CA1 haters who lump it in with Thor1 can eat it.
That script is very, very good. It's pretty much a clinic on development of character relationships and motivation. Johnston nailed the tone too.
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Report: Disney seizing more control over Marvel Studios. Scrapping/re-writing script
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CA1 haters who lump it in with Thor1 can eat it.
That script is very, very good. It's pretty much a clinic on development of character relationships and motivation. Johnston nailed the tone too.
The first half of the script is good. The half Joss doctored.
PHOENIXZERO
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Wait, I was told a couple months ago that Marvel was safe from this kind of stuff because Marvel's CEO became one of Disney's biggest share holders and that Marvel's CEO was more important than Disney's CEO. Me so confoozed.
Of course this is something that could prove problematic in the future. It's all fun and novel now, but what happens once the Marvel movie universe becomes a convoluted mess of continuity like the comic books? You can end up with a niche fanbase where you have to watch 57 movies to be up to date, characters are stuck in endless relationship stasis, and villains are constantly reused. The other option is to eventually reboot everything, but that has its own set of risks.
You should watch Cap 2. Also you could call Iron Man 3 a risk with how they subverted so many expectations, not just with the Mandarin but all the characters and the plot in general. How many people were expecting a cross-country character-driven Christmas road trip movie?
The only Marvel movies guilty of playing it safe and being generic superhero movies in the vein of the Spider-Man films are the Thor movies.
Avengers 2 Age of Disney.
man when this is played in slow motion, the flaws in the CG reeealy start to show
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Ah yes, that pair of hacks who did all the heavy lifting on the Steve/Peggy and Steve/Bucky relationships and also went to go on to write The Winter Soldier without Whedon. People are going to be mad about that "base assaults" montage until MCU Phase 6, even though it would have added nothing to character development which was why the movie shone.
I'll concede that the real gem of this movie was only in the first half, which was Stanley Tucci.
Joss did a quick buff to shine it up.
Yeah, no kidding. Can't unsee.
DoFP is the best Xmen since X2 by far, including the shitty Wolverine movies, but its not better than Cap 2 which is the high bar now, and its not even better than the Avengers which is a respectable second. Its on par with Ironman 1 though which is very good, with the exception that it uses a shitstorm of characters and 3 to 4 movies worth of characters/cast and build up to bring DoFP into existence. Ironman1 did that shit with zero movies before it.
Its a good flick, but its not even close to the best out of Marvel recently; I do enjoy how it retcons all of the fuckery they have been doing with the Xmen franchise for the last 8 or so years though.
Bringing Cyclops back and all that.
- Cap 2
- Avengers
- Ironman 1 / Days of Future Past
- Xmen 1
- Spiderman 1
Thats my top 5 to date.
Agree with all of this, and I was one of the people saying Ironman wasn't going to be shit. I have to admit, I think the same for GoTG (I've been pretty vocal about that, I think it looks bad) and possibly for Ant Man too. I can't really imagine what they can do to make those two movies interesting. But Im fine with eating crow if they do.
Me. lol
As bad as X3 was, it's still preferable to this turd:
So I don't get this "Edgar is leaving, we're doomed" BS.
I can get disliking Scott Pilgrim for what it is, but this is still a really ignorant statement. For one, Scott Pilgrim is a wonderfully shot film. It is really beautiful to watch. Two, Scott Pilgrim didn't nearly destroy a franchise like X-Men 3 did. So much that we needed Days of Future Past to fix how horrible the timeline was, and even then it is still left with dumb plot holes because of that movie. Three, people are saying that because Edgar Wright is a great director in the opinion of many people. I don't see why you cannot comprehend that. Not only that, but the rumors as to why he left should leave you with dread for what the future of the movie is.
element
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Your information is wrong.
Disney Shareholders:
1. Steve Jobs Estate
2. George Lucas
Ike Perlmutter isn't close to either of those.
