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[-ImaginaryInsider]

I think the trouble with people trying to look to pure logic to try and wave away the suggestion that things are starting sour behind the scenes is that we know for a fact that in big businesses, such things happen all the time. It's not unheard of, it's not even unusual. It's something I think everyone really hopes wouldn't happen especially when it looks like the status quo is successful, but that doesn't mean people will leave it alone. That's probably the saddest part.

Yeah, in a post-Avengers world, it's not hard believe that the higher-ups would not take more notice and want to have more control over a billion dollar franchise. Look at how the Avengers have affected DC franchises, they are going from a moderately successful relaunch of Superman straight to a pre-JLA movie in a mad dash to have their own Avengers-style cash cow.

 

[ZoddGutts]

Yeah Pixar has been so horrible since Disney bought them (eye rolling)

Ratatouille June 29, 2007 --> Academy Award
WALL-E June 27, 2008 --> Academy Award
Up May 29, 2009 --> Academy Award
Toy Story 3 June 18, 2010 --> Highest grossing Pixar movie of all time / Academy Award
Brave June 22, 2012 --> Academy Award

We are all doomed as Marvel slides into the shitter /sarcasm

Brave lol.

 

[Pikawil]

Brave June 22, 2012 --> Academy Award

We are all doomed as Marvel slides into the shitter /sarcasm

We like to talk about Brave's Oscar win just as much as we like to talk about Crash beating Brokeback Mountain.

And then Monster University got snubbed for next year's Oscars anyhoo even despite its efforts to not be a total Cars 2-level car crash.

 

[Byakuya769]

Marvel Studios has its own Last Stand in Thor: The Dark World. First Patty Jenkins was kicked off the project in pre-production then Alan Taylor was kicked out of the editing bay in post-production.

And that ended up better than the first.

 

[Snaku]

The last time a director was kicked out and another was brought to replace him in a comic book movie in production we got this turd:

Singer wasn't kicked out, he left the franchise to do Superman Returns, and Fox didn't feel like waiting on him.

 

[alfredofroylan]

Yeah Pixar has been so horrible since Disney bought them (eye rolling)

Ratatouille June 29, 2007 --> Academy Award
WALL-E June 27, 2008 --> Academy Award
Up May 29, 2009 --> Academy Award
Toy Story 3 June 18, 2010 --> Highest grossing Pixar movie of all time / Academy Award
Brave June 22, 2012 --> Academy Award

We are all doomed as Marvel slides into the shitter /sarcasm

All the movies up to Toy Story 3 were in progress before the company completed the merging. Brave is in my opinion not as good and quite franckly Wreck-It Ralph was better

 

[SargerusBR]

Was that the last time that happened. Or was that the first one you thought was relevant? And really is that what really happened?

FOX wanted Singer to do X3, but he went to do Superman Returns instead, so Matthew Vaughn was hired to direct X3 but he left during pre-production because family issues and FOX kept putting pressure on him to release the movie as fast as possible, then Brett Ratner was hired to assume the director chair.

 

[Chuck]

Latino Review has the story here

oh my gentle jesus...

I don't have words anymore to express my disbelief in anyone taking this consistently wrong source as anything but a bunch of fucking liars. I seriously can't believe it anymore.

 

[Sanke__]

Not surprising.

I think we all knew it wouldn't be long before Disney started screwing things up.

I just hoped they could restrain themselves through the avengers 3 but I guess they will only make it through avengers 2
I just know better Ant-man than guardians of the galaxy
Sorry

 

[y2dvd]

This worries me but Disney unfortunately has say over Fiege. Disney may even move Cap3's release date even if Fiege wanted to go head to head with Batman v Superman. I wonder how long Disney has had creative control over Fiege. I mean, if he was batting for Wright, the script obviously satisfied his overall vision. Why would Disney interfere now when this man have been producing big hits?

