I asked because a second source told Emily that NX was about as thick as the bottom part of the N3DSxl.
Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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I asked because a second source told Emily that NX was about as thick as the bottom part of the N3DSxl.
HDMI/TV-out... to USB...? For specific data transfer, disc syncs, power flow, and whatever else is attached?
Don't think that works.
RavageDark
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I can't speak for any other person since I still don't really buy the rumor about this being the NX. But me personally, considering that the Wii U itself can do 1080p with some games, I don't people would be wrong to be disappointed if the NX is a native 720p.
I did see that. I just thought you checked but couldn't find the measurements because I can't either.
Someone has to measure but... it's going to vary so you need to put in a 0.5mm margin of error if you measure it with a ruler in mm.
KojiKnight
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This should have been pretty clear early on when absolutely zero rumors mentioned enhanced features for the dock... I mentioned a couple times people shouldn't get their hopes up there.
Let's remember though that the dev kits did use active cooling, so it still has to be reasonably high specced, even if the final goes inactive and uses Parker.
I see. No, I actually hoped someone here would own the device and bother to measure
Sorry, I'll edit my post. Thank you. I should said dimension singular, just was being lazy.
Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not sure I'm following. From what I've read in this thread, HDMI outs are common in devkits and may not be related to the final product.
The dock may or may not augment but this doesn't prove or disprove that.
Edit: to clarify, I'm using augment interchangeably with "higher clock speeds being enabled," here, i.e. any difference in performance on HH vs. TV.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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The Thickness
There is a difference between speedstepping a processor, and thinking there is a magical dock with secret sauce.
I'm still hoping for this. Because if not then we really don't have an actual hybrid on our hands, just a really nice handheld with AV Out.
KojiKnight
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Literally none of the rumors mentioned and benefits besides tv out to the dock... If such an important feature was part of the dock, it almost certainly would have been mentioned with it.
And yes, expecting the power to scale regardless of how you phrase it was expecting secret sauce from the dock.
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I'm guessing the comments the source gave were an approximation, but I just measured mine on the right side (viewed as if you were playing it) and it's around 14mm. If you include the slight lip the bottom screen has (measuring the middle at the front), it's about 15mm.
No, it would be the undocking that would lower the performance. Not docking it beefing it.
Thanks.
Plinko
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This isn't quite true. The power of the system will be at minimum twice as powerful as Wii U. If it is running at 720p native resolution, that can look better than 1080p upscaled depending on the power of the system running the game.
Skittzo0413
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Why are you all thinking this will only be capable of rendering 720p? Resolution is not a hardware spec, except for screens.
If we are assuming any of these rumors are accurate then we should assume the Tegra X1 or Pascal rumor is too, and therefore the NX is well over 2x more powerful than the Wii U, so it is more than capable of rendering 1080p Wii U games at 1080p...
And the ability to split off the controllers, which turn into individual wiimotes, allowing for motion controlled gaming while it's hooked to a TV--something that wouldn't work at all on any other handheld. And each side can become a singular nes-style controller for multiplayer experiences. It can sit in a dock, and charge up while you continue playing your game on a bigger screen.
Definitely, this thing is a hybrid, regardless of whether or not the dock augments power. It has too many features catering specifically to TV play.
Yes, this, and then with what Skittzo said below you, it's also possible the game on the actual TV (or HH) might render at 1080.
That's been dead for a while.
JStein0222
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Me too, so much about the NX excites me.
I'm in the camp of people that wants a decently powerful portable from Nintendo and nothing else, so a hybrid console sounds like a good compromise. Really excited to have Nintendo's dev teams focused on one console, and, in theory, enjoy more games without investing too much in hardware.
RavageDark
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If it's that powerful, how much of a handheld could it feasibly be?
The more realistic expectation for the dock was always just that it would enable higher clock speeds, but that only requires a power plug, not a dock.
KojiKnight
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Semantics.
Either way too many people heard the dock and assumed it was secret sauce... It's still going to be amazing hardware that I'm going to buy day 1, but it never ceases to amaze me why new consoles always bring out the crazy in speculators.
To clarify my above post in reply to AzaK and Vena, I'm using augment interchangeably with "higher clock speeds being enabled," here, i.e. any difference in performance on HH vs. TV. Apologies if that's not the correct term.
I'm seriously expecting casualties if it's revealed that there is no docked performance mode.
I already saw one guy feel convinced that a docked performance mode is what separates a hybrid from a portable while ignoring that local multiplayer with multiple controllers connected to the NX would qualify it as a hybrid due to home console features unrelated to power.