Days of Future Past was good-but nowhere near the level of "polish" that I've come to expect from a Marvel Studios movie. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is a certain quality-even if it's not "revolutionary"-to the MCU that isn't evident in Fox and Sony's offerings. They feel cut and pasted together while Marvel movies feel sculpted. The closest, for me was First Class. Matthew Vaughn is just out of this world and he made that movie pop.
I don't really know what to make of this news, but it's a damn shame we won't get Wright's Ant-Man after all-but who knows? We have to hope for the best, I suppose. I'm sure a company of Marvel's stature has contigency plans for these situations, and they probally have a backup director. What are the chances this movie gets realistically delayed now?
I don't really know what to make of this news, but it's a damn shame we won't get Wright's Ant-Man after all-but who knows? We have to hope for the best, I suppose. I'm sure a company of Marvel's stature has contigency plans for these situations, and they probally have a backup director. What are the chances this movie gets realistically delayed now?
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I don't have much investment in Marvel and their movies, but the little narrative I'd been building in my mind up to about a week ago was actually super encouraging.
It really seems(ed?) that Marvel, for all their big budget samey-ness, were actually doing some interesting things with their influence. With Iron Man 3, Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant Man --- even with Whedon on the Avengers --- it seemed like they were willing to give interesting filmmakers with definite, often wildly different visions a chance to do --- for lack of a better phrase --- interesting things with the AAA movie format.
Shame. The "what's the point of an Ant Man movie without Wright" sentiment rings true to me. Again, I'm a person with very little investment in the character or the universe.
It really seems(ed?) that Marvel, for all their big budget samey-ness, were actually doing some interesting things with their influence. With Iron Man 3, Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant Man --- even with Whedon on the Avengers --- it seemed like they were willing to give interesting filmmakers with definite, often wildly different visions a chance to do --- for lack of a better phrase --- interesting things with the AAA movie format.
Shame. The "what's the point of an Ant Man movie without Wright" sentiment rings true to me. Again, I'm a person with very little investment in the character or the universe.
Or you know, Disney isn't behind this. Goddard got replaced by one of his best friends who is also a Joss Whedon protege. Aka the last person Disney would want if they were taking control. The thing that happened to Wright sounds just like what happens to every Marvel movie director that is not Whedon, Wright just put his vision before his paycheck. It might even be upper Marvel management stepping in and overruling the people behind Marvel Studios.
What the heck kind of polish that MCU movie usually generate? lol
Cinematography in those movie usually uninspiring as hell, poorly shot and set.. God I still can't believe most of their movie have over 100 million budget with how ugly movie like Avengers and both Thor movie looked. OST also usually very forgettable. MCU's movie have nothing to proud about at technicalities or polish level, their casting that almost always spot on though and likeable portrayal of the comic books compensating the mediocre production value.
Edgar Wright probably could make MCU movie that shot and directed impressively for once
Choppasmith
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I haven't seen DOFP yet, but I totally feel the same way. Especially when watching ASM (haven't seen ASM2 yet either) I thought, "can't put my finger on it, but it's not quite there."
immortal-joe
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The worrying thing about these rumors is, it would suggest that Marvel is losing their "creative center".
I remember listening to the Simpsons commentary tracks on those godly early seasons. The writers often mention that despite their super strict editing and rewriting process, there was always an established system with one guy being the final decision maker.
So when we look at Fox for example, we can enjoy how great DOFP came out, but what's the guarantee that the next Wolverine movie would have the same level of polish?
I remember listening to the Simpsons commentary tracks on those godly early seasons. The writers often mention that despite their super strict editing and rewriting process, there was always an established system with one guy being the final decision maker.
So when we look at Fox for example, we can enjoy how great DOFP came out, but what's the guarantee that the next Wolverine movie would have the same level of polish?
George Oscar Bluth II
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Maybe for KH3.
Typical Disneyfication. They're as stupidly protective of their brand as Nintendo are.
SCULLIBUNDO
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dark_inferno
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Welp... gonna watch Avengers 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy. Then its probably no more Marvel movies.
