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[maxcriden]

Actually the reason it slipped out because mentally handicapped people I've known don't like the word being used for them because it's an insult. So, when I think about it that way, I usually only think of the word itself as an insult and not "retarded" as a word describing a group. It's a bit confusing, but the point is that it's not related to insensitivity as much as it is that "retarded" is an insult in my mind no matter who it's used on.

That's not what I meant, but I can see how it came across that way.

They never have two directs in a month.

Thanks for the clarification of where you were coming from. I appreciate it. It's unfortunate the word has been repurposed as an insult to the point where the DSM had to change the name of the condition to intellectual disability to try to reclaim some semiotic ground.

BTW, I think there have been two Directs one one month before, but the circumstances were specifically one regular Direct and one focused game Direct, IIRC. Perhaps NX will be a Digital Event rather than a Direct, though (semantics, I know).

 

[Hermii]

Actually the reason it slipped out because mentally handicapped people I've known don't like the word being used for them because it's an insult. So, when I think about it that way, I usually only think of the word itself as an insult and not "retarded" as a word describing a group. It's a bit confusing, but the point is that it's not related to insensitivity as much as it is that "retarded" is an insult in my mind no matter who it's used on.



That's not what I meant, but I can see how it came across that way.



They never have two directs in a month.

I seem to remember they have, at least when it comes to game specific direct. Splatoon direct and Smash Direct? Is the animal crossing direct about the mobile game? Why did they already announce it. I wouldn't discount an NX reveal just for a game specific direct about a mobile game.

 

[orioto]

There is a huge difference between supporting different options. And marketing every single possible option so that nobody knows what the hell the selling point of the device is.

You mean like that glorious promotional picture ?

Anyway after the nintendo direct i'm wondering, was the 3ds in need of games that much that they would not keep mario maker and yoshi port for the NX portable ??

 

[Lutherian]

I don't think Nintendo will reveal the NX with a "just" a Direct. They need a press conference, journalists to play it.

They don't need another "So it's a controller or some sort of tablet for the Wii ?" situation.

 

[J@hranimo]

He apparently got a handful of other things correct in the past. Don't remember specifically.

Said we'd get a reveal around the 20th of September.

They said to expect something around the 20th. I'd guess it's thje announcement of an announcement if they choose to reveal on October.

Ah ok. As with everything, we'll see.

I'd only see it being an announcement of a reveal in October if they had some bigger non-Digital Event.

 

[Volotaire]

I don't think Nintendo will reveal the NX with a "just" a Direct. They need a press conference, journalists to play it.

They don't need another "So it's a controller or some sort of tablet for the Wii ?" situation.

And not just journalists, they would be smart to let many YouTubers (or influencers as they are known) in as well.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I don't think Nintendo will reveal the NX with a "just" a Direct. They need a press conference, journalists to play it.

They don't need another "So it's a controller or some sort of tablet for the Wii ?" situation.

Well, that Wii U situation happened despite having a live press conference.

Of course the NX needs to be given hands-on time by the press. I don't think anyone would dispute that, but you don't need a live event to make that happen.

 

[Lutherian]

And not just journalists, they would be smart to let many YouTubers (or influencers as they are known) in as well.

Yes, but most of all : people need to get the concept at first glance. A Direct would ruin everything if they reveal the NX the way they did with the Wii U, with no one to actually play the games.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Yes, but most of all : people need to get the concept at first glance. A Direct would ruin everything if they reveal the NX the way they did with the Wii U, with no one to actually play the games.

The press had extensive hands-on time with Wii U during its unveiling.

 

[Dystify]

About the Direct today, there was no Monster Hunter announced. Capcom still has a Monster Hunter title they expect to sell 2mill+ units by March next year, don't they? If this isn't coming to Playstation it's gotta be NX/3DS, no?

 

[BuggyMike]

...I do not understand how we're coming with thoughts of NX delayed due to the recent Direct. Especially considering how some of the upcoming first party titles are Wii U-to-3DS ports, or minor spin-off efforts (Pikmin). The only titles I'd say look both original and with bigger effort (by the way, not saying the other titles look bad, Pikmin doesn't look bad honestly, but there is a value difference) are Ever Oasis and Mario Sports Superstar. This actually intensifies the feeling of last, major 3DS-related Direct before redirecting most of the focus on NX, I'll be honest.

On top of that, didn't Emily say the 3DS will be supported through 2018 anyway? Going by that, the fact that 3DS is still getting support doesn't really say much about the NX. The system has a huge install base, you people expected them to drop it like the Wii U? It totally makes sense to support the 3DS for a while even after the NX releases.

 

[bachikarn]

There's plenty of reason to believe it is delayed. Notably, the fact we're expecting it to be "announced" 5 months before release. Absolutely ridiculous for Nintendo to have said NOTHING about the system 6 months before its allegedly set to launch.

