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[Doctre81]

All the bad battery life thing tells me is that is more powerful than probably previously thought. I expected mediocre battery life on this one to be honest.
Especially after using one of these...

 

[Vena]

I would assume it means less than what the 3DS has now. 3DS is about 5-7 hours with full screen brightness and 3D and wifi on.

So I guess by that metric the current device only lasts under 5 hours.

What? 3DS is like three hours under those conditions.

 

[phanphare]

I don't know why anyone would want to play the vast Breath of the Wild on a small portable.

what if it's a big portable?

 

[BY2K]

Look over there, it's Calamity Ganon

On a 6.2 inches screen?

EDIT: I think I'm missing context here.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Its just the Dev Kit right?

I imagine the final version will have improved efficiency?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

The lack of a camera on the controller has me 90% certain that the TV attachment is real and will be packaged with the unit. Perhaps that's where the "This feels like somewhat of a novelty" comment was about.

Of course it's real. Nintendo is not equipped to make separate home console and handheld devices anymore. It's also the rumor that almost everyone seems to agree on, including the WSJ, who talked about this a year ago.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Hell yeah man, Nintendo is gonna go ham. I still believe if the Wii U had had Splatoon and/or Mario Maker at launch, it would now compete with Xbox One sales. Which isn't terrific, but better than nohing. It simply lacked killer apps.

Looking like Nintendo is addressing this concern first and foremost though!

I know I can feel it. I love how pretty much nothing software wise has been leaked for the NX. That's where all the big excitement is going to come from.

I'm most excited to see Retros game. With all of Nintendos other developers you can make a pretty good guess at what they're making, but Retro there's no clue.

 

[blu]

All the bad battery life thing tells me is that is more powerful than probably previously thought.

Whereas what it should be telling you is that an X1 is not truly a mobile chip, yet they had to put something in those devkits, those buggers.

 

[ozfunghi]

Its just the Dev Kit right?

I imagine the final version will have improved efficiency?

Yes, likely. It's been rumored that the Pascal successor of the Tegra X1 which is in the devkit, is 60% more power efficient at the same performance. That also means it's going to get much less hot, and might not need a fan to cool. So remove the fan and replace the chip with one that is 60% more efficient and the battery will likely last a whole lot longer.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Because I prefer playing on handhelds. I don't know why some people have issues with others preferring to play on handhelds.

Good news for you then; the NX will be able to be held with your hands and taken and played anywhere.

 

[Maedhros]

On a 6.2 inches screen?

EDIT: I think I'm missing context here.

He probably owns a whole theater to play games. That's why 6.2 inches is small for him.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Lack of mic and camera is colossally stupid. That stuff is standard fare for any handheld media device, be it phone, tablet, laptop, handheld gaming device or what have you.

Stuff like AR gaming, proper voice chat or video calls are all going to be thrown out over the 2$ savings on components? I seriously doubt it. There has to be a very specific reason as to why it doesn't have a camera. Perhaps the design is so unconventional that there's simply no logical place to put one. Maybe there's just barely any bezel around the screen.

Because if the tablet is docked you won't have access to the screen.

No shit you wouldn't, because then you'd use an actual controller. There can be more than one control scheme.

 

[phanphare]

Good news for you then; the NX will be able to be held with your hands and taken and played anywhere.

what's the issue then?

 

[z0m3le]

That's not being fair, it's ignoring what he posted.
4-5 devices in 4 years.
No.
Oh yeah, no.
By the way, no.

Isn't that the same pace as 3ds, 3dsxl, 2ds, n3ds and n3dsxl? Throwing in console form factors, yeah sure... I can see it being possible.

 

[BDGAME]

Hmm, I really hope there are triggers. I assume Nintendo wont be silly enough to omit them after finally adding them to the n3DS.

What? New3DS has triggers?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

On a 6.2 inches screen?

EDIT: I think I'm missing context here.

You are.
Some argue for or about a smaller portable, I think it should be as big as reported because it's going to play full fledged console games.

 

[Doctre81]

Whereas what it should be telling you is that an X1 is not truly a mobile chip, yet they had to put something in those devkits, those buggers.

 

[phanphare]

What? New3DS has triggers?

not exactly, it's got 4 shoulder buttons

 

[LegendofLex]

No shit you wouldn't, because then you'd use an actual controller. There can be more than one control scheme.

It'd be really shitty if you had to buy an extra controller just to play the very first game Nintendo ever announced for the system.

