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xxjuicesxx
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Zeouterlimits said:
Too out of control. A stick should be a death no matter what in competitive play, its too much of a sacrifice trying for one while being shot if you nail it it should count. They can just armorlock remove it...thats BS. I also doubt they would ever change the way armor lock works so not much can be done. I just feel its a bit overpowered compared to everything else besides maybe Sprint/Evade and its really random and gameplay changing to be in an Arena or a MLG loadout or competitive list.
Plus all the other shit it can do, deneedle, vehichle destroyer, melee winner, so on.
Edit.
Not really out of control I mean like too many variables. Like why I don't consider BTB to be competitive, there's way too much stuff going on thats out of your control, you don't have as much power over the game as you would like to bet on ya know?
Zeouterlimits
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So are we not agreed that it should be toned down in a remove it from Elite Slayer manner too?xxjuicesxx said:
Hypertrooper
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Elite slayer would be fun if there were only needler rifle + pp as a start weapon. :/ 'cause everyone is choosing the damn needler with AL or AC :/
xxjuicesxx
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Zeouterlimits said:
I never consider/ed Elite Slayer competitive, but yes if you were to make a more simplified Elite Slayer that is stripped down to settings that most reward characteristics that are considered to prove skill in Halo Reach, yes. :lol
I say let that gametype be crazy though.
Wheres the playlist!?
Zeouterlimits
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Argh.xxjuicesxx said:
I just really loved it in the beta...
No AL. Just Evade and Invis. Intense but blissful.
squidhands
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It also doesn't help when a Daily Challenge has you running around with an automatic weapon. Needless to say, it was the easiest challenge this side of just signing on with a bnet-linked account.Hypertrooper said:
Also, I don't get the hate for Cliffhanger. I've played a couple of TS games on it and rather enjoyed myself. Big thanks to Tashi for showing me The Way of the Hologram.
Ascension can go right back to Halo 2 where it belongs. bleh
Miggytronz
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oh man i cant wait to get home and try these maps out!
Shake Appeal
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My preferred AA since day one. I discovered its value on my first Legendary run of Nightfall in the Campaign and have stuck with it since.squidhands said:Big thanks to Tashi for showing me The Way of the Hologram.
So, i purchased the map pack. When does the download actually start?
I think in order to fix the issue with diluted playlist these are some things which should happen:
Living Dead/Rocket Race/Wacky Gametype X gets an Actionsack double cR weekend playlist.
Team Slayer and Team Objective combine to be Team Scrimmage/Training and some of you might be against that but honestly some of the best times I had in H2 were in Team Training and if people want their slayer only fix they should do it in Team Arena.
Team Sniper and Team SWAT combine into one playlist to make Team Precision, now I'm kinda iffy on this one cause while both playlist are about headshots they both provide different experiences cause of the weapons the player spawns with.
Living Dead/Rocket Race/Wacky Gametype X gets an Actionsack double cR weekend playlist.
Team Slayer and Team Objective combine to be Team Scrimmage/Training and some of you might be against that but honestly some of the best times I had in H2 were in Team Training and if people want their slayer only fix they should do it in Team Arena.
Team Sniper and Team SWAT combine into one playlist to make Team Precision, now I'm kinda iffy on this one cause while both playlist are about headshots they both provide different experiences cause of the weapons the player spawns with.
Shake Appeal
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I think you're onto something there, honestly. Kill Team Slayer, force people to get serious about it, improve the Arena population and experience for everyone.Plywood said:
Slightly Live
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Shake Appeal said:
DLC must be bringing out the crazy.
bobs...onGaf
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Shake Appeal said:
The Arena has a multitude of problems of its own, its low population speaks for itself, forcing people to play it wont help matters, your more likely to just people off Halo. :lol I would personally rather just go play black ops if the Arena was my only way to get my slayer fix.
Im a competative guy and I dislike the Arena because I think its a flawed system that brings out the worst in Halo gameplay. Imagine what people who hate ranked would think if that was there only option. :lol
Zeouterlimits said:
But theres a reason why the Arena is so low population. People dont like it, you cant just force the majority of people to play what they dont like in order to keep the LOW population that plays the Arena happy. :lol
Zeouterlimits
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I'd be in with that too to an extent. Arena could use a population boost/re-promotion, make it a better core part of MM.
xxjuicesxx
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Plywood said:
I like all three ideas.
Shake Appeal
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Y'all need to play Arena more! It's the best playlist!
The problem with combining Team Slayer and Objective, of course, is that no one will ever vote for Objective gametypes.
The problem with combining Team Slayer and Objective, of course, is that no one will ever vote for Objective gametypes.
CrazedArabMan
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Ugh, I really don't know if I want to get a 1600 points card just to fill up the 20 points I need for the map as money right now is tight with school, choices suck. :/
Hydranockz
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I really do. I don't know why I haven't been playing it. Possibly because I never know if I can squeeze in enough games.Shake Appeal said:
The Lamonster
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TODAY IS THE DAY!!!
I fucking love Halo DLC.
I fucking love Halo DLC.
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
So rumor has it that 343 is remaking Halo CE. Sorry if already posted. Post over at HBO about it.
Miggytronz
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Calm Killer said:
oh sheit
electricpirate
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Arena is such a different beast than traditional ranked play lists in Halo, and trying to force team slayer players into it would just break it IMO. Imagine if the playlists of halo 3 had forced everyone into MLG if they wanted to play team slayer? seriously, shit would just be broken.