Either it is delayed, or they have absolutely no idea what they're doing, as usual. I guess this should no longer come as a surprise with Nintendo.

Yeah, I agree. A lot of people are sounding like they did back in April when we had no reason to think it wasnt coming out in the Fall. Then it got 'delayed' till 2017, and everyone was like yeah that makes sense. We are in the same relative timeline. If it doesn't get revealed in September, it's getting likely that there will be a delay.

 

[maxcriden]

Yes, but most of all : people need to get the concept at first glance. A Direct would ruin everything if they reveal the NX the way they did with the Wii U, with no one to actually play the games.

The press had extensive hands-on time with Wii U during its unveiling.

The thing is, as OB is saying, a Press Conference is no guaranteed better way by any means to control and specify the messaging for the system. If anything, a Direct or Digital Event has less risk of human error and as such is going to be the safer route. If they can market it clearly at a Press Conference, they can do the same at a Digital Event. (With a simultaneous press hands-on event, I mean.)

On top of that, didn't Emily say the 3DS will be supported through 2018 anyway? Going by that, the fact that 3DS is still getting support doesn't really say much about the NX. The system has a huge install base, you people expected them to drop that it the Wii U? It totally makes sense to support the 3DS for a while even after the NX releases.

This exactly, plus, Nintendo has already said they'd support the 3DS and Wii U (the latter, don't ask me how or if they truly will do so) once NX launches, and they have always done so in the past for HH systems when a new one comes out.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Yeah, I agree. A lot of people are sounding like they did back in April when we had no reason to think it wasnt coming out in the Fall. Then it got 'delayed' till 2017, and everyone was like yeah that makes sense. We are in the same relative timeline. If it doesn't get revealed in September, it's getting likely that there will be a delay.

The difference between now and earlier in April is that during that time Nintendo hadn't actually confirmed the NX launch date. Twice. As recently as late July, even.

 

[udivision]

You mean like that glorious promotional picture ?



Anyway after the nintendo direct i'm wondering, was the 3ds in need of games that much that they would not keep mario maker and yoshi port for the NX portable ??

Yeah....

Are we going to have another NSMB2 -> NSMBU situation? Or is Nintendo going to hold off on Mario Maker NX until 2019 or so?

 

[maxcriden]

Yeah....

Are we going to have another NSMB2 -> NSMBU situation? Or is Nintendo going to hold off on Mario Maker NX until 2019 or so?

Hmm, I think that's a bit of a different situation simply because SMM is almost more of an app than a game per se, so I don't know that it would lead to the same problem or game fatigue.

I imagine they won't release SMM NX at launch, though, to avoid such confusion. Maybe Holiday 2017 at the earliest.

 

[Genio88]

What if at Nintendo they're so confident that they'll announce NX out of nowhere September 7? Same day of Apple and Sony events?...

Now realistically, i guess there is still a good chance they'll just have this event the last week of September, after all the buzz fron Sony and Apple events will be "gone", but if September goes they won't mention of NX yet then i think the delay will be almost sure

 

[tr1p1ex]

The Mario Maker port for the NX rumor? I bet that was Mario Maker for the 3ds.

 

[Discomurf]

The Mario Maker port for the NX rumor? I bet that was Mario Maker for the 3ds.

probably both

 

[Retrobox]

Yeah Mario Maker on NX. That's why they are gimping the 3DS release probably - to have the best handheld version on NX ultimately. Which is just lmao but hey, the triple dip is gonna be real.

 

[2+2=5]

Looks like it's just an example of an option you have for playing, not the default layout.

Ok but my point is that one analog isn't enough for most of the 3d games, no matter the layout.

Quick and Dirty

What does that resolve? With just one analog you cannot play 3d games with free view, hence almost every 3d game.
My questions remain, will games be simplified to be playable with one analog or they will be forced to take advantage of that mode with some lame minigame?

Some games are fine with four buttons (maybe also trigger?) and one analog stick though. No one said that this kind of multiplayer was the only one offered. Local multiplayer using controllers on the TV will probably the main use of the dock and considering Pokémon and Monster Hunter you can rest assured that traditional ad-hoc multiplayer will be available as well. In that sense the hybrid would be quite flexible, offering (besides the shit that is online gaming) three distinct possibilities to play multiplayer, all of them fit for different styles of games (Mario Kart / Smash like games on the TV with controllers, simpler games like Mario Party on the go using only one handheld and communication based multiplayer on the go for Pokémon and similar games).

Those are special cases though, the vast majority of 3d games(and even some 2d games, think twin stick shooters) need 2 sticks, did nintendo waste lots of money, made everything bulkier, more expensive and less confortable(modularity isn't free) just for some games? What about Zelda and other games we know are coming? None of them can be played perfectly with just one analog, what future can this feature have if nintendo itself do games that won't be perfectly playable with it?