It'll be playable both on the go and on the TV with what you get in the box, which means it'll have all the buttons needed and touch buttons are, like they are on Wii U where you can have access to a touch screen even when playing on the TV, not going to happen.

 

[Samemind]

It'd be really shitty if you had to buy an extra controller just to play the very first game Nintendo ever announced for the system.

It'll be playable both on the go and on the TV with what you get in the box, which means it'll have all the buttons needed and touch buttons are, like they are on Wii U, not going to happen.

Or the extra controller option is a pack-in

 

[LegendofLex]

Or the extra controller option is a pack-in

I find this obscenely unlikely, especially if they're billing the detachable controllers as a way to support multiplayer out of the box.

 

[th3sicknness]

Yes, likely. It's been rumored that the Pascal successor of the Tegra X1 which is in the devkit, is 60% more power efficient at the same performance. That also means it's going to get much less hot, and might not need a fan to cool. So remove the fan and replace the chip with one that is 60% more efficient and the battery will likely last a whole lot longer.

The question really is if this is a hybrid or full blown portable. It could be that the dev kits arent scaling down the clock speeds when it isnt land locked so they can program for the highest denominator to see its capabilities.

 

[AAMARMO]

I was thinking what NX box art covers would look like so i made this mock.

 

[Skittzo0413]

It'd be really shitty if you had to buy an extra controller just to play the very first game Nintendo ever announced for the system.

It'll be playable both on the go and on the TV with what you get in the box, which means it'll have all the buttons needed and touch buttons are, like they are on Wii U where you can have access to a touch screen even when playing on the TV, not going to happen.

Yeah this is essentially the entire point of detachable controllers. Play how you want with the same controllers right out of the box. It's not that hard of a concept to get.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Guess I'll wait for the first revision, if the battery concerns are in relation the their current offerings. No way am I suffering through another 3 hour OG 3DS battery.

 

[th3sicknness]

It'd be really shitty if you had to buy an extra controller just to play the very first game Nintendo ever announced for the system.

It'll be playable both on the go and on the TV with what you get in the box, which means it'll have all the buttons needed and touch buttons are, like they are on Wii U where you can have access to a touch screen even when playing on the TV, not going to happen.

There is a remote possibility they keep the pro controller as the main control option for the NX when it is docked.

 

[Hoo-doo]

It'd be really shitty if you had to buy an extra controller just to play the very first game Nintendo ever announced for the system.

It'll be playable both on the go and on the TV with what you get in the box, which means it'll have all the buttons needed and touch buttons are, like they are on Wii U where you can have access to a touch screen even when playing on the TV, not going to happen.

I could easily see it happen, especially if NX is sold primarily as a handheld.
They could also include a 'proper' controller in the box, or simply adapt the control scheme to the detached NX controllers.

Nothing you're saying is damning enough to erase any kind of doubt either way.

 

[MacTag]

There is a remote possibility they keep the pro controller as the main control option for the NX when it is docked.

Probably not if those scroll wheels are a thing. They could do a new NX Pro Controller though.

 

[Branduil]

It's far more likely the NX has more control inputs than less, the current controls for BotW certainly hint at that with the weird item switching.

 

[BDGAME]

I like the idea of this mock-up with the shoulder buttons on top and bottom. The plastic and toy-ish look is not my thing though.

(Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/50ta34/thought_you_guys_might_like_a_little_concept/)

This is my favorite mock-up until now.

 

[phanphare]

Guess I'll wait for the first revision, if the battery concerns are in relation the their current offerings. No way am I suffering through another 3 hour OG 3DS battery.

that should change with the final version considering the x1 is what is supposedly in the dev kits and that's not what is rumored to be in the final version

 

[Skittzo0413]

There is a remote possibility they keep the pro controller as the main control option for the NX when it is docked.

I could easily see it happen, especially if NX is sold primarily as a handheld.
They could also include a 'proper' controller in the box, or simply adapt the control scheme to the detached NX controllers.

Nothing you're saying is damning enough to erase any kind of doubt either way.

If they release another controller for docked play, then what the hell is the point of the detachable controllers?

It's really not hard to get- these detachable controllers (edit: one held in each hand) will have all the inputs you need for BotW and all other games for both portable (attached) and docked (detached) play... it's actually a very elegant solution. Why would they be detachable if Nintendo wants you to use another controller when the screen is docked?

