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Makes sense, that would allow both controllers to have the same layout when used individually

 

[MuchoMalo]

please be true

a pro controller that basically has the 360 layout for analog sticks would be GOD TIER

I really think that we would have heard about a pro controller by now.


Edit: By the way guys, I just realized that Nintendo can announce an event in tomorrow's direct without having to mention that it's for NX, much like how Sony's invite says nothing about Neo. Just saying.

 

[PadWarrior]

I wonder what colors this system will come in? Just black and white or have diferent colors like the game cube did.

 

[Astral Dog]

Oooohhhh

now i get it, NX shaping to be quite an interesting device :O

but i just hope its not cluncky like the Wii U gamepad, that thing is uncomfortable, NX has to be thin

 

[cmChimera]

Absolutely funny 80% of this board believes Nintendo screwed around with Wii U marketing yet this device will be fine to market. None of it add up imo

Criticizing Nintendo's marketing of the Wii U isn't the same as saying the system is difficult to market correctly.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Oooohhhh

now i get it, NX shaping to be quite an interesting device :O

but i just hope its not cluncky like the Wii U gamepad, that thing is uncomfortable, NX has to be thin

Thin can also be bad - DS lite.

Just make it ergonomic, damn it.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Wait till they show the actual damn thing.

Tell that to everybody else too!

 

[Astral Dog]

I wonder what colors this system will come in? Just black and white or have diferent colors like the game cube did.

if its like the portables they will have a varied variety of colors and models to choose,in time of course

 

[ShadowFox08]

I really think that we would have heard about a pro controller by now.

Why don't we go back to analog triggers though?

 

[Skittzo0413]

The Wii U rumor was always a controller with a screen that can stream the video from the tv to the screen. Never this wonky, Knex lego transformers thing.

Absolutely funny 80% of this board believes Nintendo screwed around with Wii U marketing yet this device will be fine to market. None of it add up imo

We don't know how old this devkit is- all I'm saying is that the design of a devkit or prototype is not that indicative of the design of the final product.

As to your second point, I never said or implied any of that. If this device is exactly like the mockups and rumors then yes, it will do terribly and be a nightmare to market. What I'm saying is that these rumors and mockups are based on second hand reports of a devkit or prototype, and we don't even know if it's the current devkit. I'm saying that you should not assume the final product will be designed exactly like these rumors. It will likely have all of the rumored features, but the design may be wildly different.

I have the Nvidia Shield K1 (there is no X1 model) and its worth noting that the K1 model that is being sold has nothing with it. no chords, 4G, etc The original Nvidia Shield was $300 and the K1 is a stripped down version of it.

I would imagine this will be $250. If i remember correctly 3DS launched at $250 as well? or am i way off. Regardless i will buy it either way. As a Nvidia Shield owner, the K1 is perfect for gaming, so i am excited for X1. Plus nintendo has the perfect games for portable. Not huge on their home consoles, but thier portables i always love. Mainly because Pokemon, but there games just fit portables overall.

I'm referring to the Shield console, which does have a TX1 and is sold for $199. The major hardware difference between that and the rumored NX* is the screen, battery and controls, and the screen and controls will not be expensive whatsoever. I think Nintendo could keep this under $199 depending on the battery and storage they're putting in. $250 is definitely possible though too.

*Ignoring the Pascal rumor for the purposes of the price comparison.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Anyone expecting NX to be anywhere near as thin as a standard phone or tablet in its final configuration is going to be disappointed. You guys also want a thin unit with analog triggers. How do you not see the problem here?

 

[PadWarrior]

if its like the portables they will have a varied variety of colors and models to choose,in time of course

True.

 

[Mega]

FFS, can people here stop jumping to conclusions? We haven't even had an official announcement. Hell, we haven't even moved beyond the codename for the system and already people are making judgements based on what they THINK is the case

Yes. Definitive know-it-all statements on how a company should design new hardware or else they face imminent demise... it's absurd. It's no wonder these threads get locked after a while.

Agree. It looks like an absolute mess. What game uses one stick, 4 face buttons and one shoulder button?

Garbage idea and unfortunately, knowing Nintendo it will be followed by garbage execution. REALLY hoping I'm proven wrong.

You mean what game uses a direction input and a few buttons? Besides a lot of games?

