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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock

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This really seems like just a handheld. If there isn't a home console that's sad. I kind of have a feeling Nintendo just considered the home console space dead for them right now. Maybe they will try to launch something near (most likely after) the Scorpio release. They probably were considering doing a home console, but then reconsidered given it would basically be a mid gen release, so they'd be behind the curve in 1-2 years once again. Basically the Wii u all over again time wise.

I'm sure it will be an awesome handheld though.

I don't mind that approach. But my problem is why is this "hybrid" so big and not portable friendly. And that 6" 720p screen, you can't even use it to read comic/forum. If its a 1080p screen and all games are 720p native, I would be fine with it.
 

MoonFrog

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Yeah. I wouldn't sign March NX off from that direct, but Nintendo is running on such feeble support for coming on a year now so it doesn't speak to NX being March either.
 
Could be wrong, thought I counted 3 or 4 and I wasn't even paying the closest attention.

Pikmin
Mario Sports
Dragon Quest Something

Pikmin is a spinoff
Mario Sports is a sports game
DQ is a port

What do you think of these AAA titles? I mean come on Nintendos big developers are making NX games. You can tell these are small games.
 
Pikmin is a spinoff
Mario Sports is a sports game
DQ is a port

What do you think of these AAA titles? I mean come on Nintendos big developers are making NX games. You can tell these are small games.

Not to mention Mario Sports looks an awful lot like a game that could (should) have a simultaneous release on NX.
 

ggx2ac

Member
Could be wrong, thought I counted 3 or 4 and I wasn't even paying the closest attention.

Pikmin
Mario Sports
Dragon Quest Something

Emily Rogers mentioned the 3DS is being supported until 2018.

Even I made the analogy that the 3DS was eating off the Wii U corpse's to survive.

Seeing as we are getting more Wii U to 3DS ports. You can expect that to continue up to 2018.

It's obvious that they are doing this because the NX is a big risk seeing as it is a third pillar just like the DS was. So they want to make sure they have something to cushion a fall.
 

jonno394

Member
I'm glad I wasn't one of those hoping for an "NX reveal will be in 2 weeks" style announcement at the end of that DIrect....
 

maxcriden

Member
Trust me, I want to believe.

BTW, did they mention who is developing Pikmin?

No word on who's developing Pikmin. I'm wondering if it's an internal team or not. Arzest is due for another game soon I think and YNI while super retread-y and had short levels mostly, was solidly designed IMO.
 

wazoo

Member
I don't mind that approach. But my problem is why is this "hybrid" so big and not portable friendly. And that 6" 720p screen, you can't even use it to read comic/forum. If its a 1080p screen and all games are 720p native, I would be fine with it.

That is a bad idea. Vita has been heavily criticized for its non-native games.

If you control the hardware and screen, you should aim for 1:1 precision.

60fps for the screen is more important than 1080p.
 
There are really many possibilities:
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I absolutely love this! Though I'm going to assume the controller mode will be comfortable. I know yours is a concept, but that really looks uncomfortable.
 

orioto

Good Art™
There are really many possibilities:
8h89yujx.jpg

If Nintendo communication looks anything close to that spirit, NX will sell less than the WiiU

That multiplayer really ?? LOL
So you sell something that is meant to be a stand alone party machine and you tell people they need (again) part of old devices to play with your friends ? Don't people understand that's part of what killed the WiiU. And i was calling it the day they revealed it. You don't say to people "we have that NEW system that is NEW and that you can play with our OLD system parts"..... You just don't..
 

bachikarn

Member
People don't really think the stick will actually be directly below the ABXY buttons do they? They would be unergonomic as hell and completely against Nintendo's MO
 

.shin

Banned
If Nintendo communication looks anything close to that spirit, NX will sell less than the WiiU

That multiplayer really ?? LOL
So you sell something that is meant to be a stand alone party machine and you tell people they need (again) part of old devices to play with your friends ? Don't people understand that's part of what killed the WiiU. And i was calling it the day they revealed it. You don't say to people "we have that NEW system that is NEW and that you can play with our OLD system parts"..... You just don't..

that's why the PS2 failed because it could use the PS1 controllers right?
 
If Nintendo communication looks anything close to that spirit, NX will sell less than the WiiU

That multiplayer really ?? LOL
So you sell something that is meant to be a stand alone party machine and you tell people they need (again) part of old devices to play with your friends ? Don't people understand that's part of what killed the WiiU. And i was calling it the day they revealed it. You don't say to people "we have that NEW system that is NEW and that you can play with our OLD system parts"..... You just don't..
Support for legacy controllers isn't a negative.
 

Azoo

Neo Member
I think people are still missing that if the buttons aren't offset and closer together than they appear in these mockups, they're going to be extremely unergonomic. That right stick being as far down as it is in that example would be nothing short of painful to reach for, and if you were to reach for it comfortably it would tilt the weight of which hand is holding the machine and where.

And that's the problem. People are wanting to imagine this working for that idea to split the controller in two for local multiplayer, but no mockup so far has shown that without largely sacrificing comfort when used traditionally (which is how it'll be used most of the time).
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
If Nintendo communication looks anything close to that spirit, NX will sell less than the WiiU

That multiplayer really ?? LOL
So you sell something that is meant to be a stand alone party machine and you tell people they need (again) part of old devices to play with your friends ? Don't people understand that's part of what killed the WiiU. And i was calling it the day they revealed it. You don't say to people "we have that NEW system that is NEW and that you can play with our OLD system parts"..... You just don't..
The ability to use legacy controllers isn't a bad thing.
 

Ogodei

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Support for legacy controllers isn't a negative.

