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[Deleted member 465307]

To play what? Between 720p and 4k is like developing the same game twice.

Yeah, that'd be a 9x resolution increase. If Nintendo ever releases an upgraded dock that somehow plays these games at 4k, I have to assume the target resolution for the handheld at that point would need to be 1080p for the upscale to look okay (with maybe a separate set of textures and a few bonus effects turned on when that happens). I do anticipate NX will be iterative, with new versions of the handheld releasing every 2-3 years (and if the dock functions like an SCD, that also getting upgraded every 2-3 years on the off years of the handheld), but jumping to 4k as soon as 2017 seems too ambitious unless we're just talking about Netflix (which I think Nvidia already said Parker can handle). I mean, I expect Scorpio to be $500 and a 4k device. I can't imagine Nintendo releasing something in that price tier. I'd be curious if the dock/handheld separation could lead to cheaper modular upgrades, though.

 

[OmahaG8]

Heh, this thread is so funny.

Just the NX stuff in general.

Went from "This system will be powerful!" to "Somewhere between XBox One and PS4" to "Around Xbox One" to "2x Wii U" in power. It's funny as hell. Reading the reactions to this has been pretty entertaining, and I'll admit that I'll be a little disappointed if it's just 2x a Wii U.

Also, let's not forget the "it's not a hybrid, but two systems" to "it's a hybrid" to "it's just a portable with TV Out".

I have no idea where this system is going to fall, but the rollercoaster ride has been pretty fun. I wouldn't be surprised if the reveal ends up being a downer for a lot of people...myself included. Leave it to Nintendo to take all this hype for a product and dash it on the floor. This thread is equally funny as it is depressing. Heh, heh.

I hate how right this reads.

 

[KingSnake]

It's literally only plausible if it just renders the game at higher resolution. 2D assets would looked funked though.

Textures, geometry, shadows ... a lot of things to work on to not look like Zelda TP HD or a game running in Dolphin.

 

[th3sicknness]

The problem is that if you cut out a lot of the empty space you'll end up with a very uncomfortable device to hold because you simply won't have enough real estate for you hands

You could always go with a form factor slightly more ergonomic than a 3ds XL. People are also thinking this might go into your pocket. Maybe the idea is that this thing is like a tablet and doesnt need to be in your crowded pocket? They know peoples pockets now are jam packed with wallets, keys, and smart phones. So maybe the idea is to go larger than 3ds xl or more ergonomic 3ds xl?

 

[pooh]

Multiple SKUs would only really make sense if they have comparable power levels. Combining all of their output into one platform makes no sense if some games aren't doable on both, and when the power gap is large enough there's no way you can put the same two experiences on two SKUs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like it wouldn't really be an issue, as long as the CPU was the same, or CPUs were similar. You could easily have an SCD that's basically an upgraded graphics card in an enclosure for experiencing the same games in 4K, or you could have a separate console with similar CPU and/or shared platform, and still be able to manage the same games with different power levels.

Another, more far out idea I had was that Nintendo could also use cloud processing to augment the console...

 

[KingSnake]

You could easily have an SCD that's basically an upgraded graphics card in an enclosure for experiencing the same games in 4K

Yes, technically you could, but who would pay $299-$399 to play games designed with 720p (or even 1080p) and power limitation in mind in 4k?

This transition can happen in smaller steps or longer period (to have more games developed with higher resolution in mind).

 

[Deleted member 465307]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like it wouldn't really be an issue, as long as the CPU was the same, or CPUs were similar. You could easily have an SCD that's basically an upgraded graphics card in an enclosure for experiencing the same games in 4K, or you could have a separate console with similar CPU and/or shared platform, and still be able to manage the same games with different power levels.

Another, more far out idea I had was that Nintendo could also use cloud processing to augment the console...

That's likely possible. The question is whether a game that targeted a 720p resolution will hold up when suddenly there are 9x the pixels. Things like textures and basically everything else can look a lot worse if it has not been made with that extra detail in mind.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like it wouldn't really be an issue, as long as the CPU was the same, or CPUs were similar. You could easily have an SCD that's basically an upgraded graphics card in an enclosure for experiencing the same games in 4K, or you could have a separate console with similar CPU and/or shared platform, and still be able to manage the same games with different power levels.