Not directed at you specifically, just the general tone in here, but I don't even get how any of this is a mess:

It's exactly how a modern handheld should look and how past recent handhelds have looked, except it has some other optional functionality like 2-player setup. The controllers come apart to function exactly like the NES/SNES controller or sideways Wii controllers do. All proven designs. How is that a disaster?

Christ man, did his post punctuated by a smily emoticon really hurt your feelings that much?

He did cry for 12 months.

 

[Like the hat?]

Back needs to have changeable faceplates. Well I guess back-plates.

 

[Smellycat]

I am a little bit perplexed to be honest. I know NX hasn't been officially revealed yet and we are simply going off rumors (although it seems like this is the real deal since multiple sources are reporting it). However, it is bizarre that Nintendo seems to be making an evolution of the Wii U, even though they have stated multiple times that the NX will not be related to the Wii U and will be a brand new concept. Having a detachable controllers is a new concept but it is kind of funny that it is basically this:

 

[PadWarrior]

I hope it supports the Wii u pro controller. But very interested in what I'm hearing about so far.

 

[greekappi]

Thin can also be bad - DS lite.

You take that back! The DS Lite is the greatest handheld ever made.

 

[Kissenkopf]

I am a little bit perplexed to be honest. I know NX hasn't been officially revealed yet and we are simply going off rumors (although it seems like this is the real deal since multiple sources are reporting it). However, it is bizarre that Nintendo seems to be making an evolution of the Wii U, even though they have stated multiple times that the NX will not be related to the Wii U and will be a brand new concept. Having a detachable controllers is a new concept but it is kind of funny that it is basically this:

I still remember how every site said that the fake NX controller might be real because they heard rumors that it will look like that. I am still skeptical about some rumors. Not all but some...the reveal will be so fucking sweet.

It's not the first time a prototype wasn't technical possible for an older console and the ideas were put in the next one. Like motion controls for the gamecube.

 

[NoSkillz187]

Did we get clarification if the NX is using sticks or circle pads?

 

[AquaWateria]

People jumping to conclusions and calling it the Wii U 2.0.

What's new...

 

[PadWarrior]

Did we get clarification if the NX is using sticks or circle pads?

Someone confirmed circle pads

 

[Dingotech]

Someone confirmed circle pads

Really... Gross

 

[Vena]

I really think that we would have heard about a pro controller by now.


Edit: By the way guys, I just realized that Nintendo can announce an event in tomorrow's direct without having to mention that it's for NX, much like how Sony's invite says nothing about Neo. Just saying.

Yes, I too expect a leaker to leak every accessory for the system. How could they not?!

 

[Fahzgoolin]

I'm doubting that holding my right thumb that low on a device like that would be comfortable.

Hand cramp city.

A 360 controller worked because of its ergonomic shape.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Criticizing Nintendo's marketing of the Wii U isn't the same as saying the system is difficult to market correctly.

It is tho.. making a complex system to understand is equally related to marketability difficulty

 

[NoSkillz187]

Someone confirmed circle pads

Nah, I don't believe that.

 

[Snakeyes]

Oh, it still plays games and is portable, so it's a GameBoy+ something else.

What did you honestly expect NX to be that is in no way comparable to the hardware nintendo made in the past ? You're being beyond reductionist.

There's being comparable, and then there's taking very specific main selling points of your two previous consoles (Off-TV play and the Wii Remote), tweaking them a little and slapping them together into a single device.

All I'm saying is that you can't take everything Nintendo says at face value.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Someone confirmed circle pads

Who? John Harker come save us!

 

[Mega]

It is tho.. making a complex system to understand is equally related to marketability difficulty

How do you know it will be complicated and difficult to explain, understand and market to the public?

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Thin can also be bad - DS lite.

Just make it ergonomic, damn it.

Wait, what? DS lite felt great.

 

[Brofield]

Please Nintendo, detachable control options means more than one layout as long as they have the same buttons. Just give me a bean button Gamecube controller with the joystick below on the right hand side and I swear I'll never doubt your crazy shenanigans again

 

[Dr. Buni]

I am a little bit perplexed to be honest. I know NX hasn't been officially revealed yet and we are simply going off rumors (although it seems like this is the real deal since multiple sources are reporting it). However, it is bizarre that Nintendo seems to be making an evolution of the Wii U, even though they have stated multiple times that the NX will not be related to the Wii U and will be a brand new concept. Having a detachable controllers is a new concept but it is kind of funny that it is basically this:

It seems more like a reverse Wii U than an evolution of the same to me.

