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[Doc Holliday]

There's no reason to assume this will go backwards either, other than the weird self loathing that seems to creep into Nintendo threads.

They've never launched a hybrid console before. They might see the dual nature of the NX as a feature and upgrade and completely disregard power. I'm sorry after Wii/wii u, I assume nothing with Nintendo. Mofos released the same damn system twice and released the Wii U in 2013. That's some trolling right there

 

[maxcriden]

I would agree that a seperate controller for docked use is very likely, but I don't think Nintendo envisions the primary use of NX to be docked mode.

I agree. Sorry, primary was a confusing choice of word. I meant primary for when playing at home, and not primary overall.

I think Nintendo will try sell the modes as of equal importance, though - you think they'll sell it as a HH foremost? I thought the EG article indicated the hybrid nature would be the marketing hook, i.e. "your games, on the go."

 

[Vena]

I did a quick sketch of the given dimensions and man, they're totally out of whack. I hope Laura Kate made a mistake on the width* or at the very least, the final unit has less awkward dimensions. 281mm wide is ridiculous.



*I suspect this is probably the case and the thing is actual ~205 including the controllers, not minus them.

These proportions can't be right. This is way too elongated and that bezel is redundant.

 

[TunaLover]

the WiiU gamepads 'wasted' plastic is so that its ergonomic and you can hold it like a controller without your hands being in a claw or obscuring the screen

They still could be cropped it a little, but I have small hands so...

 

[Zevenberge]

Cheesemeister be glad.

The amount of 'leaks'/rumours is getting pretty ridiculous. No way that they do not reveal it this month.

 

[wrowa]

I did a quick sketch of the given dimensions and man, they're totally out of whack. I hope Laura Kate made a mistake on the width* or at the very least, the final unit has less awkward dimensions. 281mm wide is ridiculous.



*I suspect this is probably the case and the thing is actual ~205 including the controllers, not minus them.

It's also not even looking close to the mockup. You would think whoever created the mockup would account for the insane bezel, since it would visually literally be the most striking aspect of that monster.

 

[Luigiv]

Holy shite. Do you have a GamePad you could put next to it for comparison's sake?

There you go.

 

[jackal27]

Well the EG rumor said it's not backwards compatible. Kinda makes sense since they are not using 2 screens anymore. (Splitting the image between NX handheld and TV for duo screen would be dumb.)

I'm not sure how to feel about the detachable controllers either. It feels kind of like a hassle and a bit toy-ish. I want NX to feel like more than a toy. But, like you, I trust Nintendo in their decisions.

Even if all the rumors are wrong, there's one thing I definitely know about NX: It will be great.

I thought the EG rumor said it wasn't backwards compatible with Wii U. I haven't seen any mention of 3DS yet.

There you go.

Ok, that's too big lol.

 

[hoserx]

There you go.

First thing in my head was Atari Lynx.

 

[georly]

Here's the real question - even if it's not region locked... will I be able to access the japanese eshop?

I'm guessing no.

But at least I can import physical games i guess?

I though the EG rumor said it wasn't backwards compatible with Wii U. I haven't seen any mention of 3DS yet.

They just said not backwards compatible. I think that encompasses BOTH wii u and 3DS, especially due to those both having 2 screens and this only having one. Remake land ho.

 

[Skittzo0413]

There you go.

Yeah that's looking very odd. Of course, devkits tend to look odd compared to the final unit. Maybe they need all that bezel space for various development ports and connectors?

 

[purseowner]

There you go.

Christ it's like putting triggers on a laptop and holding it like a handheld.

 

[Luigiv]

First thing in my head was Atari Lynx.

I don't have one of those.

I could compare to a Vita but I think at this stage I've made my point.

 

[Schnozberry]

I agree. Sorry, primary was a confusing choice of word. I meant primary for when playing at home, and not primary overall.

I think Nintendo will try sell the modes as of equal importance, though - you think they'll sell it as a HH foremost? I thought the EG article indicated the hybrid nature would be the marketing hook, i.e. "your games, on the go."

I think you've touched on a difficult part of selling the NX. How do you market it? Some people want it primarily as a portable, some will want to use it as a console they can take on the go occasionally. It may never leave the dock for others. You'll probably see a variety of ads directed at a bunch of different demographics. I'd imagine that given how the market for tablets/phones is growing rapidly while the console market shrinks, it may have been envisioned as a tablet first and a console second.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Lack of a region locking would be the biggest thing for me, so I hope this report pans out.