What I'd rather have is 3 tiers, Team casual (Mix of slayer and objective modes), Team Slayer (current form) Team Arena (current form).
Removing Team slayer would probably create the greatest backlash in the history of Halo :lol.
What I'd rather have is 3 tiers, Team casual (Mix of slayer and objective modes), Team Slayer (current form) Team Arena (current form).
Removing Team slayer would probably create the greatest backlash in the history of Halo :lol.
Slightly Live
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Not bad.
Calm Killer said:
Never heard that rumour before.
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Why the heck do folks give any weight to this remake crap? Every week it's the same deal. Same rumour, same unnamed BS sources. Same 12 year olds hearing it for the first time and telling everyone on Bnet. Le sigh.
CrazedArabMan
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aesop said:
I'm not gonna give MS my CR number or I would.
Brolic Gaoler
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Downloading maps now, probably won't be able to check them out till Thursday.
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
Dani said:
Wu posted it so I relayed it. That is all.
bobs...onGaf
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Consider me extremely unexcited about a Halo 1 remake, its clear that they would change the fundamentals of the game and what I loved about it then wouldnt be present. Halo 1 with a new sandbox!?? HELL NO!
If they gave us a straight port of the multiplayer as a xbox live game I would be overjoyed though. Unfortunatly if they just gave us a straight port they would get a lot of hate for it by non Halo people, so I doubt they will do that. Theyre probably gonna end up changing a bunch of stuff.
If they gave us a straight port of the multiplayer as a xbox live game I would be overjoyed though. Unfortunatly if they just gave us a straight port they would get a lot of hate for it by non Halo people, so I doubt they will do that. Theyre probably gonna end up changing a bunch of stuff.
squidhands
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I think it'll definitely be my staple AA. Last week's Weekly Challenge got me hooked into multiplayer, and so far I'm enjoying myself and the awesomeness that is 'search by skill'. I'm loving the constant response to my fake self running toward an enemy; it gives me that edge that I so desperately need.NOKYARD said:
Well first off, MLG has objective gametypes as well as slayer.electricpirate said:
Next, as for having 3 tiers that just goes back to diluting playlist while Team Slayer, Objective and all the other playlist are under the moniker of "Competitive" and while ranks are still there but hidden I don't always feel like I'm competing, especially when I get matched every now and then against some guy and his guest.
The way I see it is we have to be realistic about the low player count on Reach and wasn't Team Training one of the more populated playlist in H2?
bobs...onGaf
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So can I go into matchmaking and get some of the new achivements like long range DMR kill without the map pack?
bobs...onGaf
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Zel3 said:
Thanks, I was gonna go into BTB and try and get a few out of the way. Guess ill just wait.
Blue Ninja
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I met the requirements for two of them this morning, but I didn't get anything. Do you need to have the maps for them to unlock?Gui_PT said:
electricpirate
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Plywood said:
That's correct, but outside of that, the playlists fee[l pretty damn similar. Limited weapon sets, limited abilities, all DMRs, no radar. It's a pretty different experience than standard slayer. The outlook and behavior of the players are pretty similar in game too.
For the record, I fucking hate Arena's scoring system though. It prompts a ton of bad behavior, and not being able to have "Arena MLG" is going to be a major mistake.
Good points here, so I'm going to modify my proposal a bit.
First of all, in terms of Reach's population, it has a higher population than Halo 3 at this point in it's lifespan, Urk confirmed as much on Bungie.net (sidenote, Halo 3 in game showed the players in the last 24 hours, not current players, which is why reach appears to have lower player counts, even though it's higher). So the issue isn't overall player count, but player concentration, and where the playlists seperate from each other.
Currrently Reach has 15 Multiplayer playlists (I'm going to exclude co-op for now)
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Available 11.30.2010
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RUMBLE PIT
4,608 Players
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LIVING DEAD
1,684 Players
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TEAM SLAYER
12,925 Players
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TEAM SWAT
6,317 Players
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TEAM SNIPERS
1,898 Players
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TEAM OBJECTIVE
884 Players
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MULTI TEAM
3,325 Players
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BIG TEAM BATTLE
4,876 Players
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INVASION
2,604 Players
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TEAM ARENA
1,592 Players
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DOUBLES ARENA
1,540 PlayersThe massive concentration of players is in Slayer based playlists. Team Slayer, Swat, and snipers are 35% of the total playlist concentration. That group can afford to be broken up a bit without much of a hit to playlist times/matchmaking quality.
Now, while the level of competition is higher in those playlists than in Halo 3's unranked slayer, there are things that make it less competitive. A few wacky gametypes (Elite slayer...) and playing with/against guests.
So instead of needlessly consolidating slayer, let's figure out how we can get some of those slayer players into some other playlists to even out the population. First, let's make slayer a no guest playlist. Now those players are going to need somewhere to go, so we can create your "Team Training" playlist with some off the wackier gametypes, plus the best of the objective and slayer lists. Loosen up trueskill parameters, and I think it would work nicely.
The issue with this plan is team Objective as it gets the shaft here, and it's player count is riding the line. I'd suggest credit bonuses for playing it/grabbing objectives, and loosening trueskill to reduce matchmaking times.
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