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Report: Disney seizing more control over Marvel Studios. Scrapping/re-writing script
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Sektor on a date
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I'm willing to bet that while Whedon's contract with Marvel is up in 2015. He will be back to direct Avengers 3.
There's not much hope when knowing that the only properties that ever managed to escape the tentacles of Disney were the Anaheim Ducks (due to the 2005 NHL lockout bleeding Disney's war chest) and the Power Rangers (partially because of the Marvel acquisition, and even then, turns out the Neo-Saban era is even worse than the Disney era due to absolute creative incompetence; ironically considering the subject here, Disney gave complete creative freedom to the final Power Rangers season under their control as a mean of saying "fuck it"... looks like we must bleed Marvel dry if the case here is true)
Otherwise, when you become Disney, you never unbecome Disney. Cut off the Ducks, the Muppets and Marvel have taken its place; cut off the Power Rangers, Star Wars and Maker Studios have taken its place. Hail Disney.
Rastafarian42
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Lmfao we need some Suge Gifs with Zack's head on it.
That doesn't mean he won't renew his contract for Avengers 3. What they seem to be suggesting here is that he is done with Marvel entirely post Age of Ultron, which I have never seen reported anywhere.
Batman looks good, news of Goyer's role being reduced seems good, actors are all good. Hard not to be hyped for it.
Hyperbole and connecting imaginary dots fuels blogs.
Future Foundation
Member
It actually doesn't.
Everything that I've seen and heard about the movie sound pretty damn entertaining. I was a bit skeptical until I sat in on one of the meetings.
Sektor on a date
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Maybe Disney is behind the Bryan Singer accusations too? Probably sweating bullets now that he's back in command of the X-Men franchise
Never forget Galactus gas cloud.
entremet
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I found DOFP much better than MCU stuff of late, but I found FC a bit of a letdown.
Black-Wind
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... Not sure how?
I mean, GoTG is getting praise and hype out the ass because of how interesting and new it is to the reg Marvel stuff. I can only see it affecting how they deal with these kinda directors if it blows and does poorly ... and it's not out yet.
If anything it seems like proof that maybe this guy couldn't handle a project of this scale and they lost faith in him. Gunn talks about how everything is so different and new dealing with a project of this scope and how it's hard going from his normal stuff to making a movie with this big with CGI characters ... that has to LOOK good (been a loong time since Scooby days).
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Just back from DoFP for a second time.
These stories pique my interest.
These stories pique my interest.
X-Men is a second tier comics franchise when it comes to box office returns (which is the only thing Disney cares about). Days of Future Past will not change that.
peanutbutterlatte
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People were saying that about Iron Man in 2005, people were saying it about Guardians of the Galaxy in 2008. That's not nearly good enough an excuse in my eyes, and it's a poor argument besides.
Sektor on a date
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I'm reading Bendis's run
I will read the DnA run after I finish Annihilation Conquest and its dozen prerequisites
Black-Wind
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Maybe Disney somehow tricked Zack into making Sucker Punch so that the general public's opinion on him would affect how they see his Man of Murder movie as just piss poor boring destruction porn?!?
They knew he was being eyed for that, they ran the loooong con!
Bendis' Run is not true to the comics.
While it's obvious that this is a possibility, it's also as obvious someone could have concocted this as a convenient explanation for recent events. Not to mention this is all after-the-fact. If there's anything people who like comic book movies should know, it's that you shouldn't believe everything you read until it's corroborated from a primary source. I put as much weight on this as I do the World War Hulk rumours.
GotG seems to be getting amazing reception by non-fans when I'm in the theatre. The trailers are doing pretty good on the internet too, caused a lot of buzz for the 2nd one especially. What are you on about?
crimsonspider89
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Yeah. There is your problem. IN Gunn's words, don't read that one. Read DnA's run. If any.
This is hilarious. Not that I don't think executives wouldn't meddle, because that's kind of what they do but now Disney is the big bad in all of this. Marvel is now under danger of churning out 'homogenized and flat' movies. I don't know what movies these blind ass people been seeing, but that's kind of the status quo with these kind of movies. Marvel has made eight movies before Winter Soldier, and they only managed to make two of them of any real quality whereas the rest were basically flat or forgettable. Disney is going to make a real blow to the integrity of these kind of movies, I'm sure.