 

[Serenitynow]

Dev-kits, people. Dev-kits

 

[ozfunghi]

There you go.

Well, something is wrong since both screens should be identical in size: 6.2".

 

[Skittzo0413]

Well, something is wrong since both screens should be identical in size: 6.2".

They look almost identical, the Wii U screen is just closer to the camera.

 

[Jonboy]

I really hope they go back to offset analog sticks. I know it's not a huge deal for some, but I hated the Wii U setup with both being on top.

Sounds like their sources are divided on this, but most seem to indicate they're offset.

 

[ggx2ac]

I got up because I couldn't sleep. Will just answer this and head back to sleep.

I think a lot of people are forgetting that the TV connector on the controller may be a devkit-only feature. It wouldn't be out of the ordinary for that to be the case.

I can see from some responses that an HDMI cable from the NX to the TV would be unwieldy.

Assuming the TV out on the NX is a dev-kit only feature, I speculate this:

- The dock connects to the TV via HDMI cable.
- The NX has streaming tech to stream to the dock to then put the image/audio on the TV.
- There is no docked performance mode. We still lack information about it.
- If there's an SCD, it's been mentioned in the patent that wifi can be used for its processing capabilities other than connecting a cable to the NX.

We lack information, there could be a docked performance mode, the problem is that this is a dev-kit, so I can't state that there is no connector for the NX to the dock so how would it work? The connector to the dock could just appear in the final retail unit.

 

[wild wild rice]

There you go.

Interesting, thanks!

If those two ends came off and the buttons/analog sticks were part of that space immediately to the left and right of the screen, it seems like a slightly smaller and slicker GamePad, which I'm down for as far as console gaming.

Taken as a whole it looks like something you would keep in a box to take out when people were over like a fucking board game or something.

 

[Plinko]

I got up because I couldn't sleep. Will just answer this and head back to sleep.



I can see from some responses that an HDMI cable from the NX to the TV would be unwieldy.

Assuming the TV out on the NX is a dev-kit only feature, I speculate this:

- The dock connects to the TV via HDMI cable.
- The NX has streaming tech to stream to the dock to then put the image/audio on the TV.
- There is no docked performance mode. We still lack information about it.
- If there's an SCD, it's been mentioned in the patent that wifi can be used for its processing capabilities other than connecting a cable to the NX.

We lack information, there could be a docked performance mode, the problem is that this is a dev-kit, so I can't state that there is no connector for the NX to the dock so how would it work? The connector to the dock could just appear in the final retail unit.

Yep--I've been predicting this for a while. Same Wii U streaming technology except in reverse.

 

[jackal27]

I'd imagine that given how the market for tablets/phones is growing rapidly while the console market shrinks, it may have been envisioned as a tablet first and a console second.

This would make sense to me, which worries me when it comes to the detachable controllers. I bet they try to sell the screen as a tablet while "and oh look you can stick some controllers to it" which seems like a pretty complex thing to market.

 

[Luigiv]

Dev-kits, people. Dev-kits

True, but It's still very bizarre, even for a dev kit.

 

[Anth0ny]

I knew that you were of the opinion that NX will be weaker than Wii U, but less than half as powerful? Aren't you taking it a bit far there?

If going from 1080p resolution to 720p resolution makes it half as powerful, then yes, NX will be half as powerful.

I don't know tech talk. All I know is this thing, despite all the marketing Nintendo is going to throw at us, is a 3DS successor above all. It also connects to your TV via HDMI. 720p is a huge jump forward from the 3DS.

It's also a step back from the Wii U, yes. I don't think Nintendo really gives a fuck considering how the Wii U fared on the market.

Uh, yes? Despite the narrative people have constructed about Nintendo, their systems have never gone backwards and games have never regressed from their predecessors

always a first for everything. would you really be surprised if nintendo "regressed" from its predecessor?

even though it's not really the case when you look at it from a 3DS -> NX perspective, as I am.

But it was Nintendo that announced with bells and whistles than Sm4sh was going to be 1080p, they even compared it to 3DS resolution, now this specific resolution was needed for 8 player Smash (me think), since the camera is zoomed out and you could loss detail.

it's all marketing bullshit. 8 player smash will probably be back. resolution isn't to blame for that.

