Peterthumpa
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To think that there's probably a working development NX unit 2 hours from here (Redmond) makes me almost assault the place for news.
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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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Jpop
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I think your issue is that you think that they will be used separately. It is more likely that they for an actual controller and that the system will come with a controller.
Dark Cloud
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I think for me this "hybrid" is really the successor to the 3DS. Nintendo just made it powerful enough to where it could have console like games on it for tv. Their bread and butter is the handheld market and they want to go for something that will definitely sell, especially in Japan.
Plus, the 3DS came out before the Wii U, so it makes sense its successor would release prior to the Wii U. I see a true home console experience (successor to Wii U) coming by holiday 2018 and it will be part of this NX family (in terms of OS) like Iwata wanted.
This first NX hybrid can have probably different skus to it or docks that boost power or what not.
Plus, the 3DS came out before the Wii U, so it makes sense its successor would release prior to the Wii U. I see a true home console experience (successor to Wii U) coming by holiday 2018 and it will be part of this NX family (in terms of OS) like Iwata wanted.
This first NX hybrid can have probably different skus to it or docks that boost power or what not.
James Scott
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I'm not saying it'll power the system in this case, but if even conservative estimates with the X1/X2 chip put it at above Wii U then it should be able to render Wii U games that were 1080p at 1080p. Whether it's super sampled on the handheld or disabled I'm not sure.
Peterthumpa
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Two possible reasons:
a) the dock is a way more elegant solution than just leaving the NX sliding left and right near the TV
b) the dock allows for an overclock possibility / 1080p
Similar to the poster quoted below me, I cant understand how the TV out reconciles with everything else we've heard, unless it is a devkit only feature. It seems far too clunky to make it so you can connect the NX to the TV with just a cord. A dock is more table and will be conveyed more cleanly in marketing. Then if we say there ia no dock, or the dock is not required, the marketing is a potential mess and in some senses we have to further question all of the rumors. That is, assuming this is a TV out for a cord and not where it plugs in to the dock.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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This is a new system, it should have the best inputs possible.
Unless these are a new kind of circle pad, it's not going to be the best way to play.
They have no excuse unless this folds like the 3DS and I saw something about folding but this doesn't seem the case.
Skittzo0413
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I actually think this is the main reason why the dock will actually do something. So far we've heard that the dock exists and has USB ports, but pretty much nothing else. The dock could have some gimmick or feature that developers are still unaware of that Nintendo is saving for the reveal.
Otherwise why is the dock even included with the devkits? That makes no sense to me...
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It's going to have to be a new type of circle pad, since they will likely need to be clickable in order to play BotW.
I agree, and in that case it makes me think the dock will offer a change in clock speeds and then USB and controller connectivity.
But, I don't recall, did the devkits have a dock or just included documentation about the dock? I guess it was the former.
TAS
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I'm starting to think this whole 'hybrid' idea is more trouble than it's worth. Why not just keep it simple and have a handheld version that runs 720p and a console version (I'm thinking something small and sleek like Shield TV) that runs 1080p? This satisfies both demographics and does away with this blasted 'dock' which is sounding more and more pointless to me.
Skittzo0413
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I don't think we know for sure. Eurogamer mentioned that the NX "brain" (presumably the screen portion) connects to a base unit/docking station and Emily says she heard it has 2 USB ports. I think that's all we've heard about it, and while those hints suggest that it's from a devkit I guess we don't know for sure.
Just the lack of informative about it coupled with the fact that it's there and apparently worth mentioning makes me think that there is some yet to be revealed functionality having to do with the dock. Maybe it's related to processing power or clock speed, or maybe it's something entirely different and novel. Either way it's hard for me to believe it's just a simple TV connector.
Booker.DeWitt
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less powerful than ps4 and Xbox one? what the fuck?
The choices are nothing or, docked performance mode. I can't expect a GPU in the dock because it will drive up costs.
If there is a supposed gimmick for the dock, what else could it do?
- Holograms?
- Image projection?
- Alarm Clock?
AquaWateria
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Where have you been.....
Dark Cloud
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Almost the same here. I won't say I'm disappointed, but it would be useless for me since I have no one else to play with locally. Still its big selling point is how Nintendo will be able to make so many more games for it now-by combining handheld and console.
I'll say I'm glad these rumors have come out. They've tempered my expectations of what the NX is. I'm ready to see the games! We've got no leaks on those.
jchap
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We know nothing!
Booker.DeWitt
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rumors talked about same power ,no? but inferior? damn it, way to kill third party support
AquaWateria
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We don't exactly know what the damn thing looks like. Just a basic concept.
Its all been rumors.
You're right, what we think we know
Skittzo0413
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Some kind of streaming? Maybe like reverse Wii U? Or maybe a Nintendo version of the Kinect? Honestly I have no idea but the fact that it's being mentioned by these rumors at all doesn't make sense if it's just a charger and TV passthrough.
Refreshment.01
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While the analogs could be clickable is not because of BotW, there are many ways to map the control scheme of the latest Zelda without needing the Clicks. Specially when you consider the NX (according to rumors) have Wii like motion controllers and a touch screen.
i forgot to edit my previous post max, let me know what you think:
The TV out might not be a Dev Kit feature but actually for the retail product:
- It could be the part of the NX that transmits video physically to the dock when attached.
- And it might be a simple way to connect the NX to a TV in a place that doesn't have the dock near by. For example, a friends house.
- i do hope the dock has Wifi so you can use the touch screen features while playing on the TV thought as it open a ton of interactions possibilities and local asymmetrical play.
You still use both controllers to play on your own though. Not sure why this would be a problem.
