UnemployedVillain
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And yet people had no trouble with the Wii nunchuk or motion+. Or the N64 rumble pack, or Dreamcast VMU
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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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And yet people had no trouble with the Wii nunchuk or motion+. Or the N64 rumble pack, or Dreamcast VMU
Yeah i mean, the first version of the Wii U Gamepad actually had circle pads
and we've still got the analog sticks in the final version.
I also love the circle pad on the 3DS so i don't think i would cry if they keep them. I obviously prefer the analog sticks and Nintendo has no reason not to use them, but still.
B
bomb
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If these leaks are at least mostly true, doesn't that just really hurt Nintendo's hype?
If Nintendo showed this a month ago and I saw 2 player multiplayer on one portable device, I would be pretty freaking hyped. Now, I am like, okay what else you got.
If Nintendo showed this a month ago and I saw 2 player multiplayer on one portable device, I would be pretty freaking hyped. Now, I am like, okay what else you got.
PantherLotus
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(Maybe not the best examples considering the sell through of each, the demise of Sega, and Nintendo's current market, huh?)
I'll be disappointed if they go to staggered sticks. It's more comfortable to keep your thumbs in the primary position with modern aiming/camera heavy games, and it's more comfortable to use a symmetrical D-pad and buttons for retro games. If people would get over their muscle memory and adjust, they'd find sticks on top to be perfectly usable.
Bear in mind that Sony's testers were pushing for Nintendo's symmetrical sticks on top layout for the PS4 before Sony rejected it in favor of keeping the status quo. It's a good layout, and feels like an advancement over what the other controllers offer.
...but then you'd have no triggers on one side when playing solo, right? They'd be on the bottom where you can't reach them?
Bear in mind that Sony's testers were pushing for Nintendo's symmetrical sticks on top layout for the PS4 before Sony rejected it in favor of keeping the status quo. It's a good layout, and feels like an advancement over what the other controllers offer.
...but then you'd have no triggers on one side when playing solo, right? They'd be on the bottom where you can't reach them?
The main thing that's making any naysayers really uneasy is that it's a home console but a handheld but a tablet, with detachable controllers that work traditionally but also as Wiimote+Nunchuk 2.0 but also as two halves for multiplayer reasons.
Maybe I'll feel less queasy when I see Nintendo's execution of it (granted if any of this is even remotely true), but it's hard not to think this sounds a little confused or even convoluted. Wii U was already hard enough for a layman to grasp, so unless Nintendo's execution with design and marketing is flawless, this is gonna be a bit of a doozy to explain to others.
Maybe I'll feel less queasy when I see Nintendo's execution of it (granted if any of this is even remotely true), but it's hard not to think this sounds a little confused or even convoluted. Wii U was already hard enough for a layman to grasp, so unless Nintendo's execution with design and marketing is flawless, this is gonna be a bit of a doozy to explain to others.
blu
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That VMU completely obliterated SEGA.
Skittzo0413
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Here's a thought- in Zelda BotW, does clicking the control sticks do anything? Is that used for any functionality in the game? If not then Nintendo might be trying to get away from clickable sticks for better or for worse (likely for worse).
I think the software lineup will be more than enough hype. New Nintendo hardware is always interesting at reveal, but it's the games that make people go nuts.
I think the software lineup will be more than enough hype. New Nintendo hardware is always interesting at reveal, but it's the games that make people go nuts.
...but then..they could have just had a handheld and a console which played the same content. ..and sold both for less than this hybrid would cost..and had control options that would suit the individual platform.
A basic home console that played the same games as this could certainly be sold for considerably less when you remove the costs of the screen, battery, speakers etc ....and a lower price tends to mean more sales. I'd rather the choice of a handheld, home console and hybrid...as each is then tailored to a specific need (even if all the content is the same).
Thanks! I saw also the tweet now.
Well, let's see the reveal if they stick with the circle pads. Not too hot about those, but not a deal breaker either.
