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[Phoenician_Viking]

I don´t understand Disney´s logic at all with this. Marvel is making them a shit tonne of money, they should be left to do their own thing, or Disney would be risking the marvel IP´s becoming becoming uninteresting to people.

 

[Nerdkiller]

Yup. Knew something like this was going to happen. Even Cracked did an article about this the year before in how they compared it to the New Hollywood era.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20406_5-reasons-superhero-movies-are-bubble-that-will-soon-burst.html

 

[akira28]

How idiotic can you be to change somethings that is immensely profitable on its own.

you'd have to be Disney-dumb, which they've shown time and time again, that they are. Suck the blood out and put the remains in the freezer with Walt.

So what's the change. Did it go from a sardonic hero "heist movie" to a 'meet the quirky but lovable anti-hero, Ant-Man.' Sounds like they want to pull a Warner Brothers and make all their comic movies suck.

 

[Parallax]

Nah. Wright was what made an Ant-Man movie seem interesting, especially as he remained involved for so long. It seemed like there would be some real vision there.

Now it is just another IP they have to use because they already spent too much money. I'd rather they work on an IP more suited to a standard Hollywood approach. Moon Knight or something. I really don't find myself excited at the possibility that they will just use Ant-Man to take another crack at what they did with Iron Man 1.

to you maybe. ant man is what made an ant man movie interesting to me.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

This article is ridiculous to the point of absurdity...especially if they believe anything that LR says.

They've been right on Marvel more often than not. Most recently they had a description of the GoTG trailer weeks before it was released.

 

[Penguin]

I think the folks saying "It makes them a ton of money, why mess with it" are looking at it from the opposite point of view.

It makes them a lot of money so they probably want to mess with it so that every film looks and feels the same. "Well this made a billion dollars, we'll just copy/paste the formula with this character and should do the same"

I mean that sounds like what they want to go for. And from a business standpoint it makes sense. Follow the guidelines from the ones that do well.

 

[echoshifting]

Sounds so stupid it could be true.

1. Make next wave of Marvel Movies as homogenized as possible
2. When their number starts to fall, make even more changes.
3. Blame Franchise Fatigue
4. Reboot!

Fixed because obviously

 

[crimsonspider89]

You know what I get annoyed by? People not reading a thread.

The DD director is still on as an advisor and Deknight is directing.

So no executive interference there.

Now we just have to wait. Pretty sure someone close to Wright will be picked up.

And the other portion will be proven wrong.

 

[Slayven]

except people are jumping off the deep end for results they know nothing about. speaking in absolutes is ridiculous and people need to calm down

off of 2 blogs

 

[bananafactory]

Honestly, I think this might be a bit overblown, but I'm not surprised that Marvel is running a tight reign on their scripts. With the amount of movies and scope of their long term plans, they (Feige) must have a very big checklist of things that need to happen in each movie in order to make it all work together. It can't be easy, and I'm sure it will make things rocky from time to time. But they've got a great track record so far and I'm not too concerned yet, I'll wait until the first real flop.

 

[styl3s]

Yup, Twilight, The Hunger Games, and Harry Potter were all proof that audiences follow franchises over directors. Hell, none of the phase 2 movies have the same director as their phase 1 prequels.

Why should they follow the director? Empire Strikes Back was infinitely better than the original Star Wars and George Lucas wasn't the director nor the sole writer.

Simply being a director doesn't automatically make your film better. You can't direct a piece of shit script into a phenomal piece of art. A shitty script is a shitty script and unless that director wrote the film you really have no reason to stand by that person. Look at Captain America, should me of stood by Joe Johnston when he didn't return for the 2nd Captain America? 2nd Captain America arguably shits on the first.

 

[Spinluck]

I think the problem there is that while the people generally won't care who does the film they WILL care if quality drops, and once that happens they aren't quite as eager to go. Maybe enough profit comes in to justify it anyway, but I looked at the X-men box offices and I noticed they peaked with the third movie and were all over the place afterwards, indicating people probably were disappointed with that film or just weren't convinced to come back afterwards. Maybe it still does well enough the higher ups don't care, but if you're less lucky you'll just trash a franchise instead.

I do believe they will care if the quality drops.

But I don't think it'll be all that noticeable. Disney isn't going to handle their movies like Sony.

 

[MutonCommander]

Ok, now I am worried

 

[crimsonspider89]

They've been right on Marvel more often than not. Most recently they had a description of the GoTG trailer weeks before it was released.

Yeah but not by the one who posted the Ant Man news. The one who posted the GoTG trailer info has been right, this one has not.

Look at the contributors.

Why I am saying BS... on top of Deknight directing and Goddard advising DD.

