ClayKavalier
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What's the point of the removable controls? It'd be really annoying if you have to remove them to put it in the dock. If you don't, why would you ever take them off?
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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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The Abominable Snowman
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This thing is wider than my iPad Pro and Nexus 9, and thicker than my iPad Pro and Nexus 9 stacked on top of each other.
Guess we'll see how well the market reacts. It'll probably have great games but Nintendo hardware always seems like such an anchor.
Guess we'll see how well the market reacts. It'll probably have great games but Nintendo hardware always seems like such an anchor.
Screamapillar
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Wii U is over. Nintendo literally said in the Spring that one of the reasons they cut back Wii U projections WORLDWIDE this fiscal year to under 900k is because the NX is releasing next Spring. Note they did not use that same reasoning about 3DS.
3DS has a very large install base, and has been very successful for them (unlike the Wii U), so they feel compelled to keep 3DS going for a year or two more, even though of course once NX comes out the 3DS active users will quickly fall off as more and more people upgrade to the new system.
The only reason Wii U was given any first-party support this year is because Nintendo didn't want Wii U owners to feel abandoned, so they wanted to make a true effort and give 13 million of us some options of games to play, even if the slate is very light. Iwata and Kimishima had/ have both stated this as one of their primary goals the past 24 months, knowing full well that most of Nintendo's effort the past 18-24 months has been preparing NX and it's first wave of software. The only reason Paper Mario is coming out on Wii U in October and not being held back and ported to NX is because they wanted to earnestly give us a title to play on Wii U this fall, despite low projections and not a lot of opportunity for money.
I'm not gonna create a new thread so lets put it there.
While we're talking about the tv out. Here is how i would have seen the NX, as something that couldl actually matter (hopfully) in the gaming world. Not saying this won't, but i can't have a precise vision of what they want to achieve now. So my vision doesn't care about the rumors.
It's pretty simple, but involve some "magic" tech that is working only in theory, but seems not absolutely crazy.
Here it is:
The NX is just a fucking portable, really simple, great ergonomic. The buttons and pads/Sticks are slidable under the screen, like on some mockups. That's just to make it not too huge (which the real kit seems to be), and still have the biggest screen possible.
There are 2 skus! One 6,5" screen (console not a lot bigger cause of the slide design), and a huge, 9" version. The smaller one isn't way bigger than the 3DS XL, while the other one is clearly for couch gaming.
Small one is 720p, while the big one is 1080p, with bigger battery, clock speed etc..
Now, the magic. It's based on the WiiU tech, reversed. With the console you get a HDMI dongle, that will receive the video and sound via the console itself. No dock, just this dongle, that you let on your tv or take with you to a friend's house.
Nothing else, nothing to buy, nothing to plug.. The small console streams at 720p on tv, while the other one reach 1080p. No power added, nothing. Really simple. It's also marketed as some perfect netflix box, that can even stream 4k.
In term of power, maybe the small one is 3-400 gflops (best case scenario) while the bigger one is 6-700gflops
Now, the gimmick. The real killer gimmick, that leaves a mark in videogame history.
The NX is a LAN killer. It's a local multiplayer revolution. Many games can be played at amazing numbers locally, and have mode added for that (let's imagine a mario maker version where you have a racing mode, where 16 players race with items ala mario kart to reach the end of the level). Of course smash bros, Splatoon etc..
Now the cool trick is that when you have many players in the same room playing, all the consoles (that's the patent remember) can produce an other screen, that is displayed on tv via the dongle. And it's an e-sport glory. Like, you play mario kart, 8 players with their own screen, and the tv display some hub, with replays, the map, the positions etc..
Or imagine a bomberman, with crazy amount of players playing a zoomed part of the giant map, and a giant screen displays the whole map for all to see. Would be friggin amazing for videogame expos.
So the NX becomes super popular cause it's simply the most convivial gaming device ever to grace that world. And lots of online gamer's favs are ported on it for crazy local party that were impossible before without a dedicated lan pc room..
Here it is, sorry for the slight OT
While we're talking about the tv out. Here is how i would have seen the NX, as something that couldl actually matter (hopfully) in the gaming world. Not saying this won't, but i can't have a precise vision of what they want to achieve now. So my vision doesn't care about the rumors.
It's pretty simple, but involve some "magic" tech that is working only in theory, but seems not absolutely crazy.
Here it is:
The NX is just a fucking portable, really simple, great ergonomic. The buttons and pads/Sticks are slidable under the screen, like on some mockups. That's just to make it not too huge (which the real kit seems to be), and still have the biggest screen possible.
There are 2 skus! One 6,5" screen (console not a lot bigger cause of the slide design), and a huge, 9" version. The smaller one isn't way bigger than the 3DS XL, while the other one is clearly for couch gaming.