I agree with you, but with the exception of Metroid Prime, Splatoon (which are better with motion controll anyway) and maybe Xenoblade no Nintendo series really benefit from it. You are going to use ABXY more than the second stick with Mario, Zelda, FE, Animal Crossing and so on.
It would be a good solution on Sony or Microsoft platforms, indeed.
LegendofLex
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Every single controller input is used in Breath of the Wild.
Pretty sure left click is for crouching/sneaking and right click is for first-person view.
There's also really no reason why a circle pad couldn't be clickable.
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You would think the left and right control pieces would be reversible thus letting you have two analog sticks at the top if you wish.
A sliding Saturn pad.
You don't know that and your retail experience doesn't speak to that. If anything this could be easier to explain because it operates in a fashion similar to how mobile devices operate these days. The Wii U was the anomaly in 2012 with its pseudo tablet/controller/DS-like second screen and a console that seemed like a Wii re-release, complete with prominent Wiimote functionality.
I'll give you the VMU, but the others were successful and led to imitators. They have nothing to do with Nintendo's misfortunes with the Wii U.
Yeah. Nintendo would sure as hell not be releasing a 720p handheld with a Tegra X1 if they were just going to release a console to cater to home gamers later in the same year. The only way these NX leaks make sense is if this is the only system Nintendo plans to release.
I imagine that maybe the 'two devices with a unified software platform' idea turned out to be too hard or impractical to get working, so they opted for this hybrid route instead.
UnemployedVillain
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Sega had a wealth of other issues that caused their demise. The point is that, accessories aren't inherently confusing for consumers. In fact, the problem with the Wii U was that consumers were so conditioned to accessories and peripherals that they thought it was one
Skittzo0413
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Right, of course they could make a clickable circle pad but in that case they wouldn't be the same exact circle pads people are expecting b based on the 3DS, which should make some people happier.
Though I'm having a hard time imagining clickable circle pads... I'd think they would be clicked by accident too often.
Fourth Storm
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As I have some free time I made a pape model of the handheld given the size specifications on the OP.
And some size comparisons with other stuff.
Here are more interesting comparisons, looking at just the screen and a Galaxy 3 Mini.
And compared to the OG iPad.
Finally, just a controller and a Wii mote.
Obviously I can't do a proper comment on the feel of the thing given how it's made of paper and has the size of a reported dev kit, nonetheless, it feels incredibly bulky, the depth of the device is insane and so is the width, specially with the controllers attached.
pls don't mind my dirty desk.
Here it is with the controllers attached.
And by itself.
Looking at the bottom of the whole set here.
And some size comparisons with other stuff.
Here are more interesting comparisons, looking at just the screen and a Galaxy 3 Mini.
And compared to the OG iPad.
Finally, just a controller and a Wii mote.
Obviously I can't do a proper comment on the feel of the thing given how it's made of paper and has the size of a reported dev kit, nonetheless, it feels incredibly bulky, the depth of the device is insane and so is the width, specially with the controllers attached.
pls don't mind my dirty desk.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Not even remotely similar come on employedhero.
Anyways how they gonna put slide pad? I cant imagine playing bayonetta or an action game with that. 😡😡😡😡
If you mean a NX handheld and NX console combined would cost less than a NX hybrid device, that seems very unlikely given the fact you're using twice as many parts and other materials. I know it's easy to say they should have gone for separate cheaper devices, but isn't it possible they looked into all the scenarios and have projections that determined this is the cheapest route?
If this thing comes in at even $350 (unlikely), it's still cheaper than Wii + DS and Wii U + 3DS.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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fuck yes circle pads. i hate small analogs. much rather have circle pads than Vita style analogs
UnemployedVillain
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It's literally the same scenario as the Wii accessories! No one had trouble juggling them around
PantherLotus
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Ōkami;215560281 said:
Wow that looks much bigger than I imagined. Like WiiU tablet big. Like disaster big.