Another, more far out idea I had was that Nintendo could also use cloud processing to augment the console...

In theory that's true, but the developers would likely need to redo pretty much all of the assets in order to make them look decent when at a much higher resolution (like 4k). If it's just a 720p capable handheld and a 1080p minimum console which share a library that would likely be fairly easy, but when the power levels are different enough (say, .5TF to 10TF) then it sorta defeats the purpose of combining development divisions, as developers will likely have to do double the work anyway.

 

[casey_contra]

Maybe their lies have caught up to them.

Or even scarier - maybe their truths have caught up to them.

 

[EDarkness]

I'm sure there will be two devices but for now the concentration is on the handheld hybrid. Maybe holiday 2017 of 2018 will see a 4k box for the enthusiast crowd.

I REALLY hope that the "NX" is an operating system and all games will run on hardware that runs that OS. So they can have multiple pieces of hardware and the players can choose what they want to use. I think this would be a much better way to go than having a handheld that connects to the TV. I just feel like there should be more to this story, but the narrative is starting to take shape and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Best to just hold out hope for something else that hasn't been announced.

 

[CrisKre]

Heh, this thread is so funny.

Just the NX stuff in general.

Went from "This system will be powerful!" to "Somewhere between XBox One and PS4" to "Around Xbox One" to "2x Wii U" in power. It's funny as hell. Reading the reactions to this has been pretty entertaining, and I'll admit that I'll be a little disappointed if it's just 2x a Wii U.

Also, let's not forget the "it's not a hybrid, but two systems" to "it's a hybrid" to "it's just a portable with TV Out".

I have no idea where this system is going to fall, but the rollercoaster ride has been pretty fun. I wouldn't be surprised if the reveal ends up being a downer for a lot of people...myself included. Leave it to Nintendo to take all this hype for a product and dash it on the floor. This thread is equally funny as it is depressing. Heh, heh.

The power aspect for me boils down to something very simple: I trully love nintendo´s output on the Wii U, and I just want to know at this point if thats the ballpark of what we can expect coming from them on NX, or if we are going to see what Nintendo can develop with more power. I love the concept of the NX but as a consumer, I want to know what to expect from the software. Truth be told, I´d be OK with mostly Wii U level software given the concept of the system, but would really really love too see something that breaks with the U´s limitations. That would make me ecstatic and at that point I wouldn´t care less if its not PS4 level, 3 Wii U´s ducktaped together or whatever.

My other, secondary concern, is IQ. I know the screen will look really good in handheld mode but I´d love good IQ on my projector as well, and hope they address it somehow. It may not be realistic, but I would even embrace an option to upgrade to a dock than could result in better IQ, even if it means I have to pay a premium for it.

 

[MuchoMalo]

To play what? Between 720p and 4k is like developing the same game twice.

Poor PC devs...

Spoiler

Not that I agree with him.

How would you guys feel if Nintendo went to upgrades every two years? A 7nm Tegra in 2019 should be able to match PS4. Nintendo's gonna end up falling further and further behind anyway, so why not?

 

[orioto]

The problem is that if you cut out a lot of the empty space you'll end up with a very uncomfortable device to hold because you simply won't have enough real estate for you hands

I agree for the space on the side of the controller. I need space between the edge and the buttons cause my thumbs will hurt if not. BUT the interior space, the one between the buttons and the screen, or the margin around the screen in general, has no point

 

[Deleted member 465307]

Poor PC devs...

Spoiler

Not that I agree with him.

How would you guys feel if Nintendo went to upgrades every two years? A 7nm Tegra in 2019 should be able to match PS4. Nintendo's gonna end up falling further and further behind anyway, so why not?

I'm down for that, yeah, particularly if those upgrades alternate between an SCD and the main unit. If it's one singular computing device, I'd prefer every 3 years.

 

[th3sicknness]

4k is not even on Nintendos radar right now.. Even the Scorpio and or Neos projected specs are barely enough to handle 4k at reasonable fps. Nintendo will wait for full 4k adoption before they consider it.

