and bodies nearly unaffected by plasma
Basically it forces you to whore the PP/DMR combo even more than you do on legendary :lol
Yes, they already said they banned/reset credits on people doing actual exploits like that
They don't care about the stuff like the campaign cheese (there are some Bungie employee profiles with those medals maxed out)
Remember, commendation XP dries up, so abusing the checkpoint reload just maxes out those specific commendations and gets you some XP now that you'd get later anyway, assuming you continue to play the campaign.
If you want your shiny armor bits right nowwwwwwwww, keep an eye out for methods like that that let you maximize your rate of commendation completion, be it Gruntpocalypse farming or certain checkpoints in the campaign.
Basically it forces you to whore the PP/DMR combo even more than you do on legendary :lol
Shoogoo said:
Yes, they already said they banned/reset credits on people doing actual exploits like that
They don't care about the stuff like the campaign cheese (there are some Bungie employee profiles with those medals maxed out)
Remember, commendation XP dries up, so abusing the checkpoint reload just maxes out those specific commendations and gets you some XP now that you'd get later anyway, assuming you continue to play the campaign.
If you want your shiny armor bits right nowwwwwwwww, keep an eye out for methods like that that let you maximize your rate of commendation completion, be it Gruntpocalypse farming or certain checkpoints in the campaign.
Diablohead
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That method of farming is, yes.Shoogoo said:
I repeatedly feasted upon a vulnerable enemy's back on Nightfall for the 50 kill challenge. Completed it in about 7 minutes (along with the 40-kills-of-any-sort one).
Oh well, I'm going to hell anyway.
Oh well, I'm going to hell anyway.
On one hand, I agree with you. But on the other hand, I'm reminded of the blood, sweat, and tears shed to procure head coverings in the world's most famed hat simulator.Photolysis said:
Photolysis
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Devin Olsen said:
Then it's not a great design because the credits you earn are hardly improved at all by playing well, except for commendations which quickly become a drop in the ocean. And even then, half of them are for completely generic things anyway.
In multiplayer most of the credits you get are due to the length of the game. In campaign, most are due to kills. In some cases, style medals actually decrease the credits you get (kill a grunt in Firefight for 5 credits, or assassinate him for 2...?).
Why does it matter what anyone else does? It's their time, their XBL account, and their copy of the game.
It's a hook to try and keep certain parts of the player base for longer. Not a particularly great one, but one nevertheless.
The problem is that fundamentally, you earn credits too slow for simply playing "the way it is meant to be played" (which is actually almost impossible in half the playlists at the moment anyway). To actually gain the completely cosmetic changes is a bigger grind than you'll find in most MMOs, which will often give you cool, functional or fun items too.
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man I had a great set of games playing public last night. I decided to actively try and shoot slower with the DMR and wait for the bloom. Ended up going +9 in my best game, I was a massive pussy as well, actively using sprint to just take off if I caught a bullet in the back, run away, shields recharge, go back.
Then we got snipers GRRRRR went -3 or so immediately, then sorted my shit out and clawed back for a k/d spread of 0 with 9 kills. Which was some pretty hot shit performance on snipers for me.
couple of games went 50/49 or 48 all in our favour. AAaahhh when it goes great, this game is the best. Still avoiding Rumble pit until it's no longer infection pit, but what a blast.
Then we got snipers GRRRRR went -3 or so immediately, then sorted my shit out and clawed back for a k/d spread of 0 with 9 kills. Which was some pretty hot shit performance on snipers for me.
couple of games went 50/49 or 48 all in our favour. AAaahhh when it goes great, this game is the best. Still avoiding Rumble pit until it's no longer infection pit, but what a blast.
BlueScrote
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Hmm Don't think I'll be doing any of the challenges today. Maybe I should open up DR2. Or I can try and finish the campaign.
PedroLumpy
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Some guy boosting to get credits affects no one else but themselves. I hardly see what the big deal is. If you like going about the credit system 'as intended', great. But who cares how someone else goes about it. That's the great thing about Halo's progression system is that it doesn't unbalance the fuck out of the game.
The Librarian
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I'm getting that tilt challenge on Nightfall on Heroic. Gah. Such a fun level.
Diablohead
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Gruntpocalypse gives so much cR because of headshots, a kill is worth a few minor credits but a headshot is +5, and we all know how easy it is to pop grunt heads.
Assassinations give you 7 cR in a real matchmaking versus game, not worth the effort but at the same time not enough to farm.
Earning bonus credit for commendation feels just as random as the slot machine after each match, it's not really an indication in how good you are it's more to do with hanging back for kills instead of capping that flag / unit, which gives you no cR for doing so.
It makes me think that bungie could have thought about cR rewards a little better, the winning team earns no bonus credit right now.. why?
Assassinations give you 7 cR in a real matchmaking versus game, not worth the effort but at the same time not enough to farm.
Earning bonus credit for commendation feels just as random as the slot machine after each match, it's not really an indication in how good you are it's more to do with hanging back for kills instead of capping that flag / unit, which gives you no cR for doing so.
It makes me think that bungie could have thought about cR rewards a little better, the winning team earns no bonus credit right now.. why?
Zeouterlimits
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Bit broad for you to label HaloGAF as a whole Devin.