 

[AGoodODST]

The Mario Maker port for the NX rumor? I bet that was Mario Maker for the 3ds.

That makes some sense actually. Would also explain the difficulties with the rumoured Splatoon port, if it was for 3DS rather than NX.

 

[Feffe]

Ok but my point is that one analog isn't enough for most of the 3d games, no matter the layout.


What does that resolve? With just one analog you cannot play 3d games with free view, hence almost every 3d game.
My questions remain, will games be simplified to be playable with one analog or they will be forced to take advantage of that mode with some lame minigame?


Those are special cases though, the vast majority of 3d games(and even some 2d games, think twin stick shooters) need 2 sticks, did nintendo waste lots of money, made everything bulkier, more expensive and less confortable(modularity isn't free) just for some games? What about Zelda and the other games we know are coming? None of them can be played perfectly with just one analog, what future can this feature have if nintendo itself do games that won't be perfectly playable with it?

The vast majority of Nintendo games aren't 3D games though. 2D Mario, 3D Land-style Mario, Yoshi, Kirby and DK would work fine with a SNES controller. For Wii Sports, Mario Party, WarioWare you use the controller as a WiiMote.

 

[Dystify]

Another thing I just realised, I think it was Emily who stated that the NX port of Mario Maker may not happen due to the issues of getting the Wii U levels on it. Now with the levels being on 3DS, doesn't that mean Nintendo fixed this issue?

 

[tr1p1ex]

probably both

I dont' know. Not seeing them releasing SMM for the 3ds in Dec and then coming out with it on the NX 4 months later.

Maybe you can pop your 3ds cart into your NX.

 

[2+2=5]

The vast majority of Nintendo games aren't 3D games though. 2D Mario, 3D Land-style Mario, Yoshi, Kirby and DK would work fine with a SNES controller. For Wii Sports, Mario Party, WarioWare you use the controller as a WiiMote.

Are you saying that nintendo decided to give up on third parties and NX is mainly(or only) for nintendo games?

 

[tr1p1ex]

Nintendo is drunk though.

The Galaxy new 3ds XL? Baffling. SMM for 3ds 3-4 months before the NX is supposed to come out? Odd.

And now an update to the 3ds to speed up Street Pass games ?!?!? Where was this a few years ago?

I mean why bother at this point?

The timing just seems wierd. I guess none of this is that unusual for Nintendo. They are a creative company. Sht comes out when it comes out.

 

[LegendofLex]

The fact that you put tetris and not zelda or some other 3d game reflects exactly my concerns, we are no more in the 16 bit era, most of the games need 2 analogs, how are we supposed to play a 3d game with just one analog? Will games be forced to be simplified for that reason or they will be forced to have crappy multiplayer minigames just to take advantage of that gimmick?

How many 3D games that demand two analog sticks actually have local multiplayer? If the answer isn't "most of them" or "there are more 3D games that demand two analog sticks than non-3D games or games that don't," then there's no harm in having single-stick controllers as an out-of-the-box option.

Why would games be forced to use a simplified controller when the detachable controllers can be used together as a single dual-analog controller?

 

[orioto]

How many 3D games that demand two analog sticks actually have local multiplayer? If the answer isn't "most of them" or "there are more 3D games that demand two analog sticks than non-3D games or games that don't," then there's no harm in having single-stick controllers as an out-of-the-box option.

Why would games be forced to use a simplified controller when the detachable controllers can be used together as a single dual-analog controller?

But the problem is that the benefit of the local multi thing on a portable will be less big if it only works with old school games.

I mean it's a mainstream, casual thing i think anyway, as complex modern games won't benefit from it.

 

[maxcriden]

Another thing I just realised, I think it was Emily who stated that the NX port of Mario Maker may not happen due to the issues of getting the Wii U levels on it. Now with the levels being on 3DS, doesn't that mean Nintendo fixed this issue?

Well, not all the levels are on, so it seems Nintendo decided that was an okay result. Surely an NX version would have full online sharing, though.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I bet the SMM rumor was a mangled 3DS port rumour honestly.
(Splatoon 3DS when?)

 

[Retrobox]

(Splatoon 3DS when?)

Local fighting dojo only. Please enjoy!

 

[Zaventem]

Lack of regionock may be the greatest thing nintendo will ever do imo.

 

[Plinko]

Did Emily ever post her "final" info on NX?

 

[Dystify]

Did Emily ever post her "final" info on NX?

She said she'll do it today. Probably hasn't done it due to the Nintendo Direct.

 

[Skittzo0413]

But the problem is that the benefit of the local multi thing on a portable will be less big if it only works with old school games.