The only reason to target 720p imo is battery life. When you take for example smart phones Sony has a line called "z5 compact" where it fits modern specs into a small form factor but limits the resolution to 720p for exponentially more battery life. Other devices like the galaxy series opted for 2k resolution at the expense of battery life (for image quality).

 

[PantherLotus]

Heh, this thread is so funny.

Just the NX stuff in general.

Went from "This system will be powerful!" to "Somewhere between XBox One and PS4" to "Around Xbox One" to "2x Wii U" in power. It's funny as hell. Reading the reactions to this has been pretty entertaining, and I'll admit that I'll be a little disappointed if it's just 2x a Wii U.

Also, let's not forget the "it's not a hybrid, but two systems" to "it's a hybrid" to "it's just a portable with TV Out".

I have no idea where this system is going to fall, but the rollercoaster ride has been pretty fun. I wouldn't be surprised if the reveal ends up being a downer for a lot of people...myself included. Leave it to Nintendo to take all this hype for a product and dash it on the floor. This thread is equally funny as it is depressing. Heh, heh.

The highlighted rings especially true. The power conversation is always a shit show around nintendo since they're basically always a generation behind, god forbid they take a loss on hardware, ever. But this mystery around whether it's a a hybrid, or two systems, or just a 'powerful' handheld with a tv-out all feels so predictable.

UGH.

 

[baphomet]

Interestingly enough I'm considering it.

Good way to lose a bunch of money. If anything you buy after the reveal when the stock drops.

 

[DragonKnight]

The highlighted rings especially true. The power conversation is always a shit show around nintendo since they're basically always a generation behind, god forbid they take a loss on hardware, ever. But this mystery around whether it's a a hybrid, or two systems, or just a 'powerful' handheld with a tv-out all feels so predictable.

UGH.

So youre complaining that Nintendo doesnt want to take a loss on their hardware?

Talk about entitled lol.

Dont like it, dont buy it. Its that simple.

Or buy a pc and wait for emulation

 

[casey_contra]

I'm on a plane right now and it's so cramped typing on my computer. Putting the screen up on the tray and having my hands under or on the side while playing would be so nice... I hope this is real so that all of my 2017 travel can be enriched with some Zelda goodness.

 

[optimiss]

People are also thinking this might go into your pocket. Maybe the idea is that this thing is like a tablet and doesnt need to be in your crowded pocket?

 

[10k]

It still seems like he meant over the past month since the original leak, where we've had pretty much the same reasonable expectations since that leak. But yeah it's definitely entertaining watching people who are so convinced it will be one thing, especially on the NX subreddit, come up with so many weird explanations about how the Eurogamer leak is wrong.



It's quiet... too quiet...

Fox, look out!



Multiple SKUs would only really make sense if they have comparable power levels. Combining all of their output into one platform makes no sense if some games aren't doable on both, and when the power gap is large enough there's no way you can put the same two experiences on two SKUs.

The games would scale and platforms would share the same library but multiple platforms.

Putting all their eggs in one basket feels risky to me if the device fails to light the sales charts and they don't have a second Sku to fall back on.

 

[baphomet]

The games would scale and platforms would share the same library but multiple platforms.

Putting all their eggs in one basket feels risky to me if the device fails to light the sales charts and they don't have a second Sku to fall back on.

There definitely won't be multiple platforms.

 

[casey_contra]

There definitely won't be multiple platforms.

By platform do you mean hardware?

 

[PantherLotus]

So youre complaining that Nintendo doesnt want to take a loss on their hardware?

Talk about entitled lol.

Dont like it, dont buy it. Its that simple.

Or buy a pc and wait for emulation

... no?

I'm saying conversations around Nintendo hardware are a shit show, like this comment i just stepped in. Good lord y'all are nuts and sensitive as hell.

We can never talk about hardware with civility because Nintendo is always behind, a choice they make because they are unwilling to take a loss on hardware. Don't take it personally.

 

[DragonKnight]

... no?

I'm saying conversations around Nintendo hardware are a shit show, like this comment i just stepped in. Good lord y'all are nuts and sensitive as hell.