Edgar would have been the best for Ant-Man
Edgar would have been the best for Ant-Man
Marvel's CEO is infamous for being a cheap asshole.
peanutbutterlatte
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Literally the complaints I see about this film boil down to "GRR MICHAEL CERA GRR"
SCULLIBUNDO
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How long till Disney replaces Brad Bird with Mike Mitchell once he finishes writing The Incredibles 2?
Yeah I don't know why people bag on it so much. It was a good period piece and very reminiscent of the Rocketeer, which Johnston also directed.
And I liked Branaugh's Thor since it was basically Branaugh doing Shakespeare with Thor which is what Thor used to be or still is I forget with the ye olde English.
That said, they're all guilty pleasures and the only legit movies for me are Iron Man 1, avengers and WS.
freeofgreed
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You have good tastes my friend, I also think those 4 are the best MCU films. Ironman is Overrated as all hell and Cap1 is underrated as all hell. The Thor movies are shit IMO but Thor 1 > Thor 2
crimsonspider89
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The reason why I rank IM1 high is its cultural significance to movies based off of other properties. Establishing that unnknown properties can be adapted and make a profit.
Reason why Blade is ranked high as well was it allowed comci book superhero movies to return.
IM3 was good till the Mandarin reveal. That was really my only complaint.
When does word about this, positive or negative, tend to come out? Anyone know?
alfredofroylan
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This a good comic explaining this:
http://giancarlovolpe.tumblr.com/post/82641459722/a-little-behind-the-scenes-look-of-the-early
Too bad the show was canceled after 2 seasons
Black-Wind
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I find this hyperbole annoying.
DareDevils added into this as a "See?! SEE?!? It's happening all over the place!". What I found out from googling the DareDevil stuff? Dude's supposed to do Sony's "The Shitty Six" for more SpiderMan milking and likely left cause .... well which would you focus on? Mini-show or a big-screen movie?
And he's being replaced by who? Oh, yeah ... someone who worked on Buffy and Spartacus .. not some Disney Mouth Piece but one of Joss's people/ friends/ past co-workers.
Is it really that hard to think that this dude got the boot from a movie that's bigger than ANYTHING he has ever done before and has been "working on" for like 10 years because Marvel lost faith in his ability to make a movie that fits inside this Marvel universe that they have been build over said decade? Given that all he has done are low brow British comedies and Scott P I would accept that ..
DareDevils added into this as a "See?! SEE?!? It's happening all over the place!
". What I found out from googling the DareDevil stuff? Dude's supposed to do Sony's "The Shitty Six" for more SpiderMan milking and likely left cause .... well which would you focus on? Mini-show or a big-screen movie?And he's being replaced by who? Oh, yeah ... someone who worked on Buffy and Spartacus .. not some Disney Mouth Piece but one of Joss's people/ friends/ past co-workers.
Is it really that hard to think that this dude got the boot from a movie that's bigger than ANYTHING he has ever done before and has been "working on" for like 10 years because Marvel lost faith in his ability to make a movie that fits inside this Marvel universe that they have been build over said decade? Given that all he has done are low brow British comedies and Scott P I would accept that ..
Ragnarok Flames
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hence why disney bought Marvel and Star Wars
There were a lot of rough cuts in DOFP, along with their set work. It's very evident that much of the movie was done in post-production to make the movie watchable.
A part of me wonders if the budget was spent on CG sequences...
It's not like Marvel just started doing this, they did a lot of "creative insisting" on Iron Man 2's production, insisting x number of Avengers tie-ins and MCU references, giving Downey and Favreau a framework to in rather than tell their own story. They immediately got the message from that movie's backlash on forced easter eggs and commercials and made an effort to tone it way the hell down in the following movies, but as time goes and they plot out more and more of these phases, they have to consequently become more and more restrictive on what can and can't happen within their movies. That's probably why they've started hiring tv directors, because: a) they're used to that system already, and b) they're just getting their feet wet on features, who are they to know or say differently?
The dangerous precedent being set here, if true, is the Marvel and Disney execs above Feige that are starting to meddle with projects. Which, in addition to potentially scaring off talent and creating subpar films, undermines Feige's credibility as the studio's effective showrunner too.
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