Maybe Disney had a spy infiltrate Sony HQ and hire in the Sony execs who demanded Sam Raimi to forcibly shoehorn Sandman, Venom and Goblin all in Spider-Man 3 so that the movie would shit the bed?Maybe Disney somehow tricked Zack into making Sucker Punch so that the general public's opinion on him would affect how they see his Man of Murder movie as just piss poor boring destruction porn?!?
They knew he was being eyed for that, they ran the loooong con!
I know it's anachronistic.
Depends, is Bryan Singer going to direct every Marvel movie? No? Then let's not pretend that the X-Men series didn't have a string of shit to mediocre films.
Sektor on a date
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Just because Gunn says that doesn't mean he is the final authority on GoTG.
I've read Giffen's Drax miniseries and Annhiliation and the way Drax looks and is portrayed in the trailers is bad. In the comics he is basically like Riddick mixed with martian manhunter but in the film he looks and acts like some crazy goofy guy. Gamorah looks nothing like she does in the comics and it would have been very simple to make her look accurate (I'm not talking about clothing but actual look) and don't even get me started on the Nova corps.
crimsonspider89
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Drax...is crazy.
He hasn't acted Goofy at all but all serious and angry.
Gamora looks extremely like she does.
You do realize those are the lower corps? There are different ranking members. Those are the worthless grunts.
Black-Wind
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1- IronMan's power (the Suit) is at least relatable. When people think about becoming a bad ass human tank they think of body armor. IDK how many dream of becoming tiny as anything other than some perverse spying thing.
2- IronMan was NOT well known or liked by the public .... but it took a perfect storm more-or-less to make it happen. The prefect casting, the prefect Script, the directing and so on as ALL part of what made it a success. That COULD be why Marvel pulled this guy ... something wasn't going right and they knew they didn't everything to be right for this to do well given he is a lame ass hero with a power normal people don't fantasize about. We really don't know.
As for GoTG ... people don't think they're lame, they just don't know anything about them. It's kinda like the difference between "AquaMan Movie!" and "Agents of H.A.T.E ...?". It's risker than the normal stuff but really it's a space opera for today's crowd and Space Operas are a known thing to the public. IMO at least ... seems easier to pull off than a super hero flick staring "HISTK" powers.
ThatObviousUser
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This question was answered in 2003 with X2 and again in 2004 with Spider-Man 2. We don't "need" the MCU and never have, but their cinematic universe is still exciting and for the most part consistently enjoyable. We certainly "need" the MCU more than another Batman flick, for instance.
That's not exactly how it went. If I recall correctly, Disney/Marvel and Norton came to some kind of agreement where Norton was hired as actor and writer. The only reason Norton became 'pissy' during the production was because of the lead writer Zak Penn getting sole writing credits, even though Norton had made some serious changes to the plot (again, as was discussed in his contract).
The 'bad blood' between Norton and Disney/Marvel came to be when they started the casting for The Avengers and decided that they didn't want Ed Norton to come back without letting Norton know of this decision. So when the word came out that they were looking for a new actor for Bruce Banner, while Ed Norton had stated that he would love to come back, of course Norton was more than a little upset.
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Imaginationland released a sweet trailer.
unpopularblargh
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The first paragraph is half right while the second is all wrong.
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-truth-about-edward-norton-vs-marvel/
I enjoyed it more than Iron Man, Avengers and Cap 2, the only good Marvel movies. The rest are mediocre or bad (hello Thor and IM2&3)
Marvel is not pushing out gold each time, even though people like to act as if they do.
And yeah I'm not sure third time is the charm on FF either. No one seems to get the comic.
From Gunn's comments especially, I can imagine Wright's vision for the movie being really interesting but not in-keeping with the shared universe. I still hope that a new director can deliver on it being a heist movie and being suitably different to the rest of Marvel's output, but stylistically keeping it a little more low-key. It's a shame things didn't work out, but I don't think it's quite the drama that it seemed to be at first.
21st century cowboy
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The script has been pretty much the same for the last 6 years. Wright told empire magazine this about 3 months ago. The only thing that he and cornish had to change was tying it into the Mix, nothing major.