 

[Schnozberry]

They've never launched a hybrid console before. They might see the dual nature of the NX as a feature and upgrade and completely disregard power. I'm sorry after Wii/wii u, I assume nothing with Nintendo. Mofos released the same damn system twice and released the Wii U in 2013. That's some trolling right there

Well, they lost a shit ton of money on the Cube, so I can understand releasing a marginally upgraded version with the Wii. Power wasn't the reason it failed.

Wii U was definitely a confluence of misplaced priorities and a failure to get to market fast enough. The idea for the Tablet Controller was probably novel and interesting when they initially conceived it, but by the time it reached shelves the functionality and market for tablets had already been defined and the Wii U Gamepad was obsolete on Day 1.

I guess it depends on whether you feel like all this internal restructuring is a sign that they learned from their mistakes or not. I'd like to think so, but we'll find out soon enough.

 

[wild wild rice]

Dev-kits, people. Dev-kits

This is the key and should probably be in the OP title just to contextualize the discussion.

 

[Branduil]

Yep--I've been predicting this for a while. Same Wii U streaming technology except in reverse.

That would be awful and would make the TV play unusable. There's no way that's what they're going to do.

 

[ozfunghi]

They look almost identical, the Wii U screen is just closer to the camera.

No they don't, lol. Not even remotely.

 

[th4tguy]

Wii U Gamepad dimensions

135mm (height) × 259mm (width) × 23mm (depth)

3DS XL dimensions

93.5mm (height) x 160mm (width) x 21.5mm (depth) (closed)

NX dev kit dimensions

92mm (Height) x 281mm (Width) x 25mm (Depth)

NX dev kit dimensions (without controllers)

92mm (Height) x 205mm (Width) x 25mm (Depth)

Edit: It's slightly wider than a Wii U Gamepad and slightly less in height compared to a 3DS XL. Thicker than both.

Bigger than a wiiu controller makes this horribly unappealing to me. I was hoping for something 3ds or Vita size. A portable console. Not a under powered tablet with removable parts and a tv out.

 

[Fourth Storm]

First thing in my head was Atari Lynx.

Oh man, you're bringing me back. I keep forgetting I used to own one. Slime World is still the greatest Metroidvania. haha

 

[Skittzo0413]

This is the key and should probably be in the OP title just to contextualize the discussion.

It already is.

That would be awful and would make the TV play unusable. There's no way that's what they're going to do.

Why? You wouldn't NEED to stream to the TV, that would just be one option when you're home near the dock.

If going from 1080p resolution to 720p resolution makes it half as powerful, then yes, NX will be half as powerful.

If you believe all of these rumors, then you must believe the Tegra X1 rumors, right? Since they all seem to come from the same devkits.

I don't know how low a TX1 would need to be clocked in order to be weaker than a Wii U flops wise, but even if it is clocked that ridiculously low, the chip is vastly more modern with more modern features and libraries than the Wii U already. So I really don't see how it's even remotely possible to believe this is half as powerful as a Wii U, if you accept the TX1 rumor.

Edit:

No they don't, lol. Not even remotely.

Just did a quick and dirty estimate in paint: the sketched screen is less than about 100 pixels off in height and 200 pixels off in length, which is very easily accounted for by the difference in thickness between a piece of paper and a Wii U gamepad. Especially when you consider the gamepad is slanted a bit. I still think they're pretty close.

 

[Luigiv]

Well, something is wrong since both screens should be identical in size: 6.2".

My draftsmanship was a little lacking, The screen I drew was actually about 6.1" (god damn imperial units, I should have converted). Combined with the perspective, that does make it look a fair bit smaller (and for what it's worth, the Wii U's screen is actually over 6.25" further exaggerating the issue). Either way doesn't matter, the outer dimensions are accurate to the report, which is what I was trying to show.

 

[Plinko]

That would be awful and would make the TV play unusable. There's no way that's what they're going to do.

Wii U streaming is lag free. Please explain why that would be "awful" and make the TV play "unusable."

I still think it will play by plugging into the dock or streaming to it.

 

[SuperSah]

NX will flop

 

[Oregano]

Bigger than a wiiu controller makes this horribly unappealing to me. I was hoping for something 3ds or Vita size. A portable console. Not a under powered tablet with removable parts and a tv out.