I already saw one guy feel convinced that a docked performance mode is what separates a hybrid from a portable while ignoring that local multiplayer with multiple controllers connected to the NX would qualify it as a hybrid due to home console features unrelated to power.
There wasn't anything really crazy about it. Mobile devices running at lower speeds when on battery isn't anything new or "secret sauce." It was reasonable, and really I'd say that Nintendo is unreasonable for not doing it. Again, not an ounce of consideration was put into making this an effective console.
James Scott
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I'm not sure any rumors have said that. There's nothing pointing towards it outside the 720p screen, but if they're building a system that's meant to plug into the TV I'd imagine they would look into more options to better suite that play environment. Would be quite the bummer to go from 1080p smash to 720p for arbitrary reason since the NX should be able to handle it.
Their base is really terrible too, as it begins to crack and if you have enough play time, can eventually lead to the circle pad breaking off. I've seen so many instances of this at our Monhan meetup, along with two of my own (although only one entirely breaking). Really shit build quality, nearly N64 levels.
Dr. Buni
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I am quite excited too
I still feel like there's going to be a second SKU here that will act as an enhanced dock. I can't see Nintendo releasing just a dock that acts as a passthrough and no option to upgrade for people that want it. NX right now feels like an amalgamation of all these old Nintendo ideas under one roof.
Is there an inherent reason why the main device can't output multiple native resolutions?
I've only gotten more confused from reading everyone's posts, cause I can't tell who knows what they are talking about, and who is just pessimistically speculating.
So I'm asking cause I really don't know: assuming the main device is powerful enough to render a game at 1080p, and assuming that the game it's running can output at native 1080p (like smash 4 for example), why can't the device play it at two different native resolutions in two different contexts (on the go and docked to the television)?
Is it strictly an issue of power, or more a problem of the device knowing when it is or is not connected to the dock?
I've only gotten more confused from reading everyone's posts, cause I can't tell who knows what they are talking about, and who is just pessimistically speculating.
So I'm asking cause I really don't know: assuming the main device is powerful enough to render a game at 1080p, and assuming that the game it's running can output at native 1080p (like smash 4 for example), why can't the device play it at two different native resolutions in two different contexts (on the go and docked to the television)?
Is it strictly an issue of power, or more a problem of the device knowing when it is or is not connected to the dock?
If I had to guess, if there isn't a specific Dock Mode in terms of upclocking the NX, games like Smash 4 can be rendered in 1080p but display at 720p on the handheld screen.
AquaWateria
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When this baby gets revealed Neogaf is either going to be satisfied or go on a hunt and bitch like crazy.
We all know its going to be the latter because most only care about hardware power levels lol.
I have no doubt the NX could render at 1080p however, trying to picture Smash Bros that everyone points to.
Assuming the TV connector on the NX is a dev-kit only feature.
Either the NX wirelessly streams to the dock or, if it doesn't, you still have to attach a HDMI cable to it and then to the TV or the dock which needs It's own HDMI cable to the TV.
This makes it hard to see a docked performance mode. It can render at 1080p but it will not have the graphical effects it could use at 720p for example.
Isn't so weird? Either it renders at 1080p without a docked performance mode to stream wirelessly or, it renders and streams at 720p and then when docked it suddenly renders at 1080p when streaming.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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The Rams moved to los angeles over the summer. If thats any indication of how strong the NX is, the NX is a joke.Leak the specs already! Tell us about the rams
If all this ends up being fake or at least getting only half the picture of what NX is, then these topics are going to be very fun to look back on. lol
Iwata's words of it being a platform rather than a specific console (and that they're not doing a hybrid machine) still is ringing in my head.. I mean things could've changed in the house of Mario since those statements, but something also tells me that they're gonna stick to his words.
Iwata's words of it being a platform rather than a specific console (and that they're not doing a hybrid machine) still is ringing in my head.. I mean things could've changed in the house of Mario since those statements, but something also tells me that they're gonna stick to his words.
TyMiles2012
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Plus they're still touting it as a "New way of playing games". Gaming has evolved to the perfect position that it's hard to think of a way that could be "New"
Wowfunhappy
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It's hard to believe these leaks could ALL be fake when they're coming from a variety of different, unrelated sources. I mean, crazier things have happened, but it seems really unlikely.