 

[G-Fex]

This was always bound to happen. I been shitting on marvel since jump since it seemed like all their films were on some weird homogenized production line process. Though you did get the rare occasion where a good film (cap 2) or the film maker's uniqueness shone through (iron man 3)

Now this shit is getting worse and they're stifling it all. GOTG the last movie that won't be able to feel the after effects of this iron fist (uh...no pun intended)

But they're still gonna be huge at the box office so whatever...

I hope you're happy Disco.

Now hang your head in shame. May your guilt follow you forever

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

How much creative control does Disney/Marvel have over the Fox/Sony movies?

Like, if Fox theoretically wanted to make a Fantastic Four movie about The Thing becoming a porn star, could Marvel nix it?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

How much creative control does Disney/Marvel have over the Fox/Sony movies?

Like, if Fox theoretically wanted to make a Fantastic Four movie about The Thing becoming a porn star, could Marvel nix it?

What if they made a movie about The Thing becoming a registered sex offender?

 

[kswiston]

Dunno about Hunger Games but I recall opinion on the Harry Potter movies being more positive under a new director from some people at least, so it's not always inherently a bad thing. Hell, just look at Star Wars as the grand example of why a different director may be for the best.

Twilight meanwhile, well, with the kind of audience they got in I don't think a director change is particularly relevant to many of them.

Potter had 4 directors.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Ok, now I am worried

Part of this article is false. The DD show runner is on as an advisor. Deknight is the director. S6 is why.

The other parts comes from el Maybe on LR who doesn't have a good track record. Not by the one who has been spot on with MCU.

 

[Discotheque]

Not really. Ant Man was my most hyped blockbuster (even more than new Star Wars)

 

[bananafactory]

What if they made a movie about The Thing becoming a registered sex offender?

 

[Mariolee]

"Daddy Needs to Get His Rocks Off!"

 

[anaron]

You know what I get annoyed by? People not reading a thread.

The DD director is still on as an advisor and Deknight is directing.

So no executive interference there.

Now we just have to wait. Pretty sure someone close to Wright will be picked up.

And the other portion will be proven wrong.

Except the situations don't appear comparable at all.

Goddard's departure is amicable. (and he's still involved) Wright's definitely isn't.

 

[MutonCommander]

Part of this article is false. The DD show runner is on as an advisor. Deknight is the director. S6 is why.

The other parts comes from el Maybe on LR who doesn't have a good track record. Not by the one who has been spot on with MCU.

Ok, now I am less worried. Thanks!

 

[Delta Assault]

We are going to reach Microsoft levels of hilarity in the future in regards to Marvel. For each success, there will be more and more Hollywood egos that want to have their fingerprint on a film until each movie is basically that soulless gif of Ariana Grande dancing.

Edit: Now I'm pretty content with X-men being out of their reach.

I'm scared now... I don't wanna see the Marvel version of Metro.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

What if they made a movie about The Thing becoming a registered sex offender?

Excellent point. I think we deserve answers.

 

[wildfire]

Meddling in ant man is shitty, if true. Source is Latino review which is wrong about 99% of things so I'm hesitant to believe it even if it seems plausible

I put minimal effort on keeping an eye out on Marvel info compared to gaming and most major advanced leaks came from LR. You have to be divorced from reality to not know who delivers major scoops.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Except the situations don't appear comparable at all.

Goddard's departure is amicable. (and he's still involved) Wright's definitely isn't.

We don't know yet.

El Maybe doesn't have much credit and has been wrong most of the time which is where the news comes from.

The reddit user has more clot than him due to him not being wrong before. Just wait it out.

 

[pompidu]

who the hell wants to see an ant man movie. who the fuck is ant man. sounds terrible all around

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Not saying it's all bullshit, but look at the guys Disney just hired to make the next Star Wars movie. The two Garry's are hardly studio veterans.

 

[adg1034]

Aso Steven S. DeKnight taking over Daredevil so looks like Goddard left cause of S6 deal.

Since they are friends.

Expecting something akin to this to be announced on Wright's and El Maybe's LR scoop to be shown false.

Wait, really? That's not bad news at all. Spartacus was a really pulpy, really great time.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Excellent point. I think we deserve answers.

The people deserve to know!

 

[Cheebo]

Part of this article is false. The DD show runner is on as an advisor. Deknight is the director. S6 is why.

The other parts comes from el Maybe on LR who doesn't have a good track record. Not by the one who has been spot on with MCU.

Going from writer and director to advisor proves what is said. Advisor is Hollywood code for figurehead title. It has always been meaningless

 

[anaron]

We don't know yet.

El Maybe doesn't have much credit and has been wrong most of the time which is where the news comes from.

The reddit user has more clot than him due to him not being wrong before. Just wait it out.

Dude has just left his film that had been in develeopment for 8 years, reports all indicate it was over creative differences and Whedon is visibly upset about it.

It's not hard to deduce it was a bad breakup.

 

[G-Fex]

Not really. Ant Man was my most hyped blockbuster (even more than new Star Wars)

mine too


I know it's a joke and all but I HOPE WB hires him for something.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I hope to God it's not true, but it probably is. Only a matter of time before the big corporate types start interfering.