I mean it's a mainstream, casual thing i think anyway, as complex modern games won't benefit from it.

Well first of all I don't think it's just old school games. I mean, the majority of sports games would work with the sideways controller setup, right? It's really only games that require a player controlled camera which can't be played that way which, to be fair, isn't exactly the majority of new games today. Certainly a big chunk of them, but there are plenty of games that don't require dual analog.

But second, I don't think the local multiplayer out of the box thing is the primary selling point of the detachable controllers. The detachable controllers make the most sense to me as a way to simulate touch screen input when the screen portion is docked, so that there aren't going to be any games exclusive to either mode. The selling point therefore will be: "here are your controllers, go play your way."

It's a simple message and it honestly sounds like a very comfortable and functional control scheme (dual new wiimote+) assuming they get the ergonomics right. Split controllers are the future man.

 

[th3sicknness]

I bet they announce this thing in a direct with a quick trailer of a person sitting in the living room playing <insert game here> on the couch... Then a buddy messages him in game and tells him hes grabbing a bite to eat.. Person gets off the couch pulls the NX off a dock and meets his friend in line to get food and continues playing the same game. After they are done they go to a friends house and play the same game local multiplayer.

After this trailer is done Reggie and or Bill appears on screen and briefly states 1 device on 1 platform then throws out some slogan like "At home or on the go you decide what's Next".

After which screen fades out and shows a montage of games in development with gameplay.

 

[BY2K]

Did Emily ever post her "final" info on NX?

She doesn't have new info, though. It's just her opinion on the thing, I think. But she doesn't have anything else to leak about it.

 

[ozfunghi]

You mean like that glorious promotional picture ?

What was not clear about my post?

 

[Vena]

She doesn't have new info, though. It's just her opinion on the thing, I think. But she doesn't have anything else to leak about it.

I think she's reached the end of what she wants to leak and feel safe doing so, but I think she knows much more than that and, while won't directly state it, can come to definitely color her ultimate say on the matter (which we'll get later today). So it will be super interesting to see where she stands.

I know she's been gungho on the software side of things. Let's see her take on the whole picture!

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I think she's reached the end of what she wants to leak and feel safe doing so, but I think she knows much more than that and, while won't directly state it, can come to definitely color her ultimate say on the matter (which we'll get later today). So it will be super interesting to see where she stands.

I know she's been gungho on the software side of things. Let's see her take on the whole picture!

So she doesn't want to Super Metal Dave anyone...
that's understandable.
How do these people with inside sources know what they can divulge and can't without serious repercussions to the said source though???
Seems a fine line that I would be paranoid even starting on.

 

[th3sicknness]

So she doesn't want to Super Metal Dave anyone...
that's understandable.
How do these people with inside sources know what they can divulge and can't without serious repercussions to the said source though???
Seems a fine line that I would be paranoid even starting on.

They generally reference another source like IGN or someone else who has an unnamed source. People give her a hard time because they think shes holding a dev kit in her hand and not saying anything...

In reality she knows people at studios or has friends who have friends who have a kit that divulge parts of what they have.

 

[Aostia]

Today's direct clearly implied that we know nothing about nx, Jon snow!

 

[Dystify]

Emily said she's talking to a few more people before she posts anything new. No ETA for now.

 

[GamerJM]

I do have to wonder about another delay. If it's not delayed we're probably getting some kind of direct within the next several weeks, and we haven't gotten two directs that close together in a long time. Of course, it would make sense for Nintendo to ramp the frequency of them up as NX approaches.

 

[kaioshade]

At this point, my interest in the NX is fading. Nintendo needs to just announce the bloody thing already.

 

[Herb Alpert]

At this point, my interest in the NX is fading. Nintendo needs to just announce the bloody thing already.

I'm like this too

Hopefully once revealed all this absurdly long silence will be forgotten.
Now I can't wait to know about software. As a mainly handheld gamer, the hardware looks very promising to me.

 

[QaaQer]

Dont know if it has been answered yet but are you able to use the touchscreen when the device is connected to the TV? especially when it is sitting in a dock. If not it would require every game to have an alternative control method to each touchscreen command, kinda limits what games you can make.

Smartphone holder with attached controllers + Nintendo app.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I'm late to this thread so I may be well behind, but those are some looooonnng dimensions in the OP. The mockups in the original post dont fit at all.

Pretty awkward. Devkit only? The size of the screen versus the size of the unit means a bunch of useless space on the sides.

Edit:

Dimensions in the OP were debunked and we now have a thickness dimension only. &#9786;

Oh okay.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

At this point, my interest in the NX is fading. Nintendo needs to just announce the bloody thing already.

I think you are just burning yourself out on reading all of the threads. Most of us here are massive game/game news junkies and it's easy to become jaded.

Just take a break from Ninty GAF threads for a week or so lol