We can never talk about hardware with civility because Nintendo is always behind, a choice they make because they are unwilling to take a loss on hardware. Don't take it personally.

Ah. I see. My bad. In that case I agree. Its ridiculous that people even think a company should take a loss to appease them. It boggles the mind.

 

[ggx2ac]

First off, NX as a hybrid means that you'll have households with more than one NX. (Hopefully you don't need to hook up the dock to the TV or you'll probably see 4 docks hooked up to one TV.)

Which brings the second point, account systems. If Nintendo decides to release a handheld only NX and console only NX based off the hybrid NX. Will they actually not be restrictive? Would I be able to have my Nintendo account linked to all 3 form factors and not have any restrictions like, a friend decides to borrow my handheld to play games he doesn't have?

Third, I'd think the multiple form factors will happen based on feedback. They mentioned before at investor meetings that if people only want handhelds, they'll just stick to handhelds. So if there is only 1000 people giving negative feedback because they want a PS4 Neo home console for an NX. They probably won't release more form factors.

However, I think if they did decide to release an SCD. That would come out first, not every hybrid owner needs a console only or handheld only NX. So it's easier to sell them a peripheral that can work with their hybrid instead of releasing a separate system.
Then the other devices mentioned can come out after the SCD.

 

[n0razi]

Yeah, that'd be a 9x resolution increase. If Nintendo ever releases an upgraded dock that somehow plays these games at 4k, I have to assume the target resolution for the handheld at that point would need to be 1080p for the upscale to look okay (with maybe a separate set of textures and a few bonus effects turned on when that happens). I do anticipate NX will be iterative, with new versions of the handheld releasing every 2-3 years (and if the dock functions like an SCD, that also getting upgraded every 2-3 years on the off years of the handheld), but jumping to 4k as soon as 2017 seems too ambitious unless we're just talking about Netflix (which I think Nvidia already said Parker can handle). I mean, I expect Scorpio to be $500 and a 4k device. I can't imagine Nintendo releasing something in that price tier. I'd be curious if the dock/handheld separation could lead to cheaper modular upgrades, though.

540p tablet -> 1080p dock sounds very feasible

 

[jehuty]

The games would scale and platforms would share the same library but multiple platforms.

Putting all their eggs in one basket feels risky to me if the device fails to light the sales charts and they don't have a second Sku to fall back on.

I have to agree with you here. No way does Nintendo abandon having two separate SKUs. It doesn't make any business sense for them at all. Furthermore, they are a conservative company that takes relatively few chances, and even when they take chances, they have some sort of backup if things go wrong (usually a portable system that prints money).

So whatever the NX is, i'm gonna have to be on the side that thinks there will be a partner platform for it. It would be very much unlike Nintendo to pin its future on one device.

 

[PantherLotus]

Ah. I see. My bad. In that case I agree. Its ridiculous that people even think a company should take a loss to appease them. It boggles the mind.

No doubt. But to be fair to the consumer, it's not like gamers came up with the tactic on their own. Sony and Microsoft are willing to take a loss on hardware, so they ship higher fidelity hardware at a mass price point (most of the time). Nintendo is not willing to take a loss on hardware, so they sell lower fidelity hardware at not-that-much-better of a price. So Nintendo is always behind, and people are always mad.

Is that Nintendo's fault? Is that Sony's? Is it the gamer's fault? Yes. Or maybe it's just business.

 

[udivision]

The games would scale and platforms would share the same library but multiple platforms.

Putting all their eggs in one basket feels risky to me if the device fails to light the sales charts and they don't have a second Sku to fall back on.

This is going to be that time that the old system actually stays around, I guess.

3DS 20XX!

 

[Retrobox]

... no?

I'm saying conversations around Nintendo hardware are a shit show, like this comment i just stepped in. Good lord y'all are nuts and sensitive as hell.

We can never talk about hardware with civility because Nintendo is always behind, a choice they make because they are unwilling to take a loss on hardware. Don't take it personally.

You only have yourselves to blame for that. Nintendo DID come out with the N64 and the very competitive Gamecube and clearly you guys didn't give a damn, so Nintendo now doesn't either.