Small one is 720p, while the big one is 1080p, with bigger battery, clock speed etc..
Now, the magic. It's based on the WiiU tech, reversed. With the console you get a HDMI dongle, that will receive the video and sound via the console itself. No dock, just this dongle, that you let on your tv or take with you to a friend's house.
Nothing else, nothing to buy, nothing to plug.. The small console streams at 720p on tv, while the other one reach 1080p. No power added, nothing. Really simple. It's also marketed as some perfect netflix box, that can even stream 4k.
In term of power, maybe the small one is 3-400 gflops (best case scenario) while the bigger one is 6-700gflops
Now, the gimmick. The real killer gimmick, that leaves a mark in videogame history.
The NX is a LAN killer. It's a local multiplayer revolution. Many games can be played at amazing numbers locally, and have mode added for that (let's imagine a mario maker version where you have a racing mode, where 16 players race with items ala mario kart to reach the end of the level). Of course smash bros, Splatoon etc..
Now the cool trick is that when you have many players in the same room playing, all the consoles (that's the patent remember) can produce an other screen, that is displayed on tv via the dongle. And it's an e-sport glory. Like, you play mario kart, 8 players with their own screen, and the tv display some hub, with replays, the map, the positions etc..
Or imagine a bomberman, with crazy amount of players playing a zoomed part of the giant map, and a giant screen displays the whole map for all to see. Would be friggin amazing for videogame expos.
So the NX becomes super popular cause it's simply the most convivial gaming device ever to grace that world. And lots of online gamer's favs are ported on it for crazy local party that were impossible before without a dedicated lan pc room..
Here it is, sorry for the slight OT
Chibbi Brady
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Hmm, the TV out on both the dock and main unit had me thinking. It's positioned as a portable device, so you could take it to a friends house, plug it straight into their TV, detachable controls are there so instant multi-player.
Or plug it into your dock at home to get your upgraded 1080p.
Or plug it into your dock at home to get your upgraded 1080p.
Skittzo0413
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I wouldn't get your hopes up for an NX reveal date tomorrow, but you're right that it's a (remote) possibility.
Dark Cloud
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Tbh these rumors for the first time are wearing me out. Man I'm just ready for a reveal already...
As I said in the other thread, my hopes are not up. I'm actually legitimately worried that they'll wait until after the holidays.
Screamapillar
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Yeah, exactly. Having a direct TV out on the unit itself, in addition to obviously having it docked and likely somewhat "upgraded" when docked. Give people both options, since not everyone who's going to play on a TV is going to want to set it on a dock and not use the unit itself as a controller. This sort of signals to me that there's going to be some kind of Pro Controller for this thing, which it badly needs, given that we are probably looking at circle pads on the detachable unit controllers.
Dr. Buni
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Well, you will need the controllers to play when you connect the NX to the dock and for that, they need to be detachable, I suppose.
Father_Brain
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That's a very reasonable question. But it begs the follow-up: what exactly is the alternative?
Basically.
From what i remember there were rumors saying that the controllers can be also attached each other without the NX tablet, turning into a "standard" game pad when you play on the TV with the tablet plugged into the dock/TV
purseowner
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Goddamn it. Now I want this. I don't think we're getting this. But I want it.
PadWarrior
Member
I probably missed it but no USB port for the GameCube controller adapter for smash brothers?
Big Gulps Huh?
Member
I also assume you can use them (optionally) when playing on the go if you don't want to hold it handheld style.
Skittzo0413
Member
I don't think that was ever a rumor, just speculation.
Emily Rogers had a report the other day that the dock with the devkit includes 2 USB ports.
A previous rumor said two USB ports were on the dock.
Father_Brain
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I would guess that five months is the absolute minimum that can elapse between hardware reveal and hardware launch, due to considerations like preparing retail and distribution channels, getting launch and pre-launch marketing in place, allowing third parties time to reveal their games on their own schedules, etc.
That said, I can't say it's completely impossible just because, AFAIK, no one has attempted a reveal->launch window of less than six months before.
Also, they've repeatedly said the reveal is happening this year.
Dark Cloud
Member
Instead of Nintendo developing a single controller from ground up I feel like trying to please the controllers of the NX to work all together and then to make sure they work separately will just make the controller gimped overall.
PadWarrior
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Jorok Goldblade
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There are at least 2 on the dev kit version of the dock, according to Emily Rogers' sources.
EDIT: Beaten
Mithos
Member
This is a more precise comparison of the Wii U gamepad and the NX leak.
Made an overlay version of the two...
2 players Just Dance on the go. Remember, each controller is basically a wiimote.
The dock is supposed to have USB ports.