I am a little bit perplexed to be honest. I know NX hasn't been officially revealed yet and we are simply going off rumors (although it seems like this is the real deal since multiple sources are reporting it). However, it is bizarre that Nintendo seems to be making an evolution of the Wii U, even though they have stated multiple times that the NX will not be related to the Wii U and will be a brand new concept. Having a detachable controllers is a new concept but it is kind of funny that it is basically this:
Why specifically would it be an evolution of the Wii U?
Going by the rumors- this brings together design philosophies from many of Nintendo's past consoles.
The ability to game on the go is obviously nothing new here, but they're returning to a one screen experience like with the game boy.
The two detachable controllers seem to serve two functions - one person holding them both for more elaborate single player experiences, like with the Wii. Or two people holding them separately, SNES style, for simpler, mulitplayer game experiences.
I'd imagine the detachable controllers are an option for when you're on the go, but required when playing at home, when the hardware is docked.
I don't know if there really is going to be a whole other gimmick layered on top of this, beyond allowing a traditional but flexible and fluid way to play Nintendo games. The main question I have would be how much software Nintendo will be pushing purely as a touchscreen/tablet experience. Touch on the tablet and IR use on the big screen would seem to overlap pretty well functionally.
The main hooks of the Wii U were two screen gaming, asynchronous multiplayer, and limited off-screen play. The only thing the NX is really borrowing from the Wii U is the bigger screen, tablet-like functionality.
From a marketing standpoint, the messaging is simple: Play your games where ever, on the small screen or the big one. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.
boclfon479
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I thought that the dimension was 218 and not 281 as in the OP? Emily's sketch seems to support that as well.
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One thing I haven't thought about....
Losing the NX means you lose your portable and home console! Fuckkkk lol
Losing the NX means you lose your portable and home console! Fuckkkk lol
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Yeah you wasnt juggling around Wii it was a home console
blu
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Those were vile. And pixelated. But mostly vile.
casey_contra
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I hope you can play nunchuck-style. I'm just imagining setting the screen on my table tray when I fly and being able to move and maneuver my hands independent of the screen. Would be really cool for something like BotW.
Not at all. You act like 720p and Tegra X1 are a big deal when the former is a resolution that has been standard among portable devices for close to five years and the latter is one of the few chipsets that make sense for a gaming-focused portable with support for the latest engines and tools. In fact, I could just as easily say that they're using that chip because there will be multiple devices, and X1 would give their whole ecosystem a higher baseline.
This device is a bridge between smartphone/tablet and dedicated handheld gaming with a few very basic features for bare-bones TV play. Nothing more, nothing less.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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NeoGAF and anyone who has seen these leaks are in a very small minority when you consider the entire audience. Casual or Hardcore.
James Scott
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Sorry, but I missed this. Where was it debunked?
UnemployedVillain
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Lol because 1 internet forum has seen a few leaks?!
No I meant that if a hybrid is $250, a handheld minus split controllers and dock with a smaller screen/form factor could likely be sold for $179- $199 by itself...and a home console minus dock, screen,battery etc. with normal controller could be sold for $149.
I believe a handheld selling for $179 + a home console selling for $149 (which both have the same guts gpu/cpu...and both play the same games)....
..would sell far better than a hybrid selling for $249. Two devices tailored to each specific market are going to do better than a hybrid that is a jack of all trades and master of none.
Yep. I love being able to just adjust my grip for a SNES style controller. Haven't played many sticks and triggers games on Wii U, but I like having a convenient 2D controller posture.
Not quite debunked, but:
1. The dimensions are impossible if we assume the drawings are even close to reality AND the screen is 6.2" as stated. Like it's not possible at all unless there is an enormous bezel on just the sides of the screen.*
2. Rather conveniently, if you switch 281mm to 218mm, then it all fits nicely and looks pretty much like the picture does.
So not debunked, just an educated dismissal.
*it's possible. But would be bizarre even by Nintendo's standards.
Edit: As a visual aid, this is with the assumption that it's more like 220mm than 280mm
Which fits with the diagram in the OP very well.
DecoReturns
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They just add to the desire to see the NX. Besides most want to see the games more then the system itself.
Rumors are just rumors. A small community isn't going to make them rush their announcement
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