As in being a different take on the concept, being a handheld that can be plugged to the TV, instead of a console with a pseudo-handheld as a controller.

 

[Morts]

Someone confirmed circle pads

If we're talking about a dev kit that doesn't mean much. Early Wii U kits had circle pads.

 

[KingSnake]

Someone confirmed circle pads

Receipts. I haven't seen this anywhere.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Receipts. I haven't seen this anywhere.

Here you go.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215534310&postcount=768

Don't know if it's been posted, but Laura clarified that they are indeed circle pads.

Of course this is for the devkit, so who knows if the final unit will have them.

 

[Dekuboy]

Here you go.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215534310&postcount=768

Of course this is for the devkit, so who knows if the final unit will have them.

(if it is real and the final unit has circle pads)

 

[SpiceMelange]

Guys the Wii U dev kit had circle pads too. Doesn't mean anything.

 

[NoSkillz187]

If we're talking about a dev kit that doesn't mean much. Early Wii U kits had circle pads.

If it's for the dev kit then let's not all jump the gun yet.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

How do you know it will be complicated and difficult to explain, understand and market to the public?

Its complex by design...

 

[Sadist]

UE4 support is very important, good thing to hear.

 

[maxcriden]

Yeah what's wrong with holding them like dual Wii remotes? That's probably the most comfortable controller setup there is, and it gives you tons of input options.

Considering the first game confirmed to be on the NX, Zelda: BotW, uses every face, shoulder and trigger button for input I would be incredibly surprised if the NX doesn't have all of the same buttons.

Also I guess I'm late to the party for #TeamLovedSkywardSword

Oh! Good point. Zelda Wii U used triggers. So, it's reasonable to think Zelda NX will also. Malo, at the least you're going to have some option to play using triggers, even if they're not on the HH. We have every indication Nintendo will continue to offer many ways to control a game.

I doubt the detachable controllers for local multiplayer will make it to the final concept ... I think that was a concept of what is possible like the Wii U being able to use 2 game pads at the same time.

I think it will just be the screen plus controllers (they dont act separately when detached). I think the detachable part is for replacement purposes as well as customization.

There's no reason to make the controllers detachable if you cant use them when detached. Whether it's for local MP on the go or for local MP at a TV, there's no reason bot to utilize them and IIRC both the rumors and patents point in this direction. I agree the detachable nature will help a lot with customization and replacement.

Seriously? They look like a better version of the Wiimote except with 4 face buttons instead of 2. The Wiimote was fantastic on its own.

I don't understand why people don't recognize the Wiimote as the GOAT controller, especially since you could add the Nunchuk to it. As a 2D game fan the Wiimote is the perfect controller to me, though.

I imagine there will be multiple forms of the controllers sold separately. That's why it's detachable. They made it modular.

I completely agree. Third party accessory manufacturers and game makers will be all over this. Maybe there can be a new Guitar Hero add-on like we had for DS. My hands cringe in pain thinking of how ergonomically difficult that was for me.

What's wrong with detachable controllers acting independently? Remember Wii Sports? All you needed was a single Wiimote. This can effectively allow 2 players to play Wii sports right out of the box. Or alternatively, for single player games, you can hold two of these controllers in a Wiimote-nunchuk configuration but with both controllers having a full suite of buttons and motion control. Seems like one of the best control schemes possible.

This I agree with. The rumors make this sound very overcomplicated, and if the final product is anything remotely close to this complex, then Nintendo is gonna need to do a hell of a job marketing this to communicate the concepts clearly. Otherwise I don't see it being very successful.

To the first point, I completely agree. To the second, even if we consolidate all the reasonable or corroborated rumors, I don't think we end up with too complex of a product. I was saying earlier ITT that all consoles and HHs have several secondary features that require further explanation at times or aren't apparent on the surface, and those mamage to avoid confusion by focusing their marketng on a couple key features and then secondary features are left for the interested consumer to discover, if that makes sense. I hope we will see something similar here.