Wut? If rumours are true it will be more powerful than the vast majority of tablets on the market.

 

[Portugeezer]

Dimensions seem odd.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Bigger than a wiiu controller makes this horribly unappealing to me. I was hoping for something 3ds or Vita size. A portable console. Not a under powered tablet with removable parts and a tv out.

It's not an underpowered tablet. It could well be the most powerful tablet on the market at release.

 

[Father_Brain]

Was hoping it'd be a bit thinner, but size seems fine to me as long as the weight is reasonable. *shrug* Was already expecting something closer to Game Pad size than to any of the 3DS models.

 

[ozfunghi]

My draftsmanship was a little lacking, The screen I drew was actually about 6.1" (god damn imperial units, I should have converted). Combined with the perspective, that does make it look a fair bit smaller (and for what it's worth, the Wii U's screen is actually over 6.25" further exaggerating the issue). Either way doesn't matter, the outer dimensions are accurate to the report, which is what I was trying to show.

I understand you were trying to show the outer dimensions, but everybody is freaking out because of the huge spaces next to the screen, which would be... well, less huge, if the screen were bigger. But fair enough. It's still just a devkit after all. We all know how DS devkits looked like and how the DS ended up looking.

 

[Anth0ny]

If you believe all of these rumors, then you must believe the Tegra X1 rumors, right? Since they all seem to come from the same devkits.

I don't know how low a TX1 would need to be clocked in order to be weaker than a Wii U flops wise, but even if it is clocked that ridiculously low, the chip is vastly more modern with more modern features and libraries than the Wii U already. So I really don't see how it's even remotely possible to believe this is half as powerful as a Wii U, if you accept the TX1 rumor.

but the screen is 720p, right?

so it's going to output at 720p.

I didn't say it would be weaker than the Wii U, I just said it would "look" worse as in 1080p on the Wii U -> 720p on the NX.

 

[udivision]

Uh, yes? Despite the narrative people have constructed about Nintendo, their systems have never gone backwards and games have never regressed from their predecessors

They've never made a handheld succeed a console either but that's what's going on now and I doubt they can do that with 0 compromises made.

 

[th4tguy]

Wut? If rumours are true it will be more powerful than the vast majority of tablets on the market.

I shouldn't have put emphasis on power, although tablets have been coming out that are more powerful than the x1 chip since 2015 and this x1 chip is going to be underclocked. My main problem is the size of the unit. I'm not going to carry around something the size of a wiiu controller. I don't even like playing on the wiiu controller because I think it's too big, even for a console accessory.

 

[Skittzo0413]

but the screen is 720p, right?

so it's going to output at 720p.

I didn't say it would be weaker than the Wii U, I just said it would "look" worse as in 1080p on the Wii U -> 720p on the NX.

Uhh...:

If going from 1080p resolution to 720p resolution makes it half as powerful, then yes, NX will be half as powerful.

There is no reason why a TX1 wouldn't be able to render Smash 4 at 1080p, but if the screen is 720p then the developer would choose to render at 720p to improve performance or visuals in other areas. Resolution =/= power.

 

[Milly Osworth]

NX will flop

Someone let Nintendo know stat!

 

[TunaLover]

We are getting closer.

 

[Schnozberry]

This would make sense to me, which worries me when it comes to the detachable controllers. I bet they try to sell the screen as a tablet while "and oh look you can stick some controllers to it" which seems like a pretty complex thing to market.

I don't think they will sell it without the controllers. I think the detachable feature allows them more flexibility. When someone wants to use it for media, or for simpler games that can be played with a touch screen, a controller isn't a hard and fast requirement to be attached to the system.

 

[Enduin]

Basically for me if the native res and output for the handheld and TV is the same, aka 720p, that pretty much means that I will pretty much never use the system in console mode.

 

[th4tguy]

It's not an underpowered tablet. It could well be the most powerful tablet on the market at release.

If rumors are true, it's using a tegra x1 (underclocked). Even the A9X chip shipped with 2015 Ipads is more powerful compared to a non underclocked tegra x1.

 

[Fourth Storm]

These proportions can't be right. This is way too elongated and that bezel is redundant.

This is the dev kit with the X1, right? Presumably (hopefully), they needed the extra room to cool it and the final w/ the smaller chip will have a sleeker main unit.