Requiring them to make full use of your console is, though. I agree on that point. They should ditch the Wiimote and just sell extra NX controllers. Or if they do allow Wiimote compatibility, don't advertise it. Quietly include it on a feature list and call it a day.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
If Nintendo communication looks anything close to that spirit, NX will sell less than the WiiU

That multiplayer really ?? LOL
So you sell something that is meant to be a stand alone party machine and you tell people they need (again) part of old devices to play with your friends ? Don't people understand that's part of what killed the WiiU. And i was calling it the day they revealed it. You don't say to people "we have that NEW system that is NEW and that you can play with our OLD system parts"..... You just don't..

Literally every aspect of the Wii U is why it failed. You heard it here, folks.
 

orioto

Good Art™
The ability to use legacy controllers isn't a bad thing.

It's not about that. It's about coming up with something that has a new concept. Ps1-PS2 have the same concept. WiiU and Wii don't.

If your controllers represent your new concept, what's the message when you tell people "but you can use the old controllers to play multiplayer with it"
 
Really turned off by what this thing is shaping up to be so far. Of course it'll all come together more competently when they formally announce stuff but shit. The idea of detachable controllers just sounds like bad design to me. :(
 

ElFly

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Requiring them to make full use of your console is, though. I agree on that point. They should ditch the Wiimote and just sell extra NX controllers. Or if they do allow Wiimote compatibility, don't advertise it. Quietly include it on a feature list and call it a day.

yeah, the wii u _requiring_ wiimotes for multiplayer was terrible

nx should use its own controller standard for multiplayer and be done with it
 

Taker666

Member
The ability to use legacy controllers isn't a bad thing.

I'd say it is when


a) Nintendo lost millions in potential revenue by not selling new multiplayer controllers.

a) Consumers didn't appreciate it or see the added value enough to be encouraged to buy the Wii U. Nintendo's generosity saw zero reward.
 

Stulaw

Member
There are really many possibilities:
8h89yujx.jpg

Why do people who design these things always use terrible button positioning? There's a reason why the buttons/sticks at the top are usually on the outside and diagonal to the buttons/sticks below; thumb positioning, it's one of the reasons why using all the buttons on the Wii remote while holding it upright was so uncomfortable. The idea's good though.

Also, I think that it will probably come with some sort of block with a battery in it to connect the removable controllers to, because just sticking two together looks uncomfortably small.
 

20cent

Banned
This mockup looks great to me. I mean the concept. No need to be so angry at some amateur buttons positioning coming out of their ass / according to some rumors based on a bulky dev kit.

Knowing Nintendo, you are still expecting a Xbox-Scorpio/PS4-Neo clone that runs Nintendo IPs ?
 

maxcriden

Member
Anyone who still doubts the hybrid nature of the NX should look no further than today's Direct where two more Wii U to 3DS ports were announced, further showing the importance to Nintendo of having the same games available to the userbase.
 
Emily Rogers mentioned the 3DS is being supported until 2018.

Even I made the analogy that the 3DS was eating off the Wii U corpse's to survive.

Seeing as we are getting more Wii U to 3DS ports. You can expect that to continue up to 2018.

It's obvious that they are doing this because the NX is a big risk seeing as it is a third pillar just like the DS was. So they want to make sure they have something to cushion a fall.

Breath of the Wild 3DS!?!!!
 
Personally, I think a split wii remote/nunchuck type thing makes a little more sense than frankensteining a couple of narrow controllers together. If they are the ends of the handheld, they should probably fit in the hand well enough for it.
 

spekkeh

Banned
So is the September event still expected to happen?
I think they'll keep to their initial roadmap.

If it was supposed to be revealed beginning of June and released beginning of November, and now it will be released March, I expect the console to be revealed in October.

That's a bit of an if though; releasing the NX a few months later (say May/June) always appeared more logical to me, so you can just write off this FY, and have a more steady momentum all the way to the holidays. But my heart couldn't take a further delay of Zelda so I'm going to wilfully ignore this thought.
 
I feel like NX will be announced next year.

January 2017 - "Please Understand" 2017 edition

March 2017 - End of fiscal year. Official announcement of NX delay
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Angry GAF

Rumors

rumors
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E3 2017 - Official reveal. Hand-on demo. Holiday 2017 launch.
 

Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
On a side note I love the quirky happy music and astethic Nintendo uses for their Nintendo Directs and their home consoles. That never really transfered to their handheld lineup IMO. Menu design, music, eshop ect on the 3ds... never felt like it does elsewhere for Nintendo.

Hope this changes for the NX. Minor point I know. :p
 

ozfunghi

Member
From the recent NX diagram we were given though, it would need some sort of high bandwidth low latency data interface (such as TB3, though even that is a fraction of PCI-E bandwidth) to the dock for the active power adding dock dream to live. HDMI passthrough and USB don't cut it.

Granted it's a dev kit, so I'm not sure if a future upgradeable dock port would have to be included in it by now.

That's why i was talking about the tablet being upgradable, instead of the dock.

The dock theory comes directly from the SCD patent. It's possible, but not likely.

The dock boosting performance, is easy enough if just by boosting CPU/GPU frequency to its normal speed, unlike in handheld mode, where battery drain dictates the frequency to be clocked down.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
That's why i was talking about the tablet being upgradable, instead of the dock.

The dock theory comes directly from the SCD patent. It's possible, but not likely.

The dock boosting performance, is easy enough if just by boosting CPU/GPU frequency to its normal speed, unlike in handheld mode, where battery drain dictates the frequency to be clocked down.


If it's a simple dock with the tablet being the main thing, the tablet being upgradable just means replacing the whole console...No different than Neo or Scorpio, not a new upgradability concept.
 
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