Initially yes, back when it was believed to be two different devices. That went out the window over the last month or two since rumors of Tegra and it being a hybrid started. The more we hear the more it seems like a handheld replacement rather than any kind of true console. So unless there is an actual console that is under wraps, or they plan to augment the devices power in some way down the line, this is pretty much what we have.
The detachable controller thing sounds like a cluster by the way.
The moment it was rumored to be a hybrid that should have been expected. No way can you make a portable that keeps up with consoles, even if they're almost three years old now.
The NX streaming to the dock was mentioned already but it doesn't sound like a revolution since the Wii U does it.
I mentioned weeks ago speculating about using IR cameras for improved facial recognition and hand gesture input. Although that would be on the NX as well.
So, really. I'm starting to feel like an alarm clock on the dock feels likely for a gimmick. lol
Dark Cloud
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I know what you're saying, but that's not a innovation. That's just a controller, but not attached to each other. It's like taking the NES controller and breaking it in half. Then you hold one piece in your left hand and the other piece in your right hand to play games. We've had this for over 30 years. The only true difference would be both are motion controllers instead of the Wii remote where it was one motion controller.
The innovation Nintendo would push is how you can take each controller and give one to one person and the other to another person for multiplayer-that's useless to me is all I'm saying if that's the innovation they're going for.
Trust me I'm not complaining. I just want to play some Nintendo games lol.
The Strokes
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I'm still not sure what Nintendo is going for with the detachable controllers. Wouldn't be easier to just have the controllers physically attached to the console and a Pro controles bundled with the console/dock?
Either way, I'm excited. The more leaks I read the more I think this sounds as a terrific handheld and a good console compliment to the PS4/XBO/PC. I just wished someone would leak the reveal date already, haha.
Either way, I'm excited. The more leaks I read the more I think this sounds as a terrific handheld and a good console compliment to the PS4/XBO/PC. I just wished someone would leak the reveal date already, haha.
Anything on par with Wii u graphics would be fine by me. That would be a huge leap from the 3DS. As long as it's HD and textures and geometry are crisp and clear it will look fine. Most Nintendo games rely more on their art style and less on graphical power anyway.
Skittzo0413
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I doubt there would be any functionality relegated only to the touch screen since that will presumably be unavailable while docked. I also don't know how the motion controls can be used to simulate two distinct input buttons (crouch and first person view for the two stick clicks) but I guess it's a possibility. I just think it's much likelier that the circle pads (if they do decide to go with them) would be clickable.
Yeah who knows. Maybe it's the QoL device, monitoring both your sleep AND your gaming habits!
James Scott
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Because it allows them to make different games using different control schemes. If you have a game that uses motion controls then it would be exclusive to one SKU out of two limiting your audience potential.
Same thing if you have a touchscreen exclusive game.
This allows for these two different types of experience and the two different audiences to come together and support one platform
"on paper"
AppleSautts
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Looks like Emily has something else up her sleeve:
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/771178364996431874
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/771178364996431874
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Maybe in a nightmare I could.
For me it's not about single or multi player use of the controllers. It's simply pointless. If I'm at home, I can pull out two controllers or a wiimote and nunchuck.
Why do I need to detach the controllers at any point? I just get the feeling detachable controllers will make it larger and less portable than it really needs to be, but maybe, hopefully that won't be the case.
I'm a little bit more critical because I don't think the Wii U controller was any good, it was way too big and also terrible for kids to use comfortably.
One thing to consider....
Presumably games will have some degree of touch screen functionality. We also know that the controllers have wiimote functionality for motion control. They may also have IR aiming or something similar.
IR aiming with two controllers would allow people to simulate touchscreen input on games while they are playing on the TV. Games could even be designed with this functionality in mind and play a little differently docked versus un-docked. Maybe they would lean less on the touch screen while hooked to the TV, and the IR cursor might function a bit differently than normal touch controls, but some sort of simulated touch mode would let games work in both settings without the need for a total redesign.
Dark Cloud
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Damn I'm in love with Emily lol. She's spoiling us way too much! I hope she does it a few hours prior to the Nintendo Direct. I can't tell her on Twitter, but can you guys tell her to do it when the Direct is happening?Looks like Emily has something else up her sleeve:
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/771178364996431874
James Scott
Banned
It's two motion controllers. Allows for side ways wiimote/NES pad controls for multiplayer alongside being able to use both motion controllers like Wii Motion+.
It's a handheld
Roto Prime
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Looks like Emily has something else up her sleeve:
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/771178364996431874
Yooooo!!
Refreshment.01
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You do remember this is also a portable console? When gaming away from the TV there's no problem suplementing the physical inputs with virtual buttons since the user's attention is focused on the touch screen.
When you have a Free Degrees of Freedom controller for each hand, the problem becomes what inputs to use since so much of them are available. You can even use the pointing functionality to interect with the HUD elements on the TV to substitute buttons. Or a simple and slight downwards gesture could toggle Link's croucing animation.
i even remember mapping the BotW control scheme to a Wii Remote/Nunchuck combo in the reveal thread and it came out rather decent. XD
And anyways, im not saying the sticks won't be able to depress. im just saying if this ends up happening is not because BotW would be umplayable on the NX without them.
Looks like Emily has something else up her sleeve:
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/771178364996431874
Nate already told us the secret. NX has lasers!
*pew pew*
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Hopefully its about games or reveal date. Any more goofy form factors or specs ima have to touch somebody!Looks like Emily has something else up her sleeve:
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/771178364996431874
Dark Cloud
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Why do you hate me so much? Lol
Looks like Emily has something else up her sleeve:
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/771178364996431874
Putting the foot down, god damn.
Dr. Buni
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Color me hyped.Looks like Emily has something else up her sleeve:
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/771178364996431874
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