 

[casey_contra]

If they release another controller for docked play, then what the hell is the point of the detachable controllers?

It's really not hard to get- these detachable controllers (edit: one held in each hand) will have all the inputs you need for BotW and all other games for both portable (attached) and docked (detached) play... it's actually a very elegant solution. Why would they be detachable if Nintendo wants you to use another controller when the screen is docked?

Ugh, I LOVE SPLIT CONTROLLERS. I hope that this is the case. I've said a few times that being able to detach on like a plane or in bed and still use the small screen could be so awesome.

Separate comment - I hope the micro USB nature of the NES Mini is a sign of things to come in the NX power supply...

 

[Skittzo0413]

Ugh, I LOVE SPLIT CONTROLLERS. I hope that this is the case. I've said a few times that being able to detach on like a plane or in bed and still use the small screen could be so awesome.

Separate comment - I hope the micro USB nature of the NES Mini is a sign of things to come in the NX power supply...

Yes, this is exactly what I'm excited about. It's potentially a split control scheme where both controllers communicate wirelessly and both controllers include full motion controls in addition to 4 face buttons, clickable analogs/circle pads, shoulder buttons and triggers. As long as they nail the ergonomics so that it's not a chore to use the right analog/circle pad then it honestly sounds like it could be the best control scheme ever created to me.

 

[Aostia]

I still.think that the unexpected support showed yesterday for 3ds through '17 hides something about nx we are not seeing

 

[Dystify]

I was thinking what NX box art covers would look like so i made this mock.

That looks fine, but I'm thinking they will look more like this:

(I edited your image to make a joke about how Nintendo only gets games like these from 3rd parties.)

 

[th3sicknness]

If they release another controller for docked play, then what the hell is the point of the detachable controllers?

It's really not hard to get- these detachable controllers (edit: one held in each hand) will have all the inputs you need for BotW and all other games for both portable (attached) and docked (detached) play... it's actually a very elegant solution. Why would they be detachable if Nintendo wants you to use another controller when the screen is docked?

The detachable controllers could be for anything.. Hell it could be to let you customize your layout of buttons.. It could be that the NX can be used as a tablet when controllers arent attached... It could be to replace the buttons or joystick if they break because the 3ds had a really shitty way to replace parts.

What if both snap off and attach to each other and stretch out to the width of a normal controller without the screen when docked (I guess that would be an alt to pro controller).

 

[LegendofLex]

There is a remote possibility they keep the pro controller as the main control option for the NX when it is docked.

I could easily see it happen, especially if NX is sold primarily as a handheld.
They could also include a 'proper' controller in the box, or simply adapt the control scheme to the detached NX controllers.

Nothing you're saying is damning enough to erase any kind of doubt either way.

I don't see why they'd bother to require some kind of separate controller when the two detachable controllers could easily sport a stick, four face buttons, and two shoulder buttons each, plus gyro - just like either side of the Wii U GamePad.

You'd be able to just pull the core unit out, put it on the dock, and keep playing with the same controller - just on a different screen. Really slick concept, and requiring another controller even for single-player games would muddy that concept dramatically.

Yeah this is essentially the entire point of detachable controllers. Play how you want with the same controllers right out of the box. It's not that hard of a concept to get.

 

[Plinko]

Of course it's real. Nintendo is not equipped to make separate home console and handheld devices anymore. It's also the rumor that almost everyone seems to agree on, including the WSJ, who talked about this a year ago.

Not the TV dock.

The TV attachment from the patent that attaches to the top of the TV and changes it to a 3D screen.

 

[CronoShot]

I do like the idea of a red box. Not only does it obviously go well with Nintendo's logo, but it's a nice contrast to the blue and green of PS4 and XB1 boxes.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Not the TV dock.

The TV attachment from the patent that attaches to the top of the TV and changes it to a 3D screen.

ooooooooooh

Yeah, no, I don't see that happening. Maybe as some sort of optional add-on.

 

[casey_contra]

Yes, this is exactly what I'm excited about. It's potentially a split control scheme where both controllers communicate wirelessly and both controllers include full motion controls in addition to 4 face buttons, clickable analogs/circle pads, shoulder buttons and triggers. As long as they nail the ergonomics so that it's not a chore to use the right analog/circle pad then it honestly sounds like it could be the best control scheme ever created to me.

Agreed. My only concern would be things being close together enough vertically so that I wouldn't have to rearrange my hand to press certain buttons because you can't lift one hand completely off the controller.