But their games look fantastic either way, so it's whatever.

 

[10k]

This is going to be that time that the old system actually stays around, I guess.

3DS 20XX!

3DS will never die!

 

[10k]

I REALLY hope that the "NX" is an operating system and all games will run on hardware that runs that OS. So they can have multiple pieces of hardware and the players can choose what they want to use. I think this would be a much better way to go than having a handheld that connects to the TV. I just feel like there should be more to this story, but the narrative is starting to take shape and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Best to just hold out hope for something else that hasn't been announced.

Yes this is what I wanted and expect.

NX is essentially Nintendo's iOS. The handheld hybrid will be there first product (like an iPhone or iPod) and eventually there will be a home console (like iPad) and maybe even cheap 2DS fisher price tablets down the line for the price conscious.

Honestly by 2020 I can see Nintendo having four or five hardware devices all targeting different audiences but running the same software at different levels.

 

[mStudios]

Please, get on the rock's level.

 

[SirShandy]

Heh, this thread is so funny.

Just the NX stuff in general.

Went from "This system will be powerful!" to "Somewhere between XBox One and PS4" to "Around Xbox One" to "2x Wii U" in power. It's funny as hell. Reading the reactions to this has been pretty entertaining, and I'll admit that I'll be a little disappointed if it's just 2x a Wii U.

Also, let's not forget the "it's not a hybrid, but two systems" to "it's a hybrid" to "it's just a portable with TV Out".

I have no idea where this system is going to fall, but the rollercoaster ride has been pretty fun. I wouldn't be surprised if the reveal ends up being a downer for a lot of people...myself included. Leave it to Nintendo to take all this hype for a product and dash it on the floor. This thread is equally funny as it is depressing. Heh, heh.

I don't quite understand this mentality. Nintendo has been almost entirely silent about the NX, outside of the fact we know Zelda is releasing for it. They've made clear that they are not going to talk about it until fall, which begins at the end of September.

From a marketing standpoint, they've not begun their hype build up. They can't help it if people prematurely manufacture expectations from creaky a rumor mill, but you can't put the fault on nintendo if their philosophy as a business doesn't align with your wants as a gamer, especially when they've not done anything to mislead people.

One of the few things that Nintendo has been upfront about is that they are not playing the power game. This is why it's incredibly frustrating when people keep trying to squeeze as much speculative horsepower out of the spotty NX details, and then act disappointed when Nintendo has been pretty clear that that is not the kind of product they are developing.

Making a complete value judgement on it at this point, especially without seeing things in motion, without seeing the software line up and the OS systems and all that, is like judging a violin purely on how it looks.

I know people are frustrated by Nintendo's radio silence on the NX, but one thing I learned from the E3 2016 Zelda reveal is how satisfying it can be to get so much new information at once, as opposed to a more fragmented dribble over a year. I imagine the reveal will be quite comprehensive and really make the NX into a substantial thing, instead of a hazy, slippery bundle of expectations.

 

[KrawlMan]

Honestly by 2020 I can see Nintendo having four or five hardware devices all targeting different audiences but running the same software at different levels.

This is what I want. Give me the choice and I might just buy in at several different products.

 

[baphomet]

Yes this is what I wanted and expect.

NX is essentially Nintendo's iOS. The handheld hybrid will be there first product (like an iPhone or iPod) and eventually there will be a home console (like iPad) and maybe even cheap 2DS fisher price tablets down the line for the price conscious.

Honestly by 2020 I can see Nintendo having four or five hardware devices all targeting different audiences but running the same software at different levels.

I don't know how people have come up with stuff like this.

You're going to be extremely disappointed.

 

[PantherLotus]

Yes this is what I wanted and expect.

NX is essentially Nintendo's iOS. The handheld hybrid will be there first product (like an iPhone or iPod) and eventually there will be a home console (like iPad) and maybe even cheap 2DS fisher price tablets down the line for the price conscious.

Honestly by 2020 I can see Nintendo having four or five hardware devices all targeting different audiences but running the same software at different levels.

Where are you getting this???

 

[maxcriden]

Heh, this thread is so funny.