 

[mreddie]

This worries me but Disney unfortunately has say over Fiege. Disney may even move Cap3's release date even if Fiege wanted to go head to head with Batman v Superman. I wonder how long Disney has had creative control over Fiege. I mean, if he was batting for Wright, the script obviously satisfied his overall vision. Why would Disney interfere now when this man have been producing big hits?

Which is why all this "Disney muscling in" stuff sounds fishy to me.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Well guess it is true.

Fuck. Really Disney?

Let Marvel do there thing.

Or you going to have John Carter bombs...brah.

 

[markatisu]

All the movies up to Toy Story 3 were in progress before the company completed the merging. Brave is in my opinion not as good and quite franckly Wreck-It Ralph was better

Whether you think the DIsney helmed movie is better is irrelevant, the way people are acting Pixar was bought by Disney totally destroyed and all their movies have sucked since.

Pixar was bought by Disney and basically merged into it, which is why you see Pixar influence in things like Wreck It Ralph. Same thing will happen with Marvel

The Marvel movies might not be as "cool" or "cutting edge" as the 1st Phase but they won't be Sony level of Amazing Spiderman shittastic either

 

[ZackieChan]

All the movies up to Toy Story 3 were in progress before the company completed the merging. Brave is in my opinion not as good and quite franckly Wreck-It Ralph was better

So the company that is supposedly ruining Pixar made a better film than Pixar?

DAMN YOU DISNEY!!!

 

[alfredofroylan]

So the company that is supposedly ruining Pixar made a better film than Pixar?

DAMN YOU DISNEY!!!

Don't forget Tangled, wich is still better than Wreck-It Ralph

 

[Future Foundation]

The last time a director was kicked out and another was brought to replace him in a comic book movie in production we got this turd:

If I remember correctly, Singer left to do Superman Returns. And his first replacement was (I believe) Matthew Vaughn, who also left of his own free will.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

It's hard to say who is responsible for what, but Pixar doing more sequels/spinoffs feels more "Disney" than previous Pixar efforts, and Star Wars having at least 3 spinoff movies in the works to be released in between a new trilogy sounds like it's in service of selling action figures more than taking the time to create quality movies.

 

[Delta Assault]

And that ended up better than the first.

I say thee nay.

 

[Serrato]

And that ended up better than the first.

Nope. At least the first one Thor did something!

 

[Messypandas]

Thor 2 being better than the first really wouldn't be saying much anyway

 

[Averon]

Not surprised at all.

Movie executives have a long history of fucking up films because of their ego. They have a propensity to think that they know better than the director, actors, producers, etc...

No doubt a Disney exec sees how hot the Marvel movie properties are and think they can do it better.

 

[The Hermit]

this is sad as shit

I wanted Ant- man so much

 

[richiek]

Well guess it is true.

Fuck. Really Disney?

Let Marvel do there thing.

Or you going to have John Carter bombs...brah.

This is why I'm not confident at all with Disney handling the Star Wars franchise.

 

[BlackNMild2k1]

I don't know what to make if this report, but it takes a range of emotions to express how it makes me feel, and none of then are good.

THIS is why we can't have good things.

This shit better not be true. Too good to stay good I guess.

 

[brian577]

So Disney ordering the ousting of a director who's been working on a movie for 8 years=End of Marvel? Please.

I get it sets a dangerous precedent but this movie has had a troubled production for years. Sooner or later the higher ups are going to have to step in for better or worse.

 

[Anth0ny]

Saw this coming.

It was fun while it lasted.

 

[alfredofroylan]

So Disney ordering the ousting of a director who's been working on a movie for 8 years=End of Marvel? Please.

I get it sets a dangerous precedent but this movie has had a troubled production for years. Sooner or later the higher ups are going to have to step in for better or worse.

Nah it isn't, but Disney has this cicles with regular to awful movies (before Tangled we got Meet the Robinson wich was forgettable, Bolt wich was bleh and Mars need moms wich was an atrocity) I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel enters into a slump in the future.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

And that ended up better than the first.