I think it's stupid and cheapens the system, but getting angry about it? People will be people. I'm sure Luke & Bungie knew what kind of play this was going to promote when they came up with the system.
I think it's stupid and cheapens the system, but getting angry about it? People will be people. I'm sure Luke & Bungie knew what kind of play this was going to promote when they came up with the system.
Chorazin said:
It's been brought up before, but at a distance, crouch. The accuracy increase for all weapons with bloom is insane, and because you stand up the instant you get hit, it's not much of a risk to use.
You can nearly spam the trigger on the DMR and stay laser accurate, can do exactly that with the NR, and the Magnum and AR become a lot more usable on targets at a distance (still need to burst fire the AR, but that's always true - it just recenters much, much faster)
edit: important, almost forgot - when scoping, the accuracy is basically increased by whatever the zoom multiplier is, so you're always more accurate while scoped
So crouched and scoped is your best bet for nailing long range kills.
Crouch: Retain more of your accuracy per shot, and recover lost accuracy more quickly, enabling faster firing.
Zoom: Shoot with more base accuracy, standing or crouching.
Diablohead
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One problem that might arise is people betraying you for the flag, but with the current betrayal system that should not be a problem...i'd hope.Willeth said:
I don't think there is a medal for caps, i've not notice one for invasion core captures.
Neuromancer
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People wouldn't boost if everything was unlocked from the beginning. That's what I would prefer but I must say I'm pretty addicted to the system in Reach. Gotta get those ODST shoulder pads and that wrist tactical pad.
Photolysis
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Diablohead said:
It's not random, it's just the values are so tiny that they're meaningless. A good player might get something like 50 more credits than a bad player.
Firefight gives you so many points because you get a lot of kills in a short amount of time, but also rack up plenty of multi kills. The scaling from skillful play isn't fantastic, but it's much larger than multiplayer. And most of it isn't for style, but simply being able to kill more enemies in a smaller amount of time.
This doesn't translate well to multiplayer because the number of kills is fairly low. Also, killing a Grunt gives about the same as killing a human player. It goes back to my comment above with the challenges, the challenge/reward weighting for multiplayer just isn't there.
divisionbyzorro
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KaYotiX said:
Agreed. And by letting people boost off of the campaign, Bungie wisely gave boosters an alternative outside of screwing up legitimate multiplayer games. I say good for them!
Devin Olsen said:
I don't understand the flak you're receiving on this Devin. I totally agree with you. I feel the ranking system is cheapened and can no longer can be used as a measure of someones time and investment in halo reach. getting ~600 credits a game means some dude with the 200,000 credit piece of armor worked his ass off. i respect that kind of commitment. knowing that people are farming credits to get the top armors simply to be the first to get the armor is a little lame.
this matters to some people, and it doesnt to others. its not life breaking, but it would have been cool if the original ideals of credits could have survived the life of the game.
electricpirate
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Shoogoo said:
As your rate of fire increases, the accuracy of you weapon degrades, and that is communicated to you via the size of your cross hairs.
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Devin Olsen said:
It's only pathetic and lame if the system has any meaning whatsoever, which it doesn't. It skews too heavily toward some modes rather than others thusly punishing players who want to just play how they want to. Why should they be excluded from a reasonable path to getting the shiny trinket they want? And why is there a massive hump from Warrant Officer to Captain?
Ranks have no relation to skill, just what you can buy. So at the end of the day its an utterly meaningless system on the grand ladder of Halo heirarchy whereas the Arena is far better qualifier for player skill which, I assume, is more important overall to anyone serious about their Halol.
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Go outta town for a day or two and this thread is at 27 pages. Crazy how fast it moves. There is no way I am gonna read all that. Did I miss anything important?
Calavera520
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Gruntpocalypse is almost too fun. I wish there were a variant with the sniper rifle and an unlimited clip. Also, unlimited firefight matchmaking would be amazing, hopefully that starts soon.
Loving firefight matchmaking, add me gt: mardini99, i'm on the east coast.
Loving firefight matchmaking, add me gt: mardini99, i'm on the east coast.
droppedbear
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Calavera520 said:
Personally I'm in love with Sniper Attack for solo matchmaking firefight, the only annoying round is the skirmishers but getting better at them (normally swap out a weapon for the nerfle against them). Most of the time as soon as possible I'll swap out my pistol for a Fuel Rod with unlimited ammo to have lots of fun
Edit: Anyone else leaving Reach on the main menu while doing other stuff just to hear Marty's magic playing in the background.
Shake Appeal
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Quit my first game, because I was getting Arena raped on Asylum. Two of my teammates quit and the other team took this as their cue to climb on top of the bases with neverending snipes. Back down in Bronze.
Diablohead
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squidhands
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I may try and party up to get the weekly challenge and the daily campaign challenge knocked out today. One of my major problems so far with Reach is my lack of time to play all aspects of the game. Forge sucks so much time from me it's ridiculous, and Score Attack is like a steady IV drip in my veins. I've barely touched multiplayer, and I just may end up waiting until the playlist update to even venture out.
so i'm about to finish my solo legendary run and i'm at the part where i have to
, any tips for that section? Like what's the best spot to hang around during that fight?
I already know about that
clear the landing zone for Keyes
I already know about that
hidden DMR rack that pops out when you melee the wall at the back of the upper building
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