Just the NX stuff in general.

Went from "This system will be powerful!" to "Somewhere between XBox One and PS4" to "Around Xbox One" to "2x Wii U" in power. It's funny as hell. Reading the reactions to this has been pretty entertaining, and I'll admit that I'll be a little disappointed if it's just 2x a Wii U.

Also, let's not forget the "it's not a hybrid, but two systems" to "it's a hybrid" to "it's just a portable with TV Out".

I have no idea where this system is going to fall, but the rollercoaster ride has been pretty fun. I wouldn't be surprised if the reveal ends up being a downer for a lot of people...myself included. Leave it to Nintendo to take all this hype for a product and dash it on the floor. This thread is equally funny as it is depressing. Heh, heh.

FWIW, I don't think there's any indication that it's "just a portable with a TV out." Besides the fact that many devkits have TV outs and it might not be in the final product, we know from the EG and related leaks that the dock exists and that it is a hybrid system. I guess my point is that I don't think the hybrid --> handheld with a TV out transition is necessarily a transition or has occurred. I hope that makes sense, I feel like I'm not articulating it very well.

 

[Sadist]

I don't know how people have come up with stuff like this.

You're going to be extremely disappointed.

Well, in their defense; when Iwata first talked about future hardware after 3DS/Wii U he did talk about a handheld and console systems that would be like "brothers". He also talked about iOS, it was something he admired. Enter the talks about a possible Nintendo OS working on several types of hardware.

With the current rumours regarding NX those ideas are thrown out of the window ofcourse.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Yes this is what I wanted and expect.

NX is essentially Nintendo's iOS. The handheld hybrid will be there first product (like an iPhone or iPod) and eventually there will be a home console (like iPad) and maybe even cheap 2DS fisher price tablets down the line for the price conscious.

Honestly by 2020 I can see Nintendo having four or five hardware devices all targeting different audiences but running the same software at different levels.

 

[optimiss]

Well, in their defense; when Iwata first talked about future hardware after 3DS/Wii U he did talk about a handheld and console systems that would be like "brothers". He also talked about iOS, it was something he admired. Enter the talks about a possible Nintendo OS working on several types of hardware.

With the current rumours regarding NX those ideas are thrown out of the window ofcourse.

Yep, he even said it was possible that we would see more variations of the NX platform than just a handheld and a home console.

 

[Matt]

Yes this is what I wanted and expect.

NX is essentially Nintendo's iOS. The handheld hybrid will be there first product (like an iPhone or iPod) and eventually there will be a home console (like iPad) and maybe even cheap 2DS fisher price tablets down the line for the price conscious.

Honestly by 2020 I can see Nintendo having four or five hardware devices all targeting different audiences but running the same software at different levels.

That's a nice vision.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Emily hasn't given her final thoughts yet?

 

[L Thammy]

Yes this is what I wanted and expect.

NX is essentially Nintendo's iOS. The handheld hybrid will be there first product (like an iPhone or iPod) and eventually there will be a home console (like iPad) and maybe even cheap 2DS fisher price tablets down the line for the price conscious.

Honestly by 2020 I can see Nintendo having four or five hardware devices all targeting different audiences but running the same software at different levels.

That's my guess as well - though I think four or five devices will only make sense when Nintendo is transitioning between generations. Their take on generationless hardware upgrades.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

I don't know how people have come up with stuff like this.

You're going to be extremely disappointed.

Just read his Tag and ignore

 

[Mpl90]

Emily hasn't given her final thoughts yet?

Emily Rogers ‏@ArcadeGirl64 3 h3 ore fa
@AAMARMO I'm talking to a few more people before I write anything. So there's no specific time at the moment.

So, she has yet to post.

 

[Rodin]

That's a nice vision.

4-5 devices sounds ridiculous, but... does this mean that we're stuck with the hybrid? I hoped at least a home console would come out by 2019 to target a different audience.

Sigh.

 

[AquaWateria]

I can't wait till its revealed that NX can transform into a Gundam. That will set Japan on fire.

That's true innovation...

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

So, she has yet to post.

I can't wait for the summation of what she's already said.