I thought the entire point of the Disney/Marvel thing was that Disney could provide support to Marvel but still allow Marvel their independence to make the movies. Guess that was wrong.

 

[KissVibes]

I wonder if Ant-Man will have a post-credits scene where Edgar Wright and Edward Norton shake hands...

Didn't Ed Norton get pissy about Incredible Hulk and how he wanted everything to be his way?

Not saying it's all bullshit, but look at the guys Disney just hired to make the next Star Wars movie. The two Garry's are hardly studio veterans.

The Director has SERIOUS buzz coming off Godzilla so that make sense.

And judging by After Earth, Whitta is probably a guy that'll write whatever some clueless suit will want him to.

 

[Draconian]

knew it.

what could have been the most interesting comic book adaptation film is now dead in the gutter, because of disney execs who, not content with bombs like john carter and the lone ranger, think they know better than two tremendous talents with a strong vision for a film.

That would make sense if it weren't for Disney being a large part of why John Carter failed.

 

[jmood88]

Disney, stop!

 

[dabig2]

We are going to reach Microsoft levels of hilarity in the future in regards to Marvel. For each success, there will be more and more Hollywood egos that want to have their fingerprint on a film until each movie is basically that soulless gif of Ariana Grande dancing.

Edit: Now I'm pretty content with X-men being out of their reach.

I'm not sure Fox is the best example of mega-corporation deciding not to fuck with its movie properties. They did it before and they'll do it again, especially if Singer departs due to his many issues.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Didn't Ed Norton get pissy about Incredible Hulk and how he wanted everything to be his way?

Yeah.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Dude has just left his film that had been in develeopment for 8 years, reports all indicate it was over creative differences and Whedon is visibly upset about it.

It's not hard to deduce it was a bad breakup.

Yeah Whedon is upset as am I.

Wanted to see Wright tackle Ant Man with his unique visual flare.

If the director is in fact a friend of Wright, then not bad breakup.

But if the director is some shit head who destroys everything he touches or just produces blah movies, then yeah bad breakup and El Maybe is correct.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Well, Disney is a pretty shittastic company so I'm more surprised it took this long, assuming this is indeed true.

 

[LocknessMobster]

I was afraid Disney would start fucking up Marvel superhero movies,really hope not.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

James Gunn on the Edgar Wright situation:

Sometimes you have friends in a relationship. You love each of them dearly as individuals and think they're amazing people. When they talk to you about their troubles, you do everything you can to support them, to keep them together, because if you love them both so much doesn't it make sense they should love each other? But little by little you realize, at heart, they aren't meant to be together - not because there's anything wrong with either of them, but they just don't have personalities that mesh in a comfortable way. They don't make each other happy. Although it's sad to see them split, when they do, you're surprisingly relieved, and excited to see where their lives take them next.

It's easy to try to make one party "right" and another party "wrong" when a breakup happens, but it often isn't that simple. Or perhaps it's even more simple than that - not everyone belongs in a relationship together. It doesn't mean they're not wonderful people.

And that's true of both Edgar Wright and Marvel. One of them isn't a person, but I think you get what I mean.

 

[Goldrush]

Nothing in Ant-Man screams blockbuster. The movie will flop hard if they try to turn into another Thor/Iron Man/Captain America. Ant-Man could be a world-wide superhero battle royale and nobody will see it simply because of the title. The only chance a character like him have is to be different. If the suits don't have faith in that vision, they should just close it down and redirect the funds to a more reliable character.

 

[Blader]

He's missed on three major things, and at least one of those was probably IN DEVELOPMENT and then got yanked for something else.

Even if that were the case, that leaves two out of three "scoops" that are tantamount to lies. And it probably wouldn't be so annoying if he didn't surround it with all his pomp and circumstance bullshit.

But there's a lot more people writing for that site than Umberto, and even setting that aside, Umberto's track record still isn't that bad.

I know that, but he's the one posting most of these types of stories, so I don't think it's completely unfair here to automatically register him as the sole author of Latino Review -- because that's pretty much what he is, as far as Marvel (and I think DC?) scoops go.

And while I think Devin is probably a more reliable source of info, he's also prone to his share of editorializing (read: fear mongering) which doesn't help anyone, least of all him.

 

[Salsa]

eh, this seems like a convenient way to explain recent developments. not saying it isn't true, but I'll wait to see a decline in the films quality before freaking out. Disney isn't THAT stupid and they have no reason to mess with something that hasn't failed yet

still gutted about wright tho

 

[Dead]

On a world post X Men days of future past, the question must be asked. De we need Marvel Studios?

Clearly not.

 

[crimsonspider89]

James Gunn on the Edgar Wright situation:

Well I think that says not a bad breakup but they just couldn't mesh.