Unfortunately, comparisons to the Wii U may cause some confusion. Especially if the advertising isn't on point.

They shouldn't show anyone using the NX as a handheld at home, even though you can. As soon as they show a house setting, that thing needs to be docked.

Excellent point and I completely agree.

It is totally going to be for local multiplayer too. IT's 100% Nintendo (replaces what wiimotes are used for) and aims for the casual audience that these streaming boxes are aiming for. STreaming boxes like the Apple TV which has a small remote that also is a very simple game controller.

But u do make a good point that the detachable controller opens up a ton of possibilities for customized controllers that could be swapped in and out. That's actually pretty interesting.

Also fits Nintendo's MO of bundling unique hardware with their games.

They could bundle a detachable trackball controller in with a game designed for it.

They could offer detachable controlllers with the sticks in different positions if there was a demand for it.

Also really great point that it makes a ton of sense from a replacement purposes aspect as well.

More great points. I think local MP in this case means on the TV or the tablet. The former is still hard for me to picture as enticing, but, there are a lot of games and ways of playing video games that today's kids enjoy that I have to admit not understanding, so maybe local MP on the go with controllers is be one of those things and kids and others will be thrilled to have it. Especially with, as I think others have said, an iPad-style stand.

The male end of anything is more prone to bending or breaking. Better that something on the attachment breaks and gets replaced than on the system itself. It's that way with pretty much every console with controller, signal, power, memory card and accessory ports. I think it's weird anytime a piece of electronics itself has the pins or connectors. If they bend or something, you're fucked.

As a male, I cringed reading the first sentence here.

Yeah it could end controlling better than a 3ds but worse than a Wii U gamePad.

But I would guess that a pro controller will be an option.

I think so, yeah plus other attachable controllers. And Wiimote support likely means BC with other Wii/Wii U controllers as well.

 

[Mega]

Its complex by design...

Please clarify how. It's a tablet with NES-style controllers that come on and off. The Wii was a massive success and was more complex than this with its multiple controller accessories and different ways to play, as well as having to educate consumers on the then-brand-new motion controls.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Its complex by design...

What design? The various mockups people have been coming up with? Show me an NX design from Nintendo

 

[Pifje]

Its complex by design...

Lego kits are complex by design.

 

[Serenitynow]

Apparently the LPVG girl clarified that they were circle pads as opposed to analog sticks.

But guys

DEV KIIIITTTTSSSSS

Nothing these two say should be taken as proof of anything in the final product.

Edit: Beaten by a lot of people

 

[NateDrake]

Remember these are dev kits/prototypes. Major details like screen size and resolution are likely final, but something like circle pads can change rather easily.

 

[JStein0222]

Okay, so it's not that crazy.

It's basically just a tablet with 2 updated and removable Wii remotes stuck on both sides. Seems like a pretty natural evolution from the Wii and Wii U. Trigger placement would allow fine split controller grip, as well as a steady handle for when the screen is attached.

Will be pleased if that's what we're getting

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Please clarify how. It's a tablet with NES-style controllers that come on and off. The Wii was a massive success and was more complex than this with its multiple controller accessories and different ways to play, as well as having to educate consumers on the then-brand-new motion controls.

The fact the controllers omes on and off, multiplayer.. flip and connect to tv and designed for 2 purposes. I worked retail and people had a hard time understanding Wii U trying to explain this would be a step above that. Come on yall cant be serious

What design? The various mockups people have been coming up with? Show me an NX design from Nintendo

I cant do that. Im going off the rumors.

Lego kits are complex by design.

Nah they all look the same.. Legos are simple for even small children with the tiniest amount of intuition.

 

[PantherLotus]

Most people are missing that the TV OUT on the unit is more or less proof that Nintendo is leaving the traditional console race for good. It's a handheld. This is the 3DS2, but with more power and the ability to look ok on a big screen.

They own the non-phone handheld space, might as well get all the Nintendo diehards onto one unit and all resources directed into one platform.

... it's actually kinda brilliant ...

 

[UberTag]

Remember these are dev kits/prototypes. Major details like screen size and resolution are likely final, but something like circle pads can change rather easily.

So there's still hope the circle pads will get replaced with a Saturn/Vita-equivalent D-Pad then? Phew, crisis averted.
You had me worried there for a second, Nintendo.