If Disney weren't happy they shouldn't have given it a date and gone into per production. Imagine wasting all that time and energy and then getting funked over just before your about to essentially finish it by shooting.
a secret-boss
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sigh casual comic "fan" ok with Fox's movies
i guess they r fine with
Deadpool having cyclops powers from Wolverine Origin.
Shadow Cat have time travel powers
Silver Samurai robot
oh yeah the New Fantastic Four that's coming out.
right who needs Marvel Studio movies. lol
i guess they r fine with
Deadpool having cyclops powers from Wolverine Origin.
Shadow Cat have time travel powers
Silver Samurai robot
oh yeah the New Fantastic Four that's coming out.
right who needs Marvel Studio movies. lol
Well, I only told it how I remembered it and I was a little fuzzy on the details, so it's inevitable I got some stuff wrong. But I do remember Norton being seriously pissed at Disney for replacing him in Avengers.
Choppasmith
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Yeah, it baffles me too. "Thor and Iron Man 3 are terrible lol" Compared to WHAT exactly? I mean, different opinions and all but I think some people just have some really bizarre standards.
Mighty Chin
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Marvel should get out of the Movie Business. Phase 3 is gonna bomb so hard.
What was wrong with Iron Man 3? That is the best superhero movie made so far.
DoFP is a good X Men movie, almost the best. (X2 to me, still the best one.) but over Winter Soldier? Nope.
Better than Thor 2, ASM2 and Wolverine? Maybe.
Also
2006: "Making a movie about Iron Man? Who's he? He sounds lame."
2009: "Making a movie about Thor? Who's he? He sounds lame."
2012: "Making a movie about Guardians of the Galaxy? Who're they? They sound lame."
2014: "Making a movie about Antman? Who's he? He sounds lame."
Every fucking time...
Better than Thor 2, ASM2 and Wolverine? Maybe.
Also
2006: "Making a movie about Iron Man? Who's he? He sounds lame."
2009: "Making a movie about Thor? Who's he? He sounds lame."
2012: "Making a movie about Guardians of the Galaxy? Who're they? They sound lame."
2014: "Making a movie about Antman? Who's he? He sounds lame."
Every fucking time...
This doesn't make a ton of sense to me, why does them being good/bad have to be dependent on other movies?
Messofanego
Banned
Yup, always a garbage argument which makes for fun crow-eating hindsight. If the movie is great ("who knew I'd love a movie about a raccoon shooting guns?"), doesn't matter if it plays into someone's hero fantasy. Not everyone wants homogeneity, which is probably why Guardians of the Galaxy is being made. If it weren't for James Gunn's involvement, I wouldn't have been excited, and people like me are just a tiny cult crowd.
The test footage for Ant Man completely sold me, that would have been a cool ass action movie. Who cares whether it's a cool power or not, as long as it works for the movie, that's all that matters in the end for me.
Who ... ever said this? Seriously?
unpopularblargh
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Sorry if I came off as a dick. Its just that people constantly trash Norton based on false and mostly incorrect information and ignore the way Marvel mis-treated him.
MisterHero
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This is dumb. Studios make $200 milion successes/bombs all the time that aren't related to superheroes.
alfredofroylan
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IronMan and Thor are characters that a big portion of the population recognites (granted they don't know their stories, enemies or current situation in the comic book world), heck we even got an IronMan cartoon in the 90's so that's not a fair comparison.
The Technomancer
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Uhm, what? Growing up I knew who Spider Man, Batman, Superman and the Green Lantern were. I vaguely knew who Captain America was. I had never heard of Iron Man or Thor and I absolutely know I'm not alone in that
I don't think he was so much pissed about not being in the movie as he was about Marvel's reasoning for it. Publicly lambasting him for not being a team player and needing someone more cooperative in the role was an unusually harsh PR move.
It really went both ways. On the one hand, Norton probably deserved screenwriter credit for overhauling Pen's script, especially if Marvel had told him he'd get it. On the other hand, Norton was demanding final cut and refusing to promote the movie without it, which is both dickish and also way and above his job anyway. But back on the first hand, Norton's cut would have almost definitely created a better movie.
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