Davey Cakes
Member
I agree with you that a September reveal would be ideal. I just believe that it's been planned like that for a while, and won't necessarily happen as soon as September starts. We could be a couple of weeks away. Who knows? Point is, it's not on Nintendo to rush their presentation out just because leaks are happening. They'll have something for us soon.
Darkangel
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If the dock adds more power, then it will probably be from up-clocking as opposed to added hardware. Nintendo won't want to spend extra cash on something that a significant portion of (handheld) players might not even use.
Unless the cost difference between an extra GPU and a cooling system is insignificant on an industrial scale...
Unless the cost difference between an extra GPU and a cooling system is insignificant on an industrial scale...
Screamapillar
Member
Does anyone else remember the original first "rumor" for NX last year, that in addition to having a TV out dongle on the unit, it would "work with PS4 and smartphones".
Well, wouldn't it be totally crazy if Nintendo is somehow entering some kind of partnership with Sony, and the NX is designed to work with the PS4 Neo and it's controllers for docked play?
I mean, Nintendo is still obviously making the hardware and keeping true to their hardware/ software philosophy as a company, but just acknowledging that they need help with trusted hardcore gamer-friendly platform holders like Sony. Nintendo's strength is portables, and their weakness with the "AAA/ hardcore" crowd ever since Wii has been home consoles, so doesn't this only make sense?
We haven't heard a peep about any kind of Pro Controller, which NX will obviously need if you're setting the unit in a dock. There's no way the detachable controllers that probably use circle pads are going to be the only input option.
Not having a single grain or rumor or anything about optional controllers outside of the detachables on the NX surely means they're keeping any information on that extremely quiet, even to the developers. Otherwise, given all of these leaks which appear to be intensifying, we'd surely have heard something by now.
Well, wouldn't it be totally crazy if Nintendo is somehow entering some kind of partnership with Sony, and the NX is designed to work with the PS4 Neo and it's controllers for docked play?
I mean, Nintendo is still obviously making the hardware and keeping true to their hardware/ software philosophy as a company, but just acknowledging that they need help with trusted hardcore gamer-friendly platform holders like Sony. Nintendo's strength is portables, and their weakness with the "AAA/ hardcore" crowd ever since Wii has been home consoles, so doesn't this only make sense?
We haven't heard a peep about any kind of Pro Controller, which NX will obviously need if you're setting the unit in a dock. There's no way the detachable controllers that probably use circle pads are going to be the only input option.
Not having a single grain or rumor or anything about optional controllers outside of the detachables on the NX surely means they're keeping any information on that extremely quiet, even to the developers. Otherwise, given all of these leaks which appear to be intensifying, we'd surely have heard something by now.
From my experience with Tegra chips, the dock would just need a 10-15w power supply and that would be enough for the GPU/CPU to run at full clock compared to battery mode. Those things ate battery eaters.
For example, the dock could allow local 4 player Mario Kart while handheld mode is limited to 2 players.
ClayKavalier
Banned
Good Lord, may be the first time I hold out for the slim version instead of buying at launch.Made an overlay version of the two...
Fourth Storm
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I still think they may have a wireless streaming option so that you can play with the touchscreen and tv undocked. Yeah, battery will drain, but there can be the option of just using a charging cable w/out the dock like the Gamepad.
Wouldn't trying to make the two chips work together SLI-style be more of a pain than just letting a custom X2 run at full power?
B
bomb
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What would you slim down exactly? Looks pretty slim for that screen size.
Don't forget this is only the dev kit version.
LegendofLex
Member
They're the controllers you get for playing on the TV out of the box.
They're also the new controller type for NX.
Dark Cloud
Member
How do you base your decision from a dev kit?
Dr. Buni
Member
Oh, right. Kinda like playing a Wii U game with the Pro Controller while the game is being streamed to the Gamepad screen.
Made an overlay version of the two...
Why would it have such enormous empty bezels on the sides? That makes it an entire 25% bigger than it needs to be. It looks terrible.
Skittzo0413
Member
Very little about the dock is known overall, beyond apparently 2 USB ports (on the devkit dock). We haven't seen anyone claim that the dock allows the device to run at a higher power level, though this is a very common and reasonable function in a consumer electronics device, which is why it's been speculated so heavily.
James Scott
Banned
Yeah. No phone has that and unless the controllers clamp onto it, it would be too wide
UnemployedVillain
Member
The dev kit at least
Well, invites would need to go out next week at the latest to give journalists enough time unless they've gone mental and won't have any sort of press hands-on until near release.
Yes, i think that'll be the case, or making them detachablereally it would be just a stupid choice if at least one of those features wasn't possible
Dr. Buni
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Aren't those the detachable controllers though?
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