Edit: For example, games where the d-pad under the left stick is used to change weapons or the like.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Agreed. My only concern would be things being close together enough vertically so that I wouldn't have to rearrange my hand to press certain buttons because you can't lift one hand completely off the controller.

I think it would need to have a diagonally offset arrangement, so these controllers wouldn't look rectangular like wiimotes. I certainly think it's doable to make it comfortable and natural, just like a standard controller.

I'm picturing something like the Wii U pro controller but split in half... since the motion controllers no longer need IR receivers and don't need to look like remotes, you can have them with a standard grip arrangement, standard diagonally offset controls yet physically separated from each other. That's what I'm hoping for.

 

[Clefargle]

Look over there, it's Calamity Ganon

Lololol

Christ you got me

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Lol the no camera/mic is probably a dev kit thing.

QR codes, AR, voice chat, etc. Nintendo will have these in its product.

 

[casey_contra]

I think it would need to have a diagonally offset arrangement, so these controllers wouldn't look rectangular like wiimotes. I certainly think it's doable to make it comfortable and natural, just like a standard controller.

I'm picturing something like the Wii U pro controller but split in half... since the motion controllers no longer need IR receivers and don't need to look like remotes, you can have them with a standard grip arrangement, standard diagonally offset controls yet physically separated from each other. That's what I'm hoping for.

Yeah, I may be putting too much stock in the mockups and design of the Wii Remote. I could see it working similarly to the Pro split in half, but then the issue becomes making it comfortable at the thinness required for a handheld. Then again, I find the SNES quite comfortable.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

I wonder how many games will actually be designed around an improved wiimotes control scheme. I mean the portable aspect of the system would sure mean the standard control scheme has to be accommodated for every game which limits that.

I've actually always wanted an improved wiimote control scheme with added buttons and 2 analog sticks. The pointer alone is soooooo good.

 

[Father_Brain]

Yeah this is essentially the entire point of detachable controllers. Play how you want with the same controllers right out of the box. It's not that hard of a concept to get.

This is actually my biggest qualm about the system as described. Detachable controllers seem like they'll add significantly to the cost and likely compromise ergonomics as well, and for the sake of something that I just don't think is that compelling a selling point in 2017.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Yeah, I may be putting too much stock in the mockups and design of the Wii Remote. I could see it working similarly to the Pro split in half, but then the issue becomes making it comfortable at the thinness required for a handheld. Then again, I find the SNES quite comfortable.

Yup, this is the design challenge here. I find Nintendo makes very comfortable controllers, yet their portables aren't great for me, so I'm hoping they don't worry about the thickness of the control portions all that much. I really am not putting much stock into the devkit dimensions/design at this point because that's something I could see Nintendo wanting to save for a reveal. Then the post-reveal devkits would have the finalized designs.

I wonder how many games will actually be designed around an improved wiimotes control scheme. I mean the portable aspect of the system would sure mean the standard control scheme has to be accommodated for every game which limits that.

I've actually always wanted an improved wiimote control scheme with added buttons and 2 analog sticks. The pointer alone is soooooo good.

Well, consider that the controllers an still have motion functionality when connected to the portable, much like the Wii U gamepad. You won't have independent Wii motion + controls, but you'll have Splatoon-esque gyro controls.

This is actually my biggest qualm about the system as described. Detachable controllers seem like they'll add significantly to the cost and likely compromise ergonomics as well, and for the sake of something that I just don't think is that compelling a selling point in 2017.

I'm curious why you think they'd add so much to the cost. The connectors can't be expensive at all- really the only part which could add much to the cost is the batteries in each remote, but you'd need batteries in a traditional controller anyway.

As far as ergonomics, I'm gonna wait until the reveal to judge that. I very much doubt they will look like wiimotes when all is said and done.

 

[Peltz]

I bet they announce this thing in a direct with a quick trailer of a person sitting in the living room playing <insert game here> on the couch... Then a buddy messages him in game and tells him hes grabbing a bite to eat.. Person gets off the couch pulls the NX off a dock and meets his friend in line to get food and continues playing the same game. After they are done they go to a friends house and play the same game local multiplayer.

After this trailer is done Reggie and or Bill appears on screen and briefly states 1 device on 1 platform then throws out some slogan like "At home or on the go you decide what's Next".

After which screen fades out and shows a montage of games in development with gameplay.

Damn. Sounds great.