James Scott
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I think TV out via the dock is wired. Don't see why it wouldn't be. I think they'll design certain games with 1080p TV output without needing to be powered by the dock. Whether they just limit it while in portable mode will likely be up to the devs. That's not to say "expect all NX games to be 1080p" or anything, but some like Wii U before it
James Scott
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Sorry, double post
I do think this is the NX and likely the only one for awhile, though. Cant imagine all these sources are all 100% wrong
I think they can and likely will release a console later on. Like Neo and Scorpio, there will be very little reason not to. If it bombs then that's fine as it'll likely just run games from this NX
I do think this is the NX and likely the only one for awhile, though. Cant imagine all these sources are all 100% wrong
Skittzo0413
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...what? I don't understand that question at all...
I do agree that Iwata's description of their future hardware does not jive very well with the information that's been leaked but it would be awfully surprising if all of these sources were flat out wrong. Obviously they are likely not 100% accurate and things will change before the NX launches but I very highly doubt they ate 100% BS.
There's been so many rumors and bits of speculation about this machine that even one or two of them being false could lead to a completely different console than what expectations have been built in here (and other NX speculation topics).
Despite some sources having some credibility, idk if we can say that anything we've heard can be said in absolute confidence.
For all we know, Nintendo could just be making a handheld and a console with similar architecture and a shared library, and that's that (something that is still a possibility, give or take a few rumors that imply otherwise).
I still feel like that's the most common sense route that they'd take, but I guess Nintendo's nintendency to do the weird and unexpected makes it anyone's game as long as it doesn't heavily contradict what most people have agreed on, lol.
And I can't blame people for seeing the weight in these statements nor having fun with it (I've done more mockups for this thing than I'd like to admit), but I think there's now so many convinced it's unquestionably true that it'd be an amazing situation if/when a lot of it ends up not true lol.
Despite some sources having some credibility, idk if we can say that anything we've heard can be said in absolute confidence.
For all we know, Nintendo could just be making a handheld and a console with similar architecture and a shared library, and that's that (something that is still a possibility, give or take a few rumors that imply otherwise).
I still feel like that's the most common sense route that they'd take, but I guess Nintendo's nintendency to do the weird and unexpected makes it anyone's game as long as it doesn't heavily contradict what most people have agreed on, lol.
And I can't blame people for seeing the weight in these statements nor having fun with it (I've done more mockups for this thing than I'd like to admit), but I think there's now so many convinced it's unquestionably true that it'd be an amazing situation if/when a lot of it ends up not true lol.
Of course the dock will be connected to the TV via HDMI.
Either the NX transfers data wirelessly to the dock or, it has direct contact with dock. Or both.
We're so in the dark though about whether the dock does anything to the NX's performance which is why I'm not expecting it.
Refreshment.01
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To the posters making these mock ups with that Analogs to Dpad/Face button arrangment:
What dimensions are you exactly thinking? Maybe im missing something but it nevers add up to me how it could work, not even since the first thread.
i' ve been speculating the lenght of the detachable halfs to be about 4''. The rumor, even if wrong now, suggested aproximately 3.75''. From personal experience with different controllers, an average sized thumb can confortably operate a vertical aligned (not offset) thumbstick and face buttons when the distance between the stick and "B" is within 2'' of each other.
When you arange the buttons such as the above mock to allow NES style play the distance exceeds 2''. Now, if you arrange them closer and more to the center so the distance is around those 2'', when holding the controller NES style, yours thumbs are too close and in some cases there's even a chance your thumbs might colide with each other when moving the stick to right most direction toward the face buttons.
Might be wrong but it seems to me the ergonomics for operating the controller in vertical setup are been compromised to accomodate the NES style play for 2 players.
With the above in mind and the l14 mm thickness of the rumor:
- Ones has to wonder how could you include a trigger into a 14 mm thick device.
- Save some really out of the ordinary redesign of a trigger, the thicknes above means that a shoulder button could be used instead. Maybe an arched one like the Wii U Gampead.
- There would be many possibilities opening up about the operational orientation of the controller if Nintendo used image linear sensors to simulate index finger inputs, however users would miss the extra feedback. Even with the more advanced actuators. So chance for this are somewhat low.
- It seems that to get a 2 handed operated controller (NES style) the 2 halfs need to be combined either by using a coupler or by attaching them to each other in some way.
- Related to the above, the local multiplayer for 2 would be limited to Wii Remote like vertical held set up.
- This could mean for additional controllers, the 2 parts would be bundled with each other. INstead something like NUnchuck and Remote sold separetely.
im not thinking that, a lot of the mock ups are. That is why i quoted the above one as an example.
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