If you were looking for a movie where Kat Dennings made hilarious off the wall jokes 24/7 (even while the entirety of existence was ending) then yes, The Dark World was better.

 

[brian577]

Nah it isn't, but Disney has this cicles with regular to awful movies (before Tangled we got Meet the Robinson wich was forgettable, Bolt wich was bleh and Mars need moms wich was an atrocity) I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel enters into a slump in the future.

Speak for yourself, I loved that movie. Speaking of, said movie also had a troubled production and IMO turned out just fine. Lasseter made the right decision removing Sanders from the project. And some would call 2013 a slump year for Marvel.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

This is why I'm not confident at all with Disney handling the Star Wars franchise.

Kevin Feige is no Kathleen Kennedy
Edgar Wright is no JJ Abrams

It's all about weight and how you throw it.

Stop looking at the labels and start checking the ingredients. Stop acting like Studios aren't just a collective of executives, and start looking at the INDIVIDUALS who make decisions, and maybe you'll stop being confused as to why corporations do the things they do.

WHO at Fox is making certain calls? WHO at Disney is saying certain things? WHO at Paramount said such and such to so and so?

Studios aren't like sports teams, and even if they were, Sports fans at least know enough to find out what executives are actually signing the checks.

75% of the people who talk "Marvel," "Fox," "Disney," etc. couldn't tell you a SINGLE executive making calls or signing checks at any of those companies.

 

[nomis]

oh my gentle jesus...

I don't have words anymore to express my disbelief in anyone taking this consistently wrong source as anything but a bunch of fucking liars. I seriously can't believe it anymore.

This sentiment about Latino Review as one entity that's 100% off base 100% of the time is starting to get older than studio executive meddling.

And I don't like or read Latino Review very much at all.

 

[alfredofroylan]

Speak for yourself, I loved that movie. Speaking of, said movie also had a troubled production and IMO turned out just fine. Lasseter made the right decision removing Sanders from the project. And some would call 2013 a slump year for Marvel.

My problem with Bolt was the main character (yep Bolt itself) the rest of the characters were funnier and far more interesting IMO, BTW I forgot Chicken Little, can't remember much of said movie except for the teaser with the Dragostea song.

 

[Father_Brain]

Marvel Studios has its own Last Stand in Thor: The Dark World. First Patty Jenkins was kicked off the project in pre-production then Alan Taylor was kicked out of the editing bay in post-production.

TDW was nowhere near pre-production when Jenkins exited, as far as I know.

 

[Pikawil]

Lasseter made the right decision removing Sanders from the project.

Yes, Lasseter absolutely made the right decision: by sacking Sanders from Disney, he indirectly started paving the path for How To Train Your Dragon.

 

[Mario007]

And that ended up better than the first.

That's not exactly saying much.

Whether you think the DIsney helmed movie is better is irrelevant, the way people are acting Pixar was bought by Disney totally destroyed and all their movies have sucked since.

Pixar was bought by Disney and basically merged into it, which is why you see Pixar influence in things like Wreck It Ralph. Same thing will happen with Marvel

The Marvel movies might not be as "cool" or "cutting edge" as the 1st Phase but they won't be Sony level of Amazing Spiderman shittastic either

Well all we'll really miss is that one good movie each phase. Its not like Marvel has been churning out "cutting edge" movies all the time.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

That's not exactly saying much.

Well all we'll really miss is that one good movie each phase. Its not like Marvel has been churning out "cutting edge" movies all the time.

I like more of the Marvel movies than I don't, and I own quite a few.

But the only thing "Cutting Edge" about Marvel Studios is their willingness to apply comics- styled continuity to their product.

And even THAT isnt cutting edge, because they're simply taking a business model that's existed for DECADES in publishing, and applying it to their films.

The main reason people regard Marvel as even remotely "Revolutionary" has nothing to do with the quality of their films, and everything to do with mapping the comics unified unverse to the world of film.

Aside from that risk (which was in fact a pretty big risk) everything else they're doing is pretty tested & proven. They're mitigating their big risk by playing everything else mostly safe - and luckily, that's resulted in pretty enjoyable movies for the most part, if not great, transcendent cinema.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Thor 2 being better than the first really wouldn't be saying much anyway

Well it would be saying it did better than the first.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Saw this coming.

It was fun while it lasted.

Awwww

 

[ThatObviousUser]

If I remember correctly, Singer left to do Superman Returns. And his first replacement was (I believe) Matthew Vaughn, who also left of his own free will.

It came after a year of Rothman doing fuck all and yanking Singer's chain around, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[Mighty Chin]

If you were looking for a movie where Kat Dennings made hilarious off the wall jokes 24/7 (even while the entirety of existence was ending) then yes, The Dark World was better.

Oh no levity!

 

[Hex]

I'm confused, I could swear that I was told that Disney / Marvel was the holy land and everybody should throw them spiderman x-men and everything else because they can do no wrong.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

FOX wanted Singer to do X3, but he went to do Superman Returns instead, so Matthew Vaughn was hired to direct X3 but he left during pre-production because family issues and FOX kept putting pressure on him to release the movie as fast as possible, then Brett Ratner was hired to assume the director chair.

The first part of this is wrong. Singer wanted to do X3 badly. He waited on Rothman and Fox to sort out his deal for more than a year before WB came knocking for Superman.

 

[Pikawil]

I'm confused, I could swear that I was told that Disney / Marvel was the holy land and everybody should throw them spiderman x-men and everything else because they can do no wrong.

When the corruption and wrongness spreads from within the holy land, no one is sure anymore.

 

[BadAss2961]

If any director wanna be a director and don't want to worry about the executive producer being all in the script...all in the editing room...writin' notes...come to Warner Bros!

NeoGAF ain't got no love for Zack Snyder and Warner Bros?! And DC?!?

This was pretty good.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Yeah, the Source Awards riff is one of the best things I've seen in one of these Marvel thread in awhile.

 

[Fiktion]

This is a nightmare.

 

[injurai]

Aside from that risk (which was in fact a pretty big risk) everything else they're doing is pretty tested & proven. They're mitigating their big risk by playing everything else mostly safe - and luckily, that's resulted in pretty enjoyable movies for the most part, if not great, transcendent cinema.

I've definitely experience something new in cinema with MCU, but that is some high praise.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I've definitely experience something new in cinema with MCU, but that is some high praise.

No, I'm saying Marvel ISN'T great, transcendent cinema. I'm not saying that it's achieved such a level.

Sorry. I worded that awkwardly.

edit: For what it's worth, I think the Marvel Studios movies that are legitimately good AS MOVIES, not just superhero films:

Captain America
The Avengers
Iron Man Three
Captain America: The Winter Soldier

 

[Anth0ny]

If any director wanna be a director and don't want to worry about the executive producer being all in the script...all in the editing room...writin' notes...come to Warner Bros!

 

[Mario007]

No, I'm saying Marvel ISN'T great, transcendent cinema. I'm not saying that it's achieved such a level.

Sorry. I worded that awkwardly.

edit: For what it's worth, I think the Marvel Studios movies that are legitimately good AS MOVIES, not just superhero films:

Captain America
The Avengers
Iron Man Three
Captain America: The Winter Soldier

I'm on the phone so have to keep this short but I sort of agree with you. Having said that the only risk I see Marvel taking is Avengers. Having a post credits scene and Coulson isn't exactly too risky for the movies. Now Avengers was a big risk but Whedon pulled it off and Marvel is reaping the rewards now with phase 2 movies. I mean how else could a movie like Thor 2 do so well.

I don't agree with you on great MCU movies though. My list is:

Ironman
Avengers

I